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Re: Firefox 63 beta 64 and windows 7 64 not working again

 

Reguardless of what they say, firefox is crap.

Simply that they deem accessibility could be a security risk and will slow things down is my main reason not to trust mozilla anymore.

The only reason I use thunderbird is that I don't need to access the addons interface which is flat out crap and inaccessible but I don't need it.

New firefox is crap and will always have a bad reputation in my books.

Waterfox 56 seems to adopt both classic and new tech, and as long as we users can get the scripts for it it will be good.

There are a few downsides to it though.

The first is because of firefox 60 and up we will not get any more new addons ever for it and will have to run older versions of addons for ever.

Depending on what those are it may not matter in most cases, noscript works as it always has, nav sounds, privacy badger, and https everywhere just work and its all I really give a damn about.

I'd like it in ccleaner but as I have set it to never remember my history at all well who knows.

Its also not secured as often or updated as often, trying to stay as close to the esr versions as it can.

Right now its still showing firefox 56.

The authors say that it will eventually have to change and its getting rewritten and also that there is an addon store coming.

The users are happy though and I suspect the dev is taking his sweet time about any real change and is in no hurry.

If you really want a secure as up to date program waterfox is probably not for you chrome is good, though they have their own issue.

If you can stomach firefox then its your best bet to continue I guess.

But if like me you just want the same old net to work, waterfox just does that.

No tracking etc.

Ofcause you loose things like extra shields by default, and a few other things like internal app updates, and autoupdates by mozilla updaters.

It does update itself so I don't think that matters.

On 10/16/2018 9:35 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Anyone tried Firefox 63 beta 64bit on windows 7?; I cannot get anything to read on the screens; it just says unknown.; Is this a bug in the Firefox beta?; If somebody could test other than myself then if it is; have a poke at Mozilla.; 62.03 seems to work fine here which is why I was concerned. I had to do a system restore in case the reason it fails is that its messed with the registry somehow.; Remember its windows 7 64. I am still keeping waterfox as default due to it having system sound capability. its about time Firefox built these in to their browser as well.; Brian


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Re: More info just released via Ars Technica on Winamp

 

Well winamp 5.8 will be the same as old winamp v6 is supposed to be a bit different

They are going to try again, but saying that, its for the win10 compatability and other things.

I suspect that winamp 5.666 will continue, for as long as there are users.

winampheritage.com according to howtogeek has managed to get somehow most of the old winamp databases, so for those that care they will get.

Of course there is the question of who actually makes plugins for winamp that are updated.

Often or not I'd get winamp crashing, or winamp needing to send an error to microsoft.

When that happened, I had to copy out all the plugins, put in the plugins that were not dangerous and progress up noting down plugins that did not work.

Eventually I'd have to search the net to update those.

Would be nice if there was a central database of plugins or at least a way for developers to have autocheck for plugin updates.

In miranda ng for example I have only had some crashes because of database errors and the sort and usually its good on implimenting them.

If it starts and something doesn't work it will update if one thing exists.

If it crashes and I restart it there is usually an update for what ever things are.

In fact it happily will update itself.

The good thing is as long as they don't clobber the classic skin and as long as they keep the conventions for plugins and as long as they don't change their interface to much and as long as we have coppies of the winamp configs as they were in 5.666 we won't have to bother that much.

Even if they change things, as long as they use plugins for the changes we can clobber the stuff we don't want.

For example the midi plugin in winamp 5 is utter crap!

Someone pulled a version from winamp 2 which works better, its probably out of date and bad as hell but who gives a damn.

I get midi volume back and it works.

However for those of us using pro features you may want to hold off updating winamp as all pro features will be removed for ever.

The only thing is that winamp will be going back to its free roots.

Radiognome want  have shoutcast, and not winamp really.

Saying that they seem to want to put it in prime spot to compete with apple and itunes.

An unsetelling thing though is that one of the devs that has his twitter account on winamp has not updated it for ages.

Winamp's twitter is locked, the update will come on the 18th of october 5.8 at least and the new version is next year.

