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Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene,

 

I believe that there is a magnificent team of developers who need to know that their great work has delivered huge assistance to me and to all others who enjoy a trouble-free experience with NVDA 2016.2!

 

I think it is really important to keep reminding them that this is so.

 

As we in the computer world well know, there is always  a new horizon to reach after the latest one has been reached. Therefore, I believe we should welcome those who are having trouble with the new release to explore the issue with open minds and offer all the means possible to collectively help to satisfy their needs. Some of their problems may have arisen because the new release has fixed the previous obstacles and now gives them the opportunity to go forward towards the functionality that they really want. This may bring up another stumbling block that has to be overcome. Such a discovery is not a negative for NVDA but a pointer to further growth.

 

 

I think the subject line should be separated to reflect these two conditions.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses.  If 300 list members are not having problems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems.  Problems need to be reported to be corrected.  Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems.  It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better. 

 

Gee

 

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Carlos,


Yes, you are right. For sentimental reason, I kept an old XP SP3 system--mostly for storage and because I finagled a way to play some DOS games on it through the command line structure. But just this past week, the old faithful gave up the ghost: some sort of motherboard issue as well as a shaky hard drive. So I decided to replace it with a reconditioned Windows 7 Home Premium system for about $125 plus tax. I am used to having tons of back-ups in the event of a calamity so I am comfortable with 3 computers: my 2 Windows 8 systems (one to be upgraded shortly to ten or when I get the nerve) and the old XP system, now to be replaced with the Windows 7 reconditioned box. Oh for the tragedy of not hearing that old XP boot sound! I know you can configure the new system with the old sounds--but just like dating a blonde you really liked and then when she dumps you dating another blonde; it's really not quite the same <laugh>!


...And so it goes.

On 6/3/2016 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to represent my age group! (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph,

Yes, the 20160603 snapshot of the add-on fixed the issue with the time pickers. I've tried it in the "Alarms and Clock" app, in the alarms and timer sections, where there are time pickers. I don't know where else to test it (at the moment I don't have pending updates that require a restart). BTW: At first the fix did not work, but after restarting the app and NVDA itself, it started working. I guess that, as you said, sometimes the arrow keys do not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event.

I hope that the Twitter accessibility team listens to our feedback, because the Twitter app for Windows 10 is functionally good, but only partially accessible. One other good example of inaccessibility of the app are the buttons below each twit - they are focusable, but don't have any label associated with them.


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 3.6.2016 г. в 21:29, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi,

1.       Alarms and Clock: confirmed, a hacky fix on its way (technical: in some cases, English version is affected due to the fact that arrow keys does not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event).

2.       Twitter contents: This is screen reader dependent and ties with markup used by Twitter. This problem is caused by Twitter’s markup strategy, and I believe this was reported to Twitter not long ago. I may need to write a hack to force NVDA to announce content from child objects. Pauses is there due to presence of an unwanted Unicode character, and the optimal solution should come from Twitter.

I’ll go head and build 20160603-dev version of the add-on, and please let me know if item 1 is fixed for good (after installing that version).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

To Joseph. I have 2 questions about the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on for NVDA:

1. The fix that you provide in the add-on for NVDA to properly read the values in the time pickers in places such as the Alarms and Clock" app works if Windows is in english, but does not work if Windows is in another language such as bulgarian. Do you know why is it so? Can you make this fix not to be language-dependent?

2. In the official Twitter app for Windows 10, JAWS manages to read the content of the twittes, although be it with some strange pauses between each word in them. But NVDA and Narrator don't Can you make NVDA read the twittes content? I can even now read the twitt content with NVDA, but I have to use object navigation to do it.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

For me, NVDA is kicking butt...er, I mean it's working very well. I use FF.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hear here!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hi all,
I am having no problems with NVDA 2016.2 Works great with web sites and all
programs like MS excel. Go NVDA!


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

you don't represent your age group.  As a person over 55 myself, I do not accept your representation. 
 
As far as XP is concerned, the developers are still intentionally having NVDA run in Windows Xp.  Also, I don't recall messages of people reporting bugs stating that they are using XP.  It appears you are making an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hello:

     The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with
new software!

     At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that
Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left
alone!

