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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
That was the idea behind starting this thread.
I posted it because I may be a little bias because I love NVDA. I especially love the report spelling errors when typing. It really cuts down on spell checker. I also know that we have some developers that read this forem. and I thought it may be a good way for them to obtain information. Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Ron Canazzi
Hi Arlene,
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Ah yes, but I saved all the XP sounds and if you put them in your /windows/media folder in Windows 7, you could--if you wish--assign the sounds as such in Windows 7.
On 6/3/2016 8:22 PM, Arlene wrote:
No, You can't put the start sound that xp used at start up. I like the --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Roger Stewart
I think that if all that is heard is one or two folks saying this isn't working right then it may appear there is a more or less serious bug in nvda. However, if many others say all is good (especially with the specific programs that are giving others trouble) then it would appear that isn't an nvda problem at all. This is not to "slap in the face" or deny that these problems don't exist, but just to get things into prospective so the real problems can be identified and fixed for the good of all.
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Roger
On 6/3/2016 8:04 PM, Kwork wrote:
Yep, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's great to see some
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Kwork
Yep, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's great to see some
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praise and positivity around here amidst that "things don't work for me" posts. That's why I was happy to answer and say that things are working so far from my perspective. Now, if it happened all the time, it would get a bit much, but let's not rain on the parade of those wanting to report something good for a change. Travis
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From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity Just to clarify, I only asked how many people were not having problems with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a few people or the majority. Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
YYeah same here, the only issue I am having is the espeak squisher issue and its not uber bad like I want to chuck the computer into hell and buy jaws, its just a slight accent squish that I think they will get fixed its probably something wrong with the phonem data than anything else since thats what it sounds like.
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On 4/06/2016 6:29 a.m., Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
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Arlene
The latest version of NVDA Rocks! When you are reading e-mails, it tells or announces gramme0072 errors. This rocks!
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher Sent: June-03-16 6:19 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #Release I agree with Bhavya. That's a better route in the long run, rather than reverting to an older version of NVDA, which does not provide the best functionality. I would also like more persons to test out NVDA, even the snapshots or RCs, just to ensure that more bugs are fixed. On 6/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Nasrin,
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Arlene
No, You can't put the start sound that xp used at start up. I like the
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sound start up for windows 7. Does ten have that same sound at start up like you would in 7?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: June-03-16 12:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity Hi Carlos, Yes, you are right. For sentimental reason, I kept an old XP SP3 system--mostly for storage and because I finagled a way to play some DOS games on it through the command line structure. But just this past week, the old faithful gave up the ghost: some sort of motherboard issue as well as a shaky hard drive. So I decided to replace it with a reconditioned Windows 7 Home Premium system for about $125 plus tax. I am used to having tons of back-ups in the event of a calamity so I am comfortable with 3 computers: my 2 Windows 8 systems (one to be upgraded shortly to ten or when I get the nerve) and the old XP system, now to be replaced with the Windows 7 reconditioned box. Oh for the tragedy of not hearing that old XP boot sound! I know you can configure the new system with the old sounds--but just like dating a blonde you really liked and then when she dumps you dating another blonde; it's really not quite the same <laugh>! ...And so it goes. On 6/3/2016 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote: Hello:-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate
Arlene
Exactly! When we did beta test jaws. We had to tell what version of windows we had. Back when Jaws was 5.0 there was windows xp, me, 98 and 95. So we had to say what we were using. Most or almost everybody was using xp from what I remember. We also had to say the version of beta we were using.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Arlene observed, "Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug." Yep, because the number of variables that come into play to make certain bugs exhibit themselves are mind boggling (which is often why the software maker cannot replicate an issue even if they try to do so in what should be "the same environment" as it was encountered in by the user). We have folks with various versions of Windows, all sorts of different hardware, all sorts of assistive technology beyond NVDA potentially installed, all sorts of programs in general besides NVDA installed, and the list goes on. Each and every one of those things has the potential to set things up *juuuuuust right* for you, and only you (or a very small number of people who have the same combination as you), to encounter a given bug. I often think it's a bit of a miracle that most software functions at all given the number of variables at play that the developers have no control over and may have never even had a reason to conceive of. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: signal or battery signal app
David Moore
With JAWS and NVDA, to read how much charge you have left in the battery
is:
NVDA or JAWS+SHIFT+B
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] signal or battery signal app Issac, You're going to need to be a lot more explicit about the kind of signal you are trying to measure when you reference "signal tower." Also, what's a signal battery? You also might get a quicker
answer on the BlindTech group. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane
Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent
Life in the Universe"
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Re: signal or battery signal app
Issac, You're going to need to be a lot more explicit about the kind of signal you are trying to measure when you reference "signal tower." Also, what's a signal battery? You also might get a quicker answer on the BlindTech group. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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signal or battery signal app
Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
hi, anyone know of a signal tower or signal battery
app?
