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Re: Some applications take a long time to close

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you tried with nvda closed? That is close nvda then close winword.exe?

On 18 Oct 2018, at 0:08, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I'm sure all versions of Winword used to just close quickly but on the current stable NVDA, at least there does seem to often be a several second delay before anything happens after the alt/F4.
I looked at the log, but really was no wiser other than watchdog for core frozen in stack was happening.

IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.654):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'bowling cancelled.doc - Microsoft Word']
IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.716):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'multi line']
IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.755):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'page 1 section 1', u'end.']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:52:56.746):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:52:56.786):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 4391520, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (07:52:57.292):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 508, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 478, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 657, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 357, in isUIAWindow
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 345, in _isUIAWindowHelper

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.run (07:52:57.592):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 478, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 657, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 357, in isUIAWindow
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 351, in _isUIAWindowHelper
File "watchdog.pyo", line 195, in sendMessageCallCanceller
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1632 (dwm.exe) (07:53:01.897):
Thread 4180, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1632 (dwm.exe) (07:53:01.898):
Thread 4180, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.019):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown']
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:53:02.119):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 1770350, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unspecified error
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:53:02.151):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 3474190, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (07:53:02.164):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.454):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'(No Subject) - Unicode (UTF-8)']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.460):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'read only multi line']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.467):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'selected 1245 characters']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:53:05.035):
Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+r
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (07:53:05.091):
application winword closed
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.107):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Taskbar']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.198):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'reboot nvda with log terminal']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.198):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'80 space', u'blank']
INFO - core.main (07:53:05.374):
Exiting


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Re: NVDA and eclipse

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

the java 8 32 bit is compatible with NVDA and access bridge, or I have
to install java 7?

2018-10-17 17:51 GMT-03:00, David Apps <david.apps@rnaanalytics.com>:

Dear Diego Ricardo Matos

Thank you for your message.

I have never used Eclipse, so I might be adding nothing helpful, sorry.

The page at the following address recommends installing both the 64-bit and
the 32-bit versions of the Java runtime environment on 64-bit Microsoft
Windows. I do not know whether this will help you, because the reason that
the page gives sounds as if it will not help you.

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/access/enable_and_test.html

" It is recommend[ed] that you install both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions
of the JRE. The 32-bit version only adds support for 32-bit assistive
technology, and the 64-bit version only adds support for 64-bit assistive
technology."

Have you tried any other Java application to confirm that the Java Access
Bridge is working properly? This page suggests using the SwingSet2.jar
application, which you can find in either jdk-8u191-windows-i586-demos.zip
or jdk-8u191-windows-x64-demos.zip available on the page at the following
address:

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html

When you have extracted the files in the zip archive, you should find the
SwingSet2 application: demo\jfc\SwingSet2\SwingSet2.jar

I sent a message to this list less than 24 hours ago describing the behavior
I experienced with the SwingSet2 application. Perhaps that would be useful
to you.

However, if you already know that the Java Access Bridge is working with
another Java Swing application, you need not worry about SwingSet2 at all.

I hope that this helps, but remember, I have never used Eclipse, so I might
be unintentionally wasting your time.

Thank you

David

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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Your understanding is correct, Brian. I don’t want to use a filter. I don’t want to see numbers in isolation. I simply want to be able to read this document and know if the number I am looking at is negative or not. This doesn’t seem like it should be rocket science, but apparently it is.
Mary



On Oct 18, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Unless I'm misunderstanding Mary Otten's original post, the issue is not really with finding anything, but with actually knowing what one is working with numerically when one simply encounters it.

I was absolutely floored that two screen readers read a negative number that used color-based formatting to indicate the negative state (and nothing else) by what was displayed in the cell in characters, not the actual data value contained in the cell.  That's just wrong, plain and simple, whether we're dealing with a cell that uses a formula to derive a value or is a numeric cell where someone entered a negative value manually.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Unless I'm misunderstanding Mary Otten's original post, the issue is not really with finding anything, but with actually knowing what one is working with numerically when one simply encounters it.

