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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

I realize this is the NVDA group, but for anyone here who also uses Narrator and considers it a bug that a screen reader would not read an Excel cell formatted as a number based on its actual value, not how it displays, I've created feedback about that.

If you feel like upvoting and/or adding comments, see:  https://aka.ms/AA2ycm9
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Thanks, Brian. I was hoping I was just missing something. Nuts.


Mary



On 10/17/2018 3:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Mary,

             I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read "negative" along with the number when this formatting is used.  It is one of the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting.  The display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it comes to what gets read.

             As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug.  That being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 



Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Hi,

Fixing this will require looking at not only what accessibility API’s say, but also the object model for Excel and possible variations across Excel releases (made a bit complicated these days thanks to Office 365 and Office 2016/2019 transition).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Mary,

             I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read "negative" along with the number when this formatting is used.  It is one of the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting.  The display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it comes to what gets read.

             As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug.  That being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Mary,

             I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read "negative" along with the number when this formatting is used.  It is one of the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting.  The display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it comes to what gets read.

             As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug.  That being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


I have a spreadsheet, where negative numbers are denoted by the fact that they are written in red, rather than having a - before the number or having the number in parentheses, both of which I have seen in other contexts. Anyway, is there a way to have NVDA look for a specified color, in this case, red, and notify me when I have encountered a number in that color? It would be tedious to have to query each cell to see what color it is.


Mary


Re: NVDA with Links and Attachments

Gene
 

the program or web mail page you are using has nothing to do with this.  If you typae a link, the browser or web mail receiving the message and reading sees it as a link.  It's a function of the recipient's way of reading a message. 
 
I don't know anything about viewing an attachment as HTML using a web mail program.  You can Download the attachment and open it in the intended or compatible program.  If you can view it online while using Webmail, I can't address that. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Links and Attachments

Hi NVDA Group,

I have both Mozilla (older classic) version on my computer, probably
52 as well as Internet Explorer 10 as browser options. In my
profession, I need to view attachments, and it would be helpful to
view them as prepared rather than in HTML. I use GMail.

The questions are these:
1. In GMail, If I type in an internet address using Internet Explorer,
will it automatically become a link in the email? Is there a hot key
to do the same with Mozilla?
I read where Mozilla changed things so links add when an email arrives
at the receiving program at that program's discretion.
2.  Per attachments, how can I open an attachment in GMail with
Mozilla,as a totally blind user? The old method has not worked for a
good 2 years.
Or, is there an email service that would run like a Classic Google Version?
Thanks for advisement on both issues.

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Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also could not, not on chrome, firefox, safari, or edge. And this over 2 years of trying. I talked to the google srep that was at one of our conventions in 2014 and all I got were a horable pair of free headphones and a "we'll look into it."

On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:23, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I'd imagine it has to be Chrome, but to be honest. I could not get on with Google docs myself. Too laggy and awkward, but then, that might just be me! Brian

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Hi,

What wweb browser works best with google docs sheets and slides? Freedom scientific said to use firefox, but that document came out 3 or so years ago, so it may be a little outdated. NVDA and chrome seem to work good with google office, now. Or is the latest firefox still best?

Josh

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Re: Unable to read the edit field labels for the file properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Sorry David,

I did not understand what your problem was and went looking for the actual
edit fields.

Now I see what you mean! I agree with you that NVDA does not speak the
labels of the three editable Info fields when I tab to them. However, NVDA
does speak the labels of the author edit fields when I tab to them.

We could raise this as an issue on Github.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Apps
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to read the edit field labels for the file
properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Dear Cearbhall

Thank you very much for your message and for your suggestion. Interestingly,
those document formatting options were already selected. I tried clearing
them before selecting them again. I receive the same results in each
situation. Do you receive different results?

