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Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

Daniel Damacena
 

Press NVDA + shift + s. In the box ~audioducking~, set as below?

Audio ducking mode: Duck when outputting speech and sounds

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 15:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

 

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

 


Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

Gerardo Corripio
 

OH wow I didn’t realice Audioducking has a shortcut! Thanks for the tip! Yes I tried it and yes it switches among the options! Thanks again!

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: hurrikennyandopo ...
Enviado: jueves, 25 de octubre de 2018 01:18 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

 

Hi

 

You probably are aware of the shortcut and what it does.

 

But there depending which one you choose will always duck or only when nvda speaks. But it also says about certain synths.

 

Audio Ducking Mode
Key: NVDA+shift+d
On Windows 8 and above, this option allows you to choose if NVDA should lower the volume of other applications while NVDA is speaking, or all the time while NVDA is running.
• No Ducking: NVDA will never lower the volume of other audio.
• Duck when outputting speech and sounds: NVDA will only lower the volume of other audio when NVDA is speaking or playing sounds. This may not work for all synthesizers.
• Always duck: NVDA will keep the volume of other audio lower the whole time NVDA is running.
This option is only available if NVDA has been installed. It is not possible to support audio ducking for portable and temporary copies of NVDA.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 26/10/2018 7:06 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


You probably are aware of the shortcut and what it does.


But there depending which one you choose will always duck or only when nvda speaks. But it also says about certain synths.


Audio Ducking Mode
Key: NVDA+shift+d
On Windows 8 and above, this option allows you to choose if NVDA should lower the volume of other applications while NVDA is speaking, or all the time while NVDA is running.
• No Ducking: NVDA will never lower the volume of other audio.
• Duck when outputting speech and sounds: NVDA will only lower the volume of other audio when NVDA is speaking or playing sounds. This may not work for all synthesizers.
• Always duck: NVDA will keep the volume of other audio lower the whole time NVDA is running.
This option is only available if NVDA has been installed. It is not possible to support audio ducking for portable and temporary copies of NVDA.


Gene nz



On 26/10/2018 7:06 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 


Re: Word game

farhan israk
 

Thank you. Where will I get it?


On Thu, 25 Oct 2018, 8:45 pm john s, <jschwery@...> wrote:
Spoonbill games has a number of word games.

At 08:30 AM 10/25/2018, farhan israk, wrote:

Is any accessible word game available for Windows 10?

                 John


Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Lenron
 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

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Re: can't exit out of winamp

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks for this info. I'll give this new version another try.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

Hi Rose Marie,

To download Winamp app via Ninite page:

Winamp updated to 5.8.0.3660.

Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once https://ninite.com/accessible

Do NVDA+Ctrl+f
search on the page:
Winamp

Check this check box called Winamp .

Search on the page the word get

this a button
Get Your Ninite

Click enter on this button to download Ninite .exe file.

Just run the Ninite .exe and relax. Ninite's automation will install the apps in the background and without any toolbars or junk.

Use tab to move in this dialog.
Follow the instructions on the screen.
Wait a moment, once the installation is finished just tab, and hit the Close button.

Run Winamp shortcut on your desktop

A first dialog box appears:
Use tab to move in this dialog.

Winamp 5.8 Build 3660

Add Media to Library dialogue You currently have nothing in your library. To add media, select from the options below.

Add Media to Library button

Do not show me this again check box not checked

Just hit space bar so that this dialogue does not appear again.

Close button

Just hit Close button to close this dialog.

Learn More About Winamp button

Wait a moment...

Dialog 1: Opening Dialog: Winamp v5.8 Build 3660 Setup Choose the look and feel for your Winamp.

This first item is selected by default:
Bento Skin
down arrow until:
Winamp Classic
Tabing and hit the Next button
Dialog 2: Opening Dialog: Winamp v5.8 Build 3660 Setup² Select the file types you want to be associated with Winamp. To associate files with Winamp on this version of Windows, you need to go to 'Set Default Programs' in the Control Panel once Winamp's setup is complete. Note: This can also be accessed via Winamp's 'File Types'
preferences page.

Launch Winamp for Audio CDs check box checked (by default) Show Winamp in the folder context menus in Windows Explorer check box checked (by default) Enable Winamp Agent check box not checked (by default)

For me all options by default are fine!
Tabing and hit the Finish button

If you are in the main window of Winamp
To exit Winamp, just hit context menus(applications key) and choose the option Exit Alt+F4 Here you will find other options to configure Winamp, I leave it to your criteria, I am not an expert.

Probably, if you do not work the Winamp do Shift + tab to put the focus in the main window.

