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Re: Accessibility of Math's content

Waqas Ramzan
 

Hi,
Ghanks a lot for your promlt reply. I'll follow the both references

On October 20, 2018 7:53:24 PM "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

My advice would be to learn LaTeX. There are excellent tutorials online, for
example http://latex.silmaril.ie/formattinginformation/index.html
Although this one needs to be supplemented by other material that covers
writing mathematical content.

I would also recommend subscribing to the blindmath@nfbnet.org mailing list
and asking further questions there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Waqas Ramzan
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility of Math's content

Good day fellows,
Posting here for the first time although member for 2 years.
Is anyone here experienced with reading and writing Mathematical content.
Which software do you use and how is its accessibility with our beloved
NVDA? I've heard of something called Math ML but I think we cannot directly
write something in Math ML. And there exists a software called MatLab that
is used widely. Can we use it with NVDA?
Please do not recommend Ms Excel as it's more of a database thing. I want
actual math writing same as on paper. Proper placement of exponents, base,
whole, underroot etc.
Looking forward for your valuable recommendations.
Warm Regards,
Waqas.








Re: Voice Activation with NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Thank you. Do you need to have either Dragon or Windows Speech Recognition (I.e., on Windows 10) to use the Dictation Bridge?

Thanks,
Rechell Schwartz
Guardian Life Insurance Company
IT - BTS Group UI/UX
(212)919-3853

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation with NVDA


[EXTERNAL]

Hi all,

You can find dictationBridge at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dictationbridge.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=tgH_BtXR-501zcdE8-dvRgEg8aWmdQ-cSUXqw1qnbGU&r=doKEWVgxnbFIqe8hzuRxDkSmgEMtZruv5IW4zhydrys&m=qxqd4Tpaj4QepX0v1zOqkmZRqLjOD1hhLD0Xr_YPEt0&s=8rsJeo8_0Flmgms1xX8qPY6zfPC7BcScRV4Of9tY7xg&e=. It is open source. It works with Dragon and windows speech-recognition and does allow you to control the computer hands free using NVDA.

Note:
Cortana is different from Dragon and WSR.

Pranav





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Re: winamp is on ninite

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I had the new beta version but decided to reinstall winamp 5.666. Even though the volume is low, I can hear when I play the oldies station I like to listen to.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I don’t believe I was assuming anything. I merely reported that the stream was  coming through “loud and clear” on my own version of the programme, which is not the new beta, but v5.666. I asked her if she had tried with that version and had experienced the same volume issue, and she said yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

You are assuming that the station is streaming at its correct volume.  Did you try other streams?  did you stream the station in the old player very shortly before installing and trying the new Winamp?  Never assume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.
















Re: Unable to read the edit field labels for the file properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Is this a UIA issue or NVDA caused issue?


On 10/22/2018 1:39 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Just catching up on this as I've been away for a few days.  I too can replicate the issue.  In the interim, I have two possible workarounds:

- When on one of the edit fields, press NVDA+numpad 8 (Desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+shift+up arrow (Laptop keyboard layout) to move the review cursor to the containing object.  That reads the label and you can then type into the field as normal.  Unless you've set the review cursor to not follow focus, you can press the same keystroke when you tab to the next field.

- When tabbing through that info page, before the edit fields there is a "properties" grouping.  Press ENTER on that, and then ENTER on the first (only) option which is "Advanced properties".  That opens a traditional dialog box with more fields and options, and the labels read correctly on that dialog.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:02 PM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Thank you, David,

I understand its importance now!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Apps
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to read the edit field labels for the file
properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Dear Cearbhall

Thank you for your message and for your help.

You can use the fields to specify the values of many of the file properties.
These file properties are available from the Windows File Explorer
properties dialog box (on the "Details" tab). Some people use them to help
organize and find files, and they can be useful when you want to find the
correct person to contact about fixing a problem in a file.

Thank you

David

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Re: Unable to read the edit field labels for the file properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just catching up on this as I've been away for a few days.  I too can replicate the issue.  In the interim, I have two possible workarounds:

- When on one of the edit fields, press NVDA+numpad 8 (Desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+shift+up arrow (Laptop keyboard layout) to move the review cursor to the containing object.  That reads the label and you can then type into the field as normal.  Unless you've set the review cursor to not follow focus, you can press the same keystroke when you tab to the next field.

- When tabbing through that info page, before the edit fields there is a "properties" grouping.  Press ENTER on that, and then ENTER on the first (only) option which is "Advanced properties".  That opens a traditional dialog box with more fields and options, and the labels read correctly on that dialog.

Regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:02 PM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Thank you, David,

I understand its importance now!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Apps
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to read the edit field labels for the file
properties in Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word

Dear Cearbhall

Thank you for your message and for your help.

You can use the fields to specify the values of many of the file properties.
These file properties are available from the Windows File Explorer
properties dialog box (on the "Details" tab). Some people use them to help
organize and find files, and they can be useful when you want to find the
correct person to contact about fixing a problem in a file.