1. In Microsoft Word, open a document or create a new blank document.
2. Press Alt+F, I to open the file info page.
3. Press Tab. NVDA says "Protect Document grouping Protect Document Alt,
F, I, P".
4. Press Tab. NVDA says "Inspect Document grouping Before publishing this
file, be aware that it contains Check for Issues Alt, F, I, I".
5. Press Tab. NVDA says "Manage Document grouping Check out document or
recover unsaved changes. Manage Document Alt, F, I, R".
6. Press tab. NVDA says "Properties grouping Properties Alt, F, I, Q S".
7. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Title" before
this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
8. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Tags" before
this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
9. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit multi line blank". I expected it to say
"Comments" before this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.

I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 with Microsoft Windows 10 (64-bit) (Version
10.0.17134 Build 17134) and Microsoft Excel for Office 365 MSO
(16.0.10827.20118) (32-bit).

Thank you

David

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Re: Unable to read the edit field labels for the file properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

David,

Yes, I can replicate all of your points. In fact it was only really
necessary to tab between the groupings I then used the down-arrow to move to
each of the items in the same group. I got the same sequence as you did.

I also used tab as you specified and got the same results. However, I needed
to press tab to move from the info grouping to the properties grouping,
through the blank rows and next Itabbed to the autohr grouping.

I'm a bit lost! What are we looking for?

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Apps
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to read the edit field labels for the file
properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Dear Cearbhall

Thank you very much for your message and for your suggestion. Interestingly,
those document formatting options were already selected. I tried clearing
them before selecting them again. I receive the same results in each
situation. Do you receive different results?

1. In Microsoft Word, open a document or create a new blank document.
2. Press Alt+F, I to open the file info page.
3. Press Tab. NVDA says "Protect Document grouping Protect Document Alt,
F, I, P".
4. Press Tab. NVDA says "Inspect Document grouping Before publishing this
file, be aware that it contains Check for Issues Alt, F, I, I".
5. Press Tab. NVDA says "Manage Document grouping Check out document or
recover unsaved changes. Manage Document Alt, F, I, R".
6. Press tab. NVDA says "Properties grouping Properties Alt, F, I, Q S".
7. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Title" before
this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
8. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Tags" before
this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
9. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit multi line blank". I expected it to say
"Comments" before this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.

I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 with Microsoft Windows 10 (64-bit) (Version
10.0.17134 Build 17134) and Microsoft Excel for Office 365 MSO
(16.0.10827.20118) (32-bit).

Thank you

David

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Navigation issues in the Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications editor in Microsoft Office

David Apps
 

Dear Chris

Thank you for your message. Yes, before sending my message, I searched the archive and found a few messages describing that issue with VBA macro editing. I could not find an issue on fithub for it. Perhaps I did not use the correct search terms. It is an issue that I also used to have. Things seem much better in my current configuration. However, I am so used to doing most of my macro editing in Notepad that I often still do so, but it is good to have the choice, especially for quick changes. I hope that you will also have the choice one day soon.

Thank you

David

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 17 October 2018 11:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incorrect character count when selecting text in the Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications editor in Microsoft Office

Hi
I use VBA editor in office 2007 and have for a long time had navigation issues when using it with NVDA. When using arrow keys to navigate it will completely lose position within the macro code. It is so bad I have to code in Notepad then copy into the editor for syntax checking and testing. I have raised this issue on the list in the past but have had no responses.

Cheers
Chris
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NVDA with Links and Attachments

David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hi NVDA Group,

I have both Mozilla (older classic) version on my computer, probably
52 as well as Internet Explorer 10 as browser options. In my
profession, I need to view attachments, and it would be helpful to
view them as prepared rather than in HTML. I use GMail.

The questions are these:
1. In GMail, If I type in an internet address using Internet Explorer,
will it automatically become a link in the email? Is there a hot key
to do the same with Mozilla?
I read where Mozilla changed things so links add when an email arrives
at the receiving program at that program's discretion.
2. Per attachments, how can I open an attachment in GMail with
Mozilla,as a totally blind user? The old method has not worked for a
good 2 years.
Or, is there an email service that would run like a Classic Google Version?
Thanks for advisement on both issues.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Unable to read the edit field labels for the file properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

David Apps
 

Dear Cearbhall

Thank you very much for your message and for your suggestion. Interestingly, those document formatting options were already selected. I tried clearing them before selecting them again. I receive the same results in each situation. Do you receive different results?