Last thing...

If you have a USB device, a dialog appears:
Winamp Portable Music Player Support
Choose yes or no, button, but the truth to me did not work, but, do not worry, if you close the computer, you will have to close the dialogue.

FYI:
I know that there is a NVDA add-on for Winamp, but it is discontinued by the author, but it could be that it helps you:
extendedWinamp - NVDA add-ons
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/extendedWinamp.en.html

whatsnew:
Winamp 5.8
* New: Windows Audio (WASAPI) Output plug-in (w.i.p.)
* Improved: Added an option to completely disable Winamp's video support
* Improved: Added an auto-fullscreen option to video prefs
* Improved: Added /ENUMPLAYLISTS to the command-line support
* Improved: Windows 8.1 and 10 compatibility
* Improved: [in_mod] OpenMPT-based Module Player (replaces old MikMod
player)
* Improved: [ml_playlists] Added browse path & edit title functions in
Ctrl+E editor
* Improved: [Bento] Updated scrollbars and buttons and other tweaks (thanks Martin)
* Improved: [Bento & Modern skins] Added a Playlist Search feature (thanks Victor)
* Fixed: New URLs not being remembered after using Reset history in Open URL dialog
* Fixed: Various memory leaks
* Fixed: [gen_tray] Not showing correct current icon pack in preferences
* Fixed: [in_avi] Divide-by-zero crash with badly formed files (thanks
ITDefensor)
* Fixed: [in_mp3] Crashing with some ID3v2 tags
* Fixed: [ml_wire] Slow loading issue
* Fixed: [ssdp] Crash on load if jnetlib was not correctly initialized
* Misc: Minimum required OS is now Win XP sp3 (Windows 7 or higher
recommended)
* Misc: More general tweaks, improvements, fixes and optimizations
* Misc: Moved shared DLLs to Winamp\Shared folder
* Removed: All former "Pro" licensed functions (Winamp is now 100% freeware again)
* Removed: gen_jumpex & UnicodeTaskbarFix (making way for native
implementations)
* Removed: [in_wm] DRM support
* Replaced: CD playback and ripping now using native Windows API (instead of Sonic)
* Replaced: MP3 Decoder now mpg123 based (instead of Fraunhofer)
* Replaced: AAC Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and higher)
* Replaced: H.264 Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and higher)
* Replaced: MPEG-4 Pt.2 Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and
higher)
* Updated: [in_vorbis] libogg 1.3.3 & libvorbis 1.3.6
* Updated: [libFLAC] FLAC 1.3.2
* Updated: [libyajl] libyajl v2.1.0
* Updated: [OpenSSL] OpenSSL v1.0.1i
* Updated: [png] libpng v1.5.24

Tested with NVDA last version, Win10 Home, 64-bit, Version 1803

Other useful links:
Winamp:
https://winamp.com/
Codecs.com | Downloads for Winamp 5.8.3660 beta http://www.free-codecs.com/winamp_download.htm
Ninite Winamp Unattended Silent Installer and Updater This installer includes Winamp 1. Download https://ninite.com/winamp/ninite.exe
Your installer will begin downloading shortly.
2. Run
Just run the Ninite .exe and relax. Ninite's automation will install the apps in the background and without any toolbars or junk.

Hope this can help you.
Cheers since France.
Rémy


Le 24/10/2018 à 00:36, Rosemarie Chavarria a écrit :
I had the classic skin but it still didn't work. That's why I went back to the older version.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Clare Page
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

Hi!
For me, the new Winamp behaves like the old one, including being able to exit the program with alt+F4 as I have always done. I am using the Winamp Classic skin, that might make a difference.
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: mardi 23 octobre 2018 03:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

Well, thanks for the heads up on the new win amp. I'll stick with the old version until all problems have been resolved.

On 10/22/2018 6:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That didn't work either. I just tried it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

You may try alt space bar follow by c.

On 10/22/2018 6:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I tried exiting winamp but this new version isn't responding. Is
there a different way to get out? I tried alt f-4 and x but it didn't work.
To be honest, I hate this version of winamp!

Rosemarie















Re: can't exit out of winamp

Rémy Ruiz
 

Hi Rose Marie,

To download Winamp app via Ninite page:

Winamp updated to 5.8.0.3660.

Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once
https://ninite.com/accessible

Do NVDA+Ctrl+f
search on the page:
Winamp

Check this check box called Winamp .

Search on the page the word get

this a button
Get Your Ninite

Click enter on this button to download Ninite .exe file.

Just run the Ninite .exe and relax. Ninite's automation will install the apps in the background and without any toolbars or junk.