Thank you

David

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Re: winamp is on ninite

Gene
 

I neglected to use Rosemary's name when responding.  That was the message I was responding to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I don’t believe I was assuming anything. I merely reported that the stream was  coming through “loud and clear” on my own version of the programme, which is not the new beta, but v5.666. I asked her if she had tried with that version and had experienced the same volume issue, and she said yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

You are assuming that the station is streaming at its correct volume.  Did you try other streams?  did you stream the station in the old player very shortly before installing and trying the new Winamp?  Never assume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.

















Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Tony, I have not had the specific problem you're discussing, and I use chrome and NVDA.  However, I have issues where NVDA skips entire chunks of web pages if I use the inverted arrow pad to navigate the page.  This doesn't happen when I use the numpad review keys, but if does happen with the stand-aloen arrow keys between the main keys and the numpad.  It happens most often on sites like amazon.com when looking at ebooks I'm planning on borrowing/buying, and on facebook.com when trying to view postings folks have made that I get emails about.  On amazon it's so bad, I don't use the arrow keys anymore to view the page content, because they miss huge chunks of the page.  But, for the problem you are having, it does manifest itself if I try to start moving through a page like amazon using the page up/down keys before the page is done loading, but otherwise, it doesn't seem to happen with any regularity.

On 10/21/2018 5:49 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all

I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
to explain what I mean with an example.

Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
One obvious workaround is for me to wait after every single browse
mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
keystroke.

Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which probably wouldn't
affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
programs running.

Best regards
Tony



Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Tony Malykh
 

I am using gmail HTML interface, and I'm not aware of it being changed
recently. I provided gmail as an example, because this bug reproduces
with nearly 100% chance only on gmail as long as keystrokes are issued
quicly enough. I can provide you more examples, but for these other
web sites the reproducibility rate falls down to about 50%.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/21/facebook-may-buy-large-cybersecurity-company/
Press H K

https://www.reddit.com/
Press H H K

https://news.ycombinator.com/
Press K T

So it seems like gmail is doing something to only exacerbate this bug.
I can provide many more websites - I think I can reproduce this bug
with 50% chance on many major websites.


On 10/21/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hmm is this the new gmail interface?
Does this affect othr sites as well.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
This message sent from a Windows XP machine!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 10:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome


Hi all

I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
to explain what I mean with an example.

Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
One obvious workaround is for me to wait after every single browse
mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
keystroke.

Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which probably wouldn't
affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
programs running.

Best regards
Tony






Re: Voice Activation with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

You can find dictationBridge at http://dictationbridge.com. It is open source. It works with Dragon and windows speech-recognition and does allow you to control the computer hands free using NVDA.

Note:
Cortana is different from Dragon and WSR.

Pranav


Re: Free Spanish Plugins

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

I tried installing the Core Voice for Spanish, but when I go to the Languages section in Control panel it doesn’t give me an option for Speech à Downlaod. Any insight?

 

Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Company

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free Spanish Plugins

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

Yes that’s what I plan on doing, since I’ll get a new Laptop in the coming weeks.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


El 21 oct 2018, a la(s) 8:01 a. m., Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> escribió:

then perhaps you could use the windows10 OneCore spanish voices.


 


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Re: reading journal articles with nvda

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Footnotes can be annoying yes. The reason I don't switch the file to word is that I will lose the page number info, which is required if I direct quote the article. I am doing my masters. Hoping to continue onto a ph.d as well, therefore it is important that I figure this stuff out as early as possible. The main problem I face is accessing figures accessibly, as they cut across the text of random pages, and nvda will start reading the values in a random order. I would be grateful if you could share tips for managing reading articles, keeping track of page numbers etc. The other problem is that nvda will not correctly read IPA symbols in journal articles and books which is impairing my understanding of an essay topic, which is due in 10 days. Also, could you tell me how you track page numbers when you have to OCR a document, and the page numbers change, or when nvda reported numbers and actual numbers are different?

Best,
Enes

On 10/21/2018 5:19 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 

It is a little unclear what you mean. Are you talking about the proprietary header/ footer identifiers in many  PDF versions of Journals?

When I was doing my PhD, if there were annoying header ore  footer information labels, I would simply transfer all the text to something like MS Word,  or even Wordpad, select and copy the footer text  and then press control G  to simply find and replace all the instances of the footer/header  text  with a space.

This would certainly give you a smoother reading experience with NVDA say all function though it may be important to retain any page number information for referencing purposes.

You can specify how NVDA treats numbers in settings so this should not be specific to any document type.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: 21 October 2018 17:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading journal articles with nvda

 

hi all,

 

So as I have started my masters, I have to read many journal articles

with nvda. Is there special settings in nvda I need to select to prevent

nvda from reading the grant information, or author information in the

middle of random pages in the article? Or to make it read figures properly?