I was absolutely floored that two screen readers read a negative number that used color-based formatting to indicate the negative state (and nothing else) by what was displayed in the cell in characters, not the actual data value contained in the cell.  That's just wrong, plain and simple, whether we're dealing with a cell that uses a formula to derive a value or is a numeric cell where someone entered a negative value manually.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
Well, negative numbers can be represented visually many ways and nno matter how they are displayed if the formulas are going to work they need to be negative numbers.

Some possibilities: look at the "filter special" functionality there you can filter by color or value. i.e. only shows rows where Column C is red or where column c has a value less than 200.

Although my understanding of Excel filters is very limited, I have only been able to create filters for specific columns in a table, not the entire table or row values which could be useful in this case.

2. Change numeric cell formatting there is a grid to select a format for negative numbers. You should be able to do this unless the sheet creator
3.Search functionality [appears to be a not possible]locked down formats.

I would have expected that with all the mathematical word done in Excel that one could search by numerical values, but I did not see an option to find the next cell with value < a specific number.
4. Pose the problem to the Microsoft accessibility desk. I can't believe you are the first person to encounter RED negatives and not been able to find them.


On 10/18/18, 2:35 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Yes which is why I'd want to know, not by a stupid colour but by a minus
sign.
Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA


On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

>
> Fixing this will require

. . . making any negative number be announced as negative, regardless of
what anything else says.

Math is math, and positive is positive and negative is negative and ne'er
the twain shall be the same. It is essential that anyone working with
numeric values knows the actual value of said numbers.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson
jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: accessible free audio to text software using NVDA?

Jonathan COHN
 

Microsoft was pushing a “translation” plugin for PowerPoint if I remember correctly, that could create on the fly closed captions. I believe that Dragon might also sell a service that does not need training, and can perfrorm non-tuned dictation. I wonder if one could somehow leash the power of the Windows Dictation software in Windows 10 to perform what you want.

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:31 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] accessible free audio to text software using NVDA?

 

Hi,

 

I tried some software to transcribe mp3 audio files to text.  However, they so far all seem inaccessible.

 

Does anyone know of any free software for windows that is accessible using NVDA to do this?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver


accessible free audio to text software using NVDA?

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I tried some software to transcribe mp3 audio files to text.  However, they so far all seem inaccessible.


Does anyone know of any free software for windows that is accessible using NVDA to do this?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 02:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes which is why I'd want to know, not by a stupid colour but by a minus sign.
How nice for you.  That doesn't change one of the common conventions that has been used for a very, very long time.  The problem here lies not with the use of color.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Gene
 

You are evidently talking about looking at dates in the calendar in the XP System Restore.  This shows the importance of looking at interfaces and finding alternative ways of doing something if they exist.  XP has a show next and show previous day button.  it also has a show next and previous month button.  I never used the calendar.  I used these buttons.  If I wanted to go back two or three days, I would press the show previous day button two times if I wanted to go back two days or three times if I wanted to go back three days.  Then, any restore point or points would be shown as links.  It is a web-page-like interface.  Never assume what is or isn't in an interface.  And if one screen-reader just says button, button, try another.  I believe that NVDA didn't see the labels for all of the buttons in System Restore.  I'm explaining all this not because a lot of people use XP any longer.  I'm explaining it to show how, if people assume and don't try another screen-reader, or maybe two, they may render a task almost undoable when it's actually quite easy.
 
Also regarding the buttons, my recollection is that JAWS didn't read the labels unless you turned off the virtual PC cursor, then it did.  So you have to do things that wouldn't be necessary if the interface were properly accessible but it is very useable, though not properly accessible. 
 