Use tab to move in this dialog.
Follow the instructions on the screen.
Wait a moment, once the installation is finished just tab, and hit the Close button.

Run Winamp shortcut on your desktop

A first dialog box appears:
Use tab to move in this dialog.

Winamp 5.8 Build 3660

Add Media to Library  dialogue  You currently have nothing in your library. To add media, select from the options below.

Add Media to Library button

Do not show me this again check box not checked

Just hit  space bar so that this dialogue does not appear again.

Close button

Just hit  Close button to close this dialog.

Learn More About Winamp button

Wait a moment...

Dialog 1: Opening Dialog: Winamp v5.8 Build 3660 Setup
Choose the look and feel for your Winamp.

This first item is selected by default:
Bento Skin
down arrow until:
Winamp Classic
Tabing and hit the Next button
Dialog 2: Opening Dialog: Winamp v5.8 Build 3660 Setup²
Select the file types you want to be associated with Winamp. To associate files with Winamp on this version of Windows, you need to go to 'Set Default Programs' in the Control Panel once Winamp's setup is complete. Note: This can also be accessed via Winamp's 'File Types' preferences page.

Launch Winamp for Audio CDs check box checked (by default)
Show Winamp in the folder context menus in Windows Explorer check box checked (by default)
Enable Winamp Agent check box not checked (by default)

For me all options by default are fine!
Tabing and hit the Finish button

If you are in the main window of Winamp
To exit Winamp, just hit context menus(applications key)   and choose the option Exit    Alt+F4
Here you will find other options to configure Winamp, I leave it to your criteria, I am not an expert.

Probably, if you do not work the Winamp do Shift + tab to put the focus in the main window.

Last thing...

If you have a USB device, a dialog appears:
Winamp Portable Music Player Support
Choose yes or no, button, but the truth to me did not work, but, do not worry, if you close the computer, you will have to close the dialogue.

FYI:
I know that there is a NVDA add-on  for Winamp, but it is discontinued by the author, but it could be that it helps you:
extendedWinamp - NVDA add-ons
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/extendedWinamp.en.html

whatsnew:
Winamp 5.8
* New: Windows Audio (WASAPI) Output plug-in (w.i.p.)
* Improved: Added an option to completely disable Winamp's video support
* Improved: Added an auto-fullscreen option to video prefs
* Improved: Added /ENUMPLAYLISTS to the command-line support
* Improved: Windows 8.1 and 10 compatibility
* Improved: [in_mod] OpenMPT-based Module Player (replaces old MikMod player)
* Improved: [ml_playlists] Added browse path & edit title functions in Ctrl+E editor
* Improved: [Bento] Updated scrollbars and buttons and other tweaks (thanks Martin)
* Improved: [Bento & Modern skins] Added a Playlist Search feature (thanks Victor)
* Fixed: New URLs not being remembered after using Reset history in Open URL dialog
* Fixed: Various memory leaks
* Fixed: [gen_tray] Not showing correct current icon pack in preferences
* Fixed: [in_avi] Divide-by-zero crash with badly formed files (thanks ITDefensor)
* Fixed: [in_mp3] Crashing with some ID3v2 tags
* Fixed: [ml_wire] Slow loading issue
* Fixed: [ssdp] Crash on load if jnetlib was not correctly initialized
* Misc: Minimum required OS is now Win XP sp3 (Windows 7 or higher recommended)
* Misc: More general tweaks, improvements, fixes and optimizations
* Misc: Moved shared DLLs to Winamp\Shared folder
* Removed: All former "Pro" licensed functions (Winamp is now 100% freeware again)
* Removed: gen_jumpex & UnicodeTaskbarFix (making way for native implementations)
* Removed: [in_wm] DRM support
* Replaced: CD playback and ripping now using native Windows API (instead of Sonic)
* Replaced: MP3 Decoder now mpg123 based (instead of Fraunhofer)
* Replaced: AAC Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and higher)
* Replaced: H.264 Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and higher)
* Replaced: MPEG-4 Pt.2 Decoder now using Media Foundation (Vista and higher)
* Updated: [in_vorbis] libogg 1.3.3 & libvorbis 1.3.6
* Updated: [libFLAC] FLAC 1.3.2
* Updated: [libyajl] libyajl v2.1.0
* Updated: [OpenSSL] OpenSSL v1.0.1i
* Updated: [png] libpng v1.5.24

Tested with NVDA last version, Win10 Home, 64-bit, Version 1803

Other useful links:
Winamp:
https://winamp.com/
Codecs.com | Downloads for Winamp 5.8.3660 beta
http://www.free-codecs.com/winamp_download.htm
Ninite Winamp Unattended Silent Installer and Updater
This installer includes
Winamp
1. Download
https://ninite.com/winamp/ninite.exe
Your installer will begin downloading shortly.
2. Run
Just run the Ninite .exe and relax. Ninite's automation will install the apps in the background and without any toolbars or junk.