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Let us hope its not just winamp in name only then.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 9:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] More info just released via Ars Technica on Winamp


http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/10/winamp-set-to-release-entirely-new-version-next-year/


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Firefox 63 beta 64 and windows 7 64 not working again

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Anyone tried Firefox 63 beta 64bit on windows 7?; I cannot get anything to read on the screens; it just says unknown.; Is this a bug in the Firefox beta?; If somebody could test other than myself then if it is; have a poke at Mozilla.; 62.03 seems to work fine here which is why I was concerned. I had to do a system restore in case the reason it fails is that its messed with the registry somehow.; Remember its windows 7 64. I am still keeping waterfox as default due to it having system sound capability. its about time Firefox built these in to their browser as well.; Brian


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Re: More info just released via Ars Technica on Winamp

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Let us hope its not just winamp in name only then.
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 9:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] More info just released via Ars Technica on Winamp


http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/10/winamp-set-to-release-entirely-new-version-next-year/


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Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

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This then explains why my sighed colleagues think I'm winding them up on the studio machine when they turn on and the screen is upside down. Pity there is no lock screen orientation in Windows!
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key combination to change screen orientation


the windows key combination is ctrl+alt+up or down arrow. since it is
the sa shortcut for table navigation in NVDA, you press insert+f2 then
press ctrl+alt+up arrow.

On 10/16/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:
Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to
flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been
inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM




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PASTEL AND NVDA

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Does Pastel work with NVDA?

 

Many companies in South Africa use Pastel for financial accounting and book keeping.  Therefore, it would be a benefit if NVDA did work with Pastel.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

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Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

 

I didn't know this function, without doubt it'll help me a lot!
Thanks!
Em 16/10/2018 02:46, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Laurie,

You may have noticed by now, that the initial NVDA + F2 would have saved you the bother of unloading NVDA and reloading it again after correcting the rotation.
I had not realised that the key pass through action was needed as I often have to correct the orientation of my screen when I look for sighted assistance. Glad to know it now!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key combination to change screen orientation

I've got it, but thanks anyway.

Here's what happened...
The orientation of my screen got flipped inadvertently-- not a problem for me but a problem for sighted onlookers.
NVDA continued to work just fine while the orientation had the screen upside down.
The combination control+alt+up arrow was not working to flip the screen orientation back to normal.
Then I re-booted the laptop thinking this would set things back to normal, but it did not.
So, I unloaded NVDA and then used control+alt+up arrow and that did the trick making the screen return to the normal orientation. I re-started NVDA after that.

This laptop is running Windows 7 and my NVDA is the most recent regular release. Strange.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/15/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:

Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM






Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Laurie,

You may have noticed by now, that the initial NVDA + F2 would have saved you the bother of unloading NVDA and reloading it again after correcting the rotation.

I had not realised that the key pass through action was needed as I often have to correct the orientation of my screen when I look for sighted assistance. Glad to know it now!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key combination to change screen orientation

I've got it, but thanks anyway.

Here's what happened...
The orientation of my screen got flipped inadvertently-- not a problem for me but a problem for sighted onlookers.
NVDA continued to work just fine while the orientation had the screen upside down.
The combination control+alt+up arrow was not working to flip the screen orientation back to normal.
Then I re-booted the laptop thinking this would set things back to normal, but it did not.
So, I unloaded NVDA and then used control+alt+up arrow and that did the trick making the screen return to the normal orientation. I re-started NVDA after that.

This laptop is running Windows 7 and my NVDA is the most recent regular release. Strange.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/15/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:

Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM


Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Laurie Mehta
 

Thanks very much Lino, Brian, and Aravind. (smile)
--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/15/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:

I've got it, but thanks anyway.
Here's what happened...
The orientation of my screen got flipped inadvertently-- not a problem for me but a problem for sighted onlookers.
NVDA continued to work just fine while the orientation had the screen upside down.
The combination control+alt+up arrow was not working to flip the screen orientation back to normal.
Then I re-booted the laptop thinking this would set things back to normal, but it did not.
So, I unloaded NVDA and then used control+alt+up arrow and that did the trick making the screen return to the normal orientation. I re-started NVDA after that.
This laptop is running Windows 7 and my NVDA is the most recent regular release. Strange.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/15/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:
Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM


Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Laurie Mehta
 

I've got it, but thanks anyway.

Here's what happened...
The orientation of my screen got flipped inadvertently-- not a problem for me but a problem for sighted onlookers.
NVDA continued to work just fine while the orientation had the screen upside down.
The combination control+alt+up arrow was not working to flip the screen orientation back to normal.
Then I re-booted the laptop thinking this would set things back to normal, but it did not.
So, I unloaded NVDA and then used control+alt+up arrow and that did the trick making the screen return to the normal orientation. I re-started NVDA after that.

This laptop is running Windows 7 and my NVDA is the most recent regular release. Strange.
--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/15/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:

Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM


Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Aravind R
 

the windows key combination is ctrl+alt+up or down arrow. since it is
the sa shortcut for table navigation in NVDA, you press insert+f2 then
press ctrl+alt+up arrow.