     There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell
rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

     There are a number of software developers that warn customers that
their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

     So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then
don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run
correctly on your machines!

     Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon!  And, I'm very proud to
represent my age group!  (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
> Thunderbird--no issues at all.
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> Roger
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> On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
>> This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
>> Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
>> issues with the latest version of NVDA.
>> For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
>> So far, everything has worked fine for me.
>> Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
>> Chris
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An iTunes Question

Dan Kerstetter
 

Hello all.

 

I’ve just installed the most recent iTunes update; and while it has fixed some issues, I’m still unable to read the list of albums I have.  Is there some way I can remedy this situation?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dan


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses.  If 300 list members are not having probems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems.  Problems need to be reported to be corrected.  Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems.  It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better. 
 
Gee

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris



Re: NVDA Curiosity

David Moore
 

Hi all,
I am having no problems with NVDA 2016.2
Works great with web sites and all programs like MS excel. Go NVDA!

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Carlos
 

Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to represent my age group! (55 Years and above)

On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




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Re: NVDA Curiosity

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Chris,


In all the programs I use regularly: Firefox, Thunderbird, Notepad Plus Plus, Computer, Free Make Video Converter, Soulseek, Winamp, Speak On Media Suite (java based) and ESET Anti-virus, I have noticed no difficulties. I have not had any issues with my NVDA add-ons such as Weather Plus 3.84, Winamp enhancements, Clock and probably a few I can't remember.


I am using a Windows 8.1 system with 12 GB RAM 8 core processor, 1 TB hard drive with external drives, ETC.

On 6/3/2016 2:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Bhavya shah
 

Hi,
I have no issues at all either. Everything is working okay, ESpeak NG
sounds just fine, web browsing and other stuff is as great as it used
to be, if not better in certain areas where NVDA has improved.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris






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Re: NVDA Curiosity

Roger Stewart
 

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger

On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris



Re: About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hi,

1.       Alarms and Clock: confirmed, a hacky fix on its way (technical: in some cases, English version is affected due to the fact that arrow keys does not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event).

2.       Twitter contents: This is screen reader dependent and ties with markup used by Twitter. This problem is caused by Twitter’s markup strategy, and I believe this was reported to Twitter not long ago. I may need to write a hack to force NVDA to announce content from child objects. Pauses is there due to presence of an unwanted Unicode character, and the optimal solution should come from Twitter.

I’ll go head and build 20160603-dev version of the add-on, and please let me know if item 1 is fixed for good (after installing that version).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

To Joseph. I have 2 questions about the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on for NVDA:

1. The fix that you provide in the add-on for NVDA to properly read the values in the time pickers in places such as the Alarms and Clock" app works if Windows is in english, but does not work if Windows is in another language such as bulgarian. Do you know why is it so? Can you make this fix not to be language-dependent?

2. In the official Twitter app for Windows 10, JAWS manages to read the content of the twittes, although be it with some strange pauses between each word in them. But NVDA and Narrator don't Can you make NVDA read the twittes content? I can even now read the twitt content with NVDA, but I have to use object navigation to do it.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Andre Fisher
 

I have no problems with it. I love it!

On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




NVDA Curiosity

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


iTunes V 12.4.1

Lino Morales
 

Well kids lists of songs do read with NVDA in the updated iTunes 12.4.1. I was also able to read the items in the playlist for Apple misc I still in the process of creating.


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Arlene observed, "Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug."

Yep, because the number of variables that come into play to make certain bugs exhibit themselves are mind boggling (which is often why the software maker cannot replicate an issue even if they try to do so in what should be "the same environment" as it was encountered in by the user).

We have folks with various versions of Windows, all sorts of different hardware, all sorts of assistive technology beyond NVDA potentially installed, all sorts of programs in general besides NVDA installed, and the list goes on.  Each and every one of those things has the potential to set things up *juuuuuust right* for you, and only you (or a very small number of people who have the same combination as you), to encounter a given bug.

I often think it's a bit of a miracle that most software functions at all given the number of variables at play that the developers have no control over and may have never even had a reason to conceive of.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

Arlene
 

Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug.  I had beta tested Jaws 5.0 and there were some bugs I did find. Some others did not find.  Or vice versa.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June-03-16 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"