1. In Microsoft Word, open a document or create a new blank document.
2. Press Alt+F, I to open the file info page.
3. Press Tab. NVDA says "Protect Document grouping Protect Document Alt, F, I, P".
4. Press Tab. NVDA says "Inspect Document grouping Before publishing this file, be aware that it contains Check for Issues Alt, F, I, I".
5. Press Tab. NVDA says "Manage Document grouping Check out document or recover unsaved changes. Manage Document Alt, F, I, R".
6. Press tab. NVDA says "Properties grouping Properties Alt, F, I, Q S".
7. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Title" before this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
8. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit blank". I expected it to say "Tags" before this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.
9. Press Tab. NVDA says "edit multi line blank". I expected it to say "Comments" before this. I can press NVDA+Numpad 8 to obtain the label.

I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 with Microsoft Windows 10 (64-bit) (Version 10.0.17134 Build 17134) and Microsoft Excel for Office 365 MSO (16.0.10827.20118) (32-bit).

Thank you

David

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Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides

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I'd imagine it has to be Chrome, but to be honest. I could not get on with Google docs myself. Too laggy and awkward, but then, that might just be me!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides


Hi,

What wweb browser works best with google docs sheets and slides? Freedom scientific said to use firefox, but that document came out 3 or so years ago, so it may be a little outdated. NVDA and chrome seem to work good with google office, now. Or is the latest firefox still best?

Josh


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Re: Problem with "NVDA+ numPad5" twice

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Well I see no error even on a portable version of nvda. I'm not sure what logging level you are on and why you are using a portable version as I find that in Windows10, portable copies of nvda are becomeing increasingly unusable due to many accessibility bits being only open to an installed program with the right permissions.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "bering.p" <bering.p@wanadoo.fr>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with "NVDA+ numPad5" twice


Thanks for your reply.
That's ocurs with VLC multimedia player v3.0.
Cheers.

Paul.

Le 17/10/2018 17:09, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

No, you need to add NVDA key to the mix.

In case of the error at hand: what exactly were you doing when the
error happened (as in which program/control you were working with)?

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Csercsics
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:16 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problem with "NVDA+ numPad5" twice

I get no errors here. Pressing numpad 5 twice quickly spells the
current word as expected.




Re: Incorrect character count when selecting text in the Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications editor in Microsoft Office

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Yes an interestingly revealing number that!
I wonder what happens in a 64 bit system?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incorrect character count when selecting text in the Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications editor in Microsoft Office


You're not doing something wrong and that does look like the kind of thing
you could report. I can replicate it as well and so I've submitted the
issue to our GitHub here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8851 Do
feel free to subscribe for updates, or comment to the issue if you've got
more info.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 6:26 PM David Apps <david.apps@rnaanalytics.com>
wrote:

I hope that you are having a great day.



I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 with Microsoft Windows 10 (64-bit) (Version
10.0.17134 Build 17134) and Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications 7.1 in
Microsoft Excel for Office 365 MSO (16.0.10827.20118) (32-bit).



When I edit a Microsoft Excel macro in the Microsoft Visual Basic for
Applications editor and select some text using Ctrl+A or Shift+Page Down or
Shift+Page Up, I find that the maximum number of characters that NVDA
reports as selected is 1023. NVDA reports "1023 characters selected" even
when more than 1023 characters have been selected. Am I doing something
wrong or does this seem like a bug that I should report?



Thank you



David


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NVDA and eclipse

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

Hello guys!
I am having several problems with the eclipse and NVDA.
I am programming in java language, and when I open the program, NVDA
is unable to put the focus in the program.
When I go with alt+tab and I press NvDA+t, he speaks only explorer.
It's as if NvDA is not able to interact with it, but in fact, if I
type something still works.
Another problem I have are the on-screen messages and dialogs question
NVDA can't read.
Any idea?
I have already enabled the java access bridge by painéu control, and I'm
using the jdk 8 32-bit, along with the eclipse 32-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2
and windows 10 64-bit.
What do you do?
Sorry for my english.