As I said, never assume and look around.  Those are very important things to keep in mind.  I realize that there are people with all sorts of different skills and knowledge on the list but there are many people who hamper themselves, sometimes considerably, because they have the knowledge and the underlying skills but they don't look around and they assume.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a spreadsheet where the leading -
sign is missing. If this marking as red is an alternative, it should I would
have thought be expected that  the software would be able to toggle between
marking in colour and a minus sign.


That would seem to lay this particular weirdness at Microsofts door. It is a
bit like the stupid problem in the XP system restore where in order to work
out which dates had restore points you had to find out the style of font it
was written in!

Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA


Hi,

Fixing this will require looking at not only what accessibility API’s say,
but also the object model for Excel and possible variations across Excel
releases (made a bit complicated these days thanks to Office 365 and Office
2016/2019 transition).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA



Mary,

             I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read
"negative" along with the number when this formatting is used.  It is one of
the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that
it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting.  The
display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it
comes to what gets read.

             As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug.  That
being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which
I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.
Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily
checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of
the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19
men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country
thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an
easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)














NVDA STOPS SPEAKING RANDOMLY

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Group

 

I’m sorry if I missed messages regarding my problem, but I experience NVDA falling silent every now and then while I am working in MS W, MS Excel, Outlook, and even when I am playing some games. Regarding the games, I silence NVDA.

 

I suddenly thought that it might not be a NVDA problem, but I’m not sure.

 

I use a Del desktop computer with Windows 10, the latest update, MS Office 2016 and NVDA 2018.3.2.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

Christo Vorster

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7636 F 086 415 6839

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 


Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,

I use Google Docs and Sheets both with Firefox and Chrome and NVDA without any difficulties.

I had some language issues in Chrome, that I reported to the Google Diasability accessibility team, and it was corrected with Chrome's last version.

Best

Sylvie




Le 17/10/2018 à 22:55, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :
I also could not, not on chrome, firefox, safari, or edge. And this over 2 years of trying. I talked to the google srep that was at one of our conventions in 2014 and all I got were a horable pair of free headphones and a "we'll look into it."

On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:23, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I'd imagine it has to be Chrome, but to be honest. I could not get on with Google docs myself. Too laggy and awkward, but then, that might just be me!
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides


Hi,

What wweb browser works best with google docs sheets and slides? Freedom scientific said to use firefox, but that document came out 3 or so years ago, so it may be a little outdated. NVDA and chrome seem to work good with google office, now. Or is the latest firefox still best?

Josh


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Some applications take a long time to close

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I'm sure all versions of Winword used to just close quickly but on the current stable NVDA, at least there does seem to often be a several second delay before anything happens after the alt/F4.
I looked at the log, but really was no wiser other than watchdog for core frozen in stack was happening.

IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.654):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'bowling cancelled.doc - Microsoft Word']
IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.716):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'multi line']
IO - speech.speak (07:52:51.755):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'page 1 section 1', u'end.']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:52:56.746):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:52:56.786):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 4391520, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (07:52:57.292):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 508, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 478, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 657, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 357, in isUIAWindow
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 345, in _isUIAWindowHelper

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.run (07:52:57.592):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 478, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 657, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 357, in isUIAWindow
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 351, in _isUIAWindowHelper
File "watchdog.pyo", line 195, in sendMessageCallCanceller
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1632 (dwm.exe) (07:53:01.897):
Thread 4180, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1632 (dwm.exe) (07:53:01.898):
Thread 4180, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.019):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown']
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:53:02.119):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 1770350, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Unspecified error
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (07:53:02.151):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 3474190, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (07:53:02.164):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.454):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'(No Subject) - Unicode (UTF-8)']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.460):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'read only multi line']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:02.467):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'selected 1245 characters']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (07:53:05.035):
Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+r
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (07:53:05.091):
application winword closed
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.107):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Taskbar']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.198):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'reboot nvda with log terminal']
IO - speech.speak (07:53:05.198):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'80 space', u'blank']
INFO - core.main (07:53:05.374):
Exiting


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Re: NVDA Links and Attachments Digest No. 3,536

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Are you saying links in replies are not working or that you cannot see the messages in full?
Its usually me who has such issues since I am using Outlook Express, but some character sets and display modes can affect what you see in email.
Brian

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From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Links and Attachments Digest No. 3,536


Hello NVDA Group,

In the Digest, #3,536, items four and five are not included. The
digest ends with NVDA and Eclipse.