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Gene
I'm sure many people are using them. Unless
the developers start asking for more testers, it can be assumed that enough
testers are participating.
Gene
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I can see your point and I agree with you for the most part, but the beta versions of a product are only good if people are actually using them and reporting bugs. Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Jean,
I can see your point and I agree with you for the most part, but the beta versions of a product are only good if people are actually using them and reporting bugs. Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
n8mnx@att.net
I am not having any issues with nvda 2016.2 every version I have not yet encountered any issues.
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Brian Sackrider
On 6/3/2016 2:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Gene
I understand, but by the time a properly developed
and tested program reaches release, it will have been tested enough that it is
expected to function properly or without significant problems for most
users. That's why there are snapshots released more than once a week for
testing during development and that's why betas are released before
development.
Some people like to test programs while in
development. they may have annoyances or problems because of bugs while
the program is being developed. Interested people may spot problems or
express dissatisfaction with some aspects of the program during that time.
for people who want reliability and who don't want to test, the final release
version is the most likely to be the most bugg-free and reliable in the
development of the current version.
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with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a few people or the majority. Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Just to clarify, I only asked how many people were not having problems with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a few people or the majority.
Chris
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Kwork
All good so far here as well. I haven't, and won't test everything as I
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don't have Office installed, but what I normally do is working just fine. Travis
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From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all. Roger On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote: This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
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Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)
Gene wrote: "And the original message didn't ask for messages of thanks or appreciation. It asked how many people are not having problems with NVDA. That is an entirely different request." Exactly. And this goes back to a case where I am in absolute agreement with you regarding thread titles. Putting "atta boys! (and girls, too)" in a thread that is a genuine attempt to see if others are encountering the same issue or issues in general with a release is a direct slap in the face to those having the troubles and trying their best to see if it might be idiosyncratic or more broadly based. I've been a programmer. It's nice to have praise and if you, for any you, want to start a thread for that purpose have at it. Don't hijack an issue identification thread because you think that the developers don't hear enough praise. That's not what they're paid (or volunteer) for and knowing what may be wrong is more helpful for creating a better and better product! P.S. The irony of my post and Gene's appearing in a thread that was specifically started as a praise thread is not lost on me. I also don't think this thread is a bad idea, either. -- I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Kevin Cussick
good point agreed.
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On 03/06/2016 20:43, Gene wrote:
Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses. If 300 list
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Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)
Gene
I don't complain if some people express
appreciation off and on, as they do on list. But asking a general question
such as how many people are not having problems with NVDA doesn't provide useful
answers or information for developers. The developers have information
before the final release on the general performance of NVDA. that's an
important reason for releasing the RC or release candidates for testing
before the final version. It allows testing by a lot of people to see if
problems exist. If they do, the full version release may be delayed.
But the full version is released only after testing of the program indicates
that no problems of any significance exist that are known. But after a
full version is released, far more people use it. some problems that were
not known earlier are commonly discovered. That's what developers need to
know, what unexpected problems are found.
It's like asking people on a health list how many
people don't have headaches today. it provides no help nor useful
information to those who do.
And the original message didn't ask for messages of
thanks or appreciation. It asked how many people are not having problems
with NVDA. That is an entirely different request.
Gene
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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA success ( originally
Curiosity) Gene,
I believe that there is a magnificent team of developers who need to know that their great work has delivered huge assistance to me and to all others who enjoy a trouble-free experience with NVDA 2016.2!
I think it is really important to keep reminding them that this is so.
As we in the computer world well know, there is always a new horizon to reach after the latest one has been reached. Therefore, I believe we should welcome those who are having trouble with the new release to explore the issue with open minds and offer all the means possible to collectively help to satisfy their needs. Some of their problems may have arisen because the new release has fixed the previous obstacles and now gives them the opportunity to go forward towards the functionality that they really want. This may bring up another stumbling block that has to be overcome. Such a discovery is not a negative for NVDA but a pointer to further growth.
I think the subject line should be separated to reflect these two conditions.
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nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses. If 300 list members are not having problems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems. Problems need to be reported to be corrected. Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems. It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better.
Gee
This goes along with my last post
labeled NVDA devils advocate.
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