 

 

 

 



Re: Question on settings

Greg Rhodes
 

Joseph/Gene, That fixed it. You guys are awesome. A real duh moment for me. I had NVDA set on laptop instead of desktop. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: winamp is on ninite

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I don’t believe I was assuming anything. I merely reported that the stream was  coming through “loud and clear” on my own version of the programme, which is not the new beta, but v5.666. I asked her if she had tried with that version and had experienced the same volume issue, and she said yes.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

You are assuming that the station is streaming at its correct volume.  Did you try other streams?  did you stream the station in the old player very shortly before installing and trying the new Winamp?  Never assume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.

















Re: winamp is on ninite

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

 

Well, not having any knowledge of where she got the address, I clicked on the link provided in the e-mail, and everything worked as expected, including the stream.

Looking at the url given now without the – character in place … it seems exactly the same. I’m guessing they registered both domains then.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: October 21, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

Don't give what you guess is the address.  Check it.  go to the site and paste the link from the address field to the clip board and then into the browser.  There is no www.  Not all Internet addresses have www's.  There is no hyphen.  The correct address is:

Unless you are absolutely sure, beyond any doubt, chec the address.  It isn't just a question of inconveniencing people who try the incorrect address.  With well known sites, criminals purchase domains almost identical to the right one so that when someone enters the wrong address, usually from a typographical error, they will be taken to a hacker's site and malware may be attempted to be downloaded to the computer or attempts may be made to induce the user to give personal information.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

Try www.legend-oldies.com.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Hm, what's the stream url? I'll try some things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Yes.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.




























Re: winamp is on ninite

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

What old version?

I asked if you got the same result in 5.666 (which I am using), and I thought that you had said “yes”.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 5:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

The station worked well in the old version of winamp.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

You are assuming that the station is streaming at its correct volume.  Did you try other streams?  did you stream the station in the old player very shortly before installing and trying the new Winamp?  Never assume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

 

I wonder if the pre-amp is even working, then?
Did you have this problem with Winamp 5.666?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I tried doing both the system tray and with the equalizer and nothing worked. The volume is as high as it'll go and it's still very low. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

That probably has little to do with winamp.
Couple of things you could try if you haven't:
Make sure Winamp has a high enough volume set in your Windows audio mixer. You can get to it from the system tray. If you have Windows 10, you can control the output volume of the various applications that use audio. Not good for fine-tuning in my experience, but if you find a programme always has a low volume, it doesn't hurt to check.
Make sure the volume in Winamp is high enough. Up and down arrows usually control this, as you probably know.

Finally, winamp has a pre-amp as well. This is for boosting the amplitude of sounds that have a low output volume, IE, the volume of the stream or file itself is low. Open the equalizer with alt-g. You'll probably have to ctrl-tab to put focus on the equalizer. Then, hit the grave accent key to increase the preamp power. You don't want to do this too much or else you'll get distortion. Just boost the sound until it's comfortable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

I just tried the new winamp but I don't think it's that much better. I just tried listening to an oldies station and the volume was very low.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp is on ninite

Just to let you all know win amp is now on www.ninite.com.  I am wondering if the new version is any better than the older versions? Just let me know and I will install it.
















Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm is this the new gmail interface?
Does this affect othr sites as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 10:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome


Hi all

I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
to explain what I mean with an example.

Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
One obvious workaround is for me to wait after every single browse
mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
keystroke.

Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which probably wouldn't
affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
programs running.

Best regards
Tony


Re: Question on settings

Gene
 

I just saw Joseph Lee's message and I see that if you are using laptop layout, nvda key up arrow does what you are experiencing.  If you are using laptop layout and you have a keyboard with a numpad, switch to the desktop layout.  I don't like the laptop layout.  it isn't consistent.  If you are using a computer without a numpad, I think it is a much better idea to get a USB numpad. and use the desktop layout. 
 
Whatever you do, I think using numpad 8 is a much more convenient command.  if you are in object navigation mode, it does the same thing and only requires one hand and one finger.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

Hi,

Okay, what is the NVDA keyboard layout you’ve got? To check this, press Control+NVDA+K and tell us which layout is currently selected.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

 

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Question on settings

Gene
 

Are you using the same version of NVDA you were using before the reinstallation, or did you install a new version of NVDA when you reinstalled Windows and NVDA?
 
I don't have much in the way of suggestions at this time except that if you installed a new version of NVDA, that you try an earlier version of NVDA run as a portable. 
 
But first, try read current object, numpad 8 and see if it reads the correct line with the version you are currently using.  Usually, numpad 8 reads the same line as NVDA key up arrow does when you are in object mode. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Question on settings

 

Hi,

Okay, what is the NVDA keyboard layout you’ve got? To check this, press Control+NVDA+K and tell us which layout is currently selected.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

 

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Tony Malykh
 

Hi all

I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
to explain what I mean with an example.

Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
One obvious workaround is for me to wait after every single browse
mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
keystroke.

Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which probably wouldn't
affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
programs running.

Best regards
Tony