On 10/16/18, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...> wrote:
Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to
flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been
inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM




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--
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r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

 

It has been said that CTRL+ALT+UP ARROW (or one of the arrow keys, depending on what the orientation currently is and how it's flipped) will work, but they don't on my Windows 10 system

If you're running Windows 10 I would suggest that you go to Settings, System, Display Pane then find the Orientation dropdown and choose "Landscape" from the choices, as virtually all monitors and laptop screens are set to show a screen that's wider than it is tall, and that's Landscape.  I just played with both Portrait options and both Landscape options and straight Landscape (not flipped Landscape) is "the normal screen."

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Re: Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi Lori. Alt CTRL and NVDA key plus left arrow to get to portrait and same key combo with down arrow to change to landscape.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io <lauriemehta@...>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 8:58:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows key combination to change screen orientation
 
Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM




Windows key combination to change screen orientation

Laurie Mehta
 

Could one of you please remind me what is the key combination in Windows to flip the screen back to its normal orientation after it had been inadvertently turned upside down?
Thanks very much! (smile)
-LM


Re: Microsoft word question

Richard Wells
 

Easiest way to read status line in any application that has one is NVDA-KEY+END.


On 10/14/2018 2:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
See the topic, word count in MS word document, in the JAWS for Windows group for a discussion of several different ways to get to the status bar.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 



Re: AttributeError: 'IAccessible' object has no attribute 'UIAElement'

bering.p
 

Hi,
Not with NVDA 2018.2.1 version installed.
Cheers.
Paul.
Le 15/10/2018 19:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Does this occur on an installed copy?
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] AttributeError: 'IAccessible' object has no attribute 
'UIAElement'


Hi,
Just to  signal the error I noted in log viewer.
Thanks to create a ticket if this error  is not only on my PC.
W10 32 bits, NVDA 2018.3.2 and last NVDA alpha.
Sep to reproduce:
Just Open peripherals's  manager.

The log:

INFO - __main__ (12:01:24.657):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:01:24.954):
Config dir: F:\documents\Paulo\temp\nvda 2018.3.2\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:01:24.954):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.167):
NVDA version 2018.3.2
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.167):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.167):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) 
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.167):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.259):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (12:01:25.407):
Touch only supported on installed copies
setSynth
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:01:25.831):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:01:25.980):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:01:25.980):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:01:25.986):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (12:01:25.986):
Using liblouis version 3.6.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:01:25.990):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (12:01:26.065):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:01:26.076):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (12:01:27.092):
Touch only supported on installed copies
INFO - core.main (12:01:27.092):
NVDA initialized
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects 
(12:01:35.803):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects 
(12:01:50.615):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects 
(12:01:53.895):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects 
(12:02:05.556):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole 
(12:02:10.832):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Param\xe8tre incorrect.', (None, None, 
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (12:02:10.867):
error executing event: gainFocus on 
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysTreeView32.BrokenCommctrl5Item object at 
0x04024710> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus
  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 496, in _get_container
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysTreeView32.pyo", line 261, in 
_get_parent
AttributeError: 'IAccessible' object has no attribute 'UIAElement'

Cheers.
Paul.











Re: NVDA and bit locker

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

brian
its an incription feature used to protect drives from hackers
this one i am speaking about, deals with a bit locker at the log on screen before the sign in screen

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and bit locker


Well since nobody seems to have actually replied. What exactly is a bitlocker in the context of what you mean here. IE more details please then somebody might reply. I know of bitlocker codes, but have no knowledge of any ways to use them myself.
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and bit locker


hi all
how does one navigate a bit locker? and is NVDA accessible with it?
thanks

kerryn






More info just released via Ars Technica on Winamp

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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/10/winamp-set-to-release-entirely-new-version-next-year/

 

 

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Re: accessible Medium desktop client

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Are you saying that there is now way to publish if you already have a file created offline?
That seems to be a little odd to me.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] accessible Medium desktop client


I've been on the hunt for a desktop application that would hook into the
API. why? well, because it is a really great way for writers,
independent writers, to create their own content and get paid for it.
The below is the closest thing I could find. I've been told it's very
accessible on the Mac, but I have no idea personally. I'm sharing this
here just in case anyone would know of someone remotely interested in
creating a windows version. Publishing through Google docs works very
well, but I like writing offline, without a browser open.


https://github.com/sivahq/mediumdesk




Re: NVDA and bit locker

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Well since nobody seems to have actually replied. What exactly is a bitlocker in the context of what you mean here. IE more details please then somebody might reply. I know of bitlocker codes, but have no knowledge of any ways to use them myself.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and bit locker


hi all
how does one navigate a bit locker? and is NVDA accessible with it?
thanks

kerryn