The fourth post is likely an answer to mine concerning creating links
in GMail with Mozilla and opening attachments in GMail other than
viewing as HTML.
I will try and access this at the given group URL after a night of
sleep. Thanks.

--
David Russell
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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

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Yes which is why I'd want to know, not by a stupid colour but by a minus sign.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA


On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Fixing this will require
. . . making any negative number be announced as negative, regardless of what anything else says.

Math is math, and positive is positive and negative is negative and ne'er the twain shall be the same. It is essential that anyone working with numeric values knows the actual value of said numbers.

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~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

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To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a spreadsheet where the leading - sign is missing. If this marking as red is an alternative, it should I would have thought be expected that the software would be able to toggle between marking in colour and a minus sign.


That would seem to lay this particular weirdness at Microsofts door. It is a bit like the stupid problem in the XP system restore where in order to work out which dates had restore points you had to find out the style of font it was written in!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA


Hi,

Fixing this will require looking at not only what accessibility API’s say, but also the object model for Excel and possible variations across Excel releases (made a bit complicated these days thanks to Office 365 and Office 2016/2019 transition).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA



Mary,

I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read "negative" along with the number when this formatting is used. It is one of the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting. The display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it comes to what gets read.

As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug. That being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
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The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: NVDA with Links and Attachments

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Do you have to use the webmail interface, or could you use a client like Thunderbird etc?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Links and Attachments


Hi NVDA Group,

I have both Mozilla (older classic) version on my computer, probably
52 as well as Internet Explorer 10 as browser options. In my
profession, I need to view attachments, and it would be helpful to
view them as prepared rather than in HTML. I use GMail.

The questions are these:
1. In GMail, If I type in an internet address using Internet Explorer,
will it automatically become a link in the email? Is there a hot key
to do the same with Mozilla?
I read where Mozilla changed things so links add when an email arrives
at the receiving program at that program's discretion.
2. Per attachments, how can I open an attachment in GMail with
Mozilla,as a totally blind user? The old method has not worked for a
good 2 years.
Or, is there an email service that would run like a Classic Google Version?
Thanks for advisement on both issues.

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David Russell
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NVDA Links and Attachments Digest No. 3,536

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Group,

In the Digest, #3,536, items four and five are not included. The
digest ends with NVDA and Eclipse.

The fourth post is likely an answer to mine concerning creating links
in GMail with Mozilla and opening attachments in GMail other than
viewing as HTML.
I will try and access this at the given group URL after a night of
sleep. Thanks.

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Re: braille input/editing bugs/weirdness

David Csercsics
 

Alright, I’ll check to see if I have something misconfigured.

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

Hi,

I wasn’t offended.

Sometimes, I tend to give technical overview of what’s going on (and the info I posted will go up on Feedback Hub later today so people can be aware as to what should be done).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 07:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

For others: no, I’m not questioning Brian’s assertions.

Joseph,

         And I wish to apologize if that's how my follow-up read to you.  I was simply trying to state, unequivocally, that regardless of what gyrations might be necessary, if any screen reader is to handle numeric values correctly in contexts where formatting for negatives may omit the negative sign it still must indicate negative.  Otherwise all is well and truly lost.
 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 07:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
For others: no, I’m not questioning Brian’s assertions.
Joseph,

         And I wish to apologize if that's how my follow-up read to you.  I was simply trying to state, unequivocally, that regardless of what gyrations might be necessary, if any screen reader is to handle numeric values correctly in contexts where formatting for negatives may omit the negative sign it still must indicate negative.  Otherwise all is well and truly lost.
 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)