Re: Anoying repeating message while in FastMail

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I've not used it, but it sounds to me like it has the focus every time the time is changed. I wonder, in that software is the a way to hide the time display?
I do not think that fast mail is supported by nvda. Is it web based or a client?
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Anoying repeating message while in FastMail


Hi all, in case someone use the FastMail service, I'd like to know if it's possible to make NVDA not speak repeatedly the time since the opened message has arrived.

Thanks,
Cleverson


Re: Firefox 63 beta 64 and windows 7 64 not working again

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Not sure what you are talking about. I'm just saying that nvda is not working on that version here. That is a fact, and I was as annoyed as you about the way the thread went, but it was to some extent relevant to nvda, but not to the issue at hand!
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 63 beta 64 and windows 7 64 not working again


Sorry, can all those unrelated nonsense discussion move to somewhere else?
I have problem following the core discussion here.

I here tested out Firefox beta 63 64bit on portableapps.com on my win 7 64 bit and everything seemed go fine.






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Yes this is your opinion, but it does not really add to the conversation of, is the new version broken or not on windows 7. 62 works fine here but not in its 32 bit guise as that too fails to be accessible on web pages.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 63 beta 64 and windows 7 64 not working again


Reguardless of what they say, firefox is crap.

Simply that they deem accessibility could be a security risk and will slow things down is my main reason not to trust mozilla anymore.

The only reason I use thunderbird is that I don't need to access the addons interface which is flat out crap and inaccessible but I don't need it.

New firefox is crap and will always have a bad reputation in my books.

Waterfox 56 seems to adopt both classic and new tech, and as long as we users can get the scripts for it it will be good.

There are a few downsides to it though.

The first is because of firefox 60 and up we will not get any more new addons ever for it and will have to run older versions of addons for ever.

Depending on what those are it may not matter in most cases, noscript works as it always has, nav sounds, privacy badger, and https everywhere just work and its all I really give a damn about.

I'd like it in ccleaner but as I have set it to never remember my history at all well who knows.

Its also not secured as often or updated as often, trying to stay as close to the esr versions as it can.

Right now its still showing firefox 56.

The authors say that it will eventually have to change and its getting rewritten and also that there is an addon store coming.

The users are happy though and I suspect the dev is taking his sweet time about any real change and is in no hurry.

If you really want a secure as up to date program waterfox is probably not for you chrome is good, though they have their own issue.

If you can stomach firefox then its your best bet to continue I guess.

But if like me you just want the same old net to work, waterfox just does that.

No tracking etc.

Ofcause you loose things like extra shields by default, and a few other things like internal app updates, and autoupdates by mozilla updaters.

It does update itself so I don't think that matters.





On 10/16/2018 9:35 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Anyone tried Firefox 63 beta 64bit on windows 7?; I cannot get anything to read on the screens; it just says unknown.; Is this a bug in the Firefox beta?; If somebody could test other than myself then if it is; have a poke at Mozilla.; 62.03 seems to work fine here which is why I was concerned. I had to do a system restore in case the reason it fails is that its messed with the registry somehow.; Remember its windows 7 64. I am still keeping waterfox as default due to it having system sound capability. its about time Firefox built these in to their browser as well.; Brian


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NVDA and the updated Codefactory

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I have a quick question.
After updating to the latest version of the Eloquence and Vocalizer addon, I noticed a type of voice labeled imbedded pro. However, there doesn't seem to be a difference in imbedded pro and imbedded high. Can anyone clear this up?


Re: Problem with "NVDA+ numPad5" twice

bering.p
 

Thanks for your reply.
That's ocurs with VLC multimedia player v3.0.
Cheers.
Paul.
Le 17/10/2018 17:09, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

No, you need to add NVDA key to the mix.

In case of the error at hand: what exactly were you doing when the error happened (as in which program/control you were working with)?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with "NVDA+ numPad5" twice

 

I get no errors here. Pressing numpad 5 twice quickly spells the current word as expected.