Hope this can help you.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 24/10/2018 à 00:36, Rosemarie Chavarria a écrit :
I had the classic skin but it still didn't work. That's why I went back to the older version.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

Hi!
For me, the new Winamp behaves like the old one, including being able to exit the program with alt+F4 as I have always done. I am using the Winamp Classic skin, that might make a difference.
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: mardi 23 octobre 2018 03:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

Well, thanks for the heads up on the new win amp. I'll stick with the old version until all problems have been resolved.

On 10/22/2018 6:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That didn't work either. I just tried it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't exit out of winamp

You may try alt space bar follow by c.

On 10/22/2018 6:37 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I tried exiting winamp but this new version isn't responding. Is
there a different way to get out? I tried alt f-4 and x but it didn't work.
To be honest, I hate this version of winamp!

Rosemarie














Re: Word game

john s
 

Spoonbill games has a number of word games.


At 08:30 AM 10/25/2018, farhan israk, wrote:

Is any accessible word game available for Windows 10?

                 John


Word game

farhan israk
 

Is any accessible word game available for Windows 10?


Re: Thunderbird issues from Github

René Linke <rene.linke@...>
 

Hi ethan,

Am 22.10.2018 um 04:26 schrieb Ethan:
This is a few questions for users using Thunderbir with and without braille. I was wondering if anyone could confirm if these issues still exist?

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4708

When using NVDA with braille, does the braille display show "collapsed" when arrowing through a message list or treeview in Thunderbird?
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4444
You can close this issue. In Thunderbird will be shown the collapsed / expanded lists with the + and - signs.

René


Re: Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

OK I'll try that then. We have indeed come a long way since the days when CP/M machines that could not display 80 columns had a kind of sideways scroll or flip as you crossed the edges of the screen in Wordstar.
I know I'm an old bloke, most people have never heard of either of those terms!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode


Hello Brian:

The scenario you describe typically happens because, with today's high
resolution, wide-screen monitors, Word can display 2 pages side-by-side. If
this is the case, hitting down arrow on page 1 moves to page 3, and if the
document is only 2 pages long, it does nothing. Frankly, I think this is a
bad design choice for Microsoft.

To fix this, navigate to the status bar (by pressing F6). You may have to
hit F6 more than once if you have some other panes active. Once on the
status bar, press tab until you hear Zoom In. Press the spacebar several
times to zoom in, essentially changing the viewing size of a document. Press
tab one more time to find out the exact zoom level. I find that 130 to 140 %
will ensure that only a single page is displayed.

This should fix your situation. Now that only one page is displayed on the
screen, down and up arrow across page breaks should not skip pages.

Regards, Rick

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
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Subject: [nvda] Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Has anyone noticed that some Word docs when you encounter a page break,
either will not go past it, or seem to suddenly start reading the wrong
page, like skipping page 2 and starting page 3?
If you go into browse mode of course the navigation works fine again.
It can be a little annoying when editing text near the page break.
Most of these docs are in older Word template formats. Since I do not have
newer versions, it may well be that this is fixed there.
Just wondered if anyone else had come across this strangeness. Of course
not being to see it every time is a little bit annoying as its hard to
suggest how to duplicate it for any debugging. Its on the latest stable
though.
Brian

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Re: PASTEL

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi List

I have no idea which programming language was used to set up Pastel. I
think someone misunderstood my original e-mail and thought I was talking
about Pascal. I have no idea about Pascal.

My original question was whether NVDA works with Pastel (the financial
accounting programme) as this programme is widely used in South Africa. I
received a reply in this regard that JAWS did not work with Pastel so it is
doubtful whether NVDA will.

However, I am still wondering if anyone has tested NVDA with Pastel to see
if it does read anything in the programme.

Kind regards


Heaven Botma
Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder
20 Adderley Street, Worcester
T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835
www.innovationfortheblind.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2018 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PASTEL

So, are you saying that you know that the Pastel accounting software is
written in (some dialect of) the Pascal language? How do you know?

Even if this is true, then presumably only the developers of the application
could "make it more accessible"; there's nothing the end-user can do.

Alternatively, maybe you're simply making a comment about some programming
language, which has nothing to do with the original question?


Regards,


Antony,

On Thursday 25 October 2018 at 03:10:59, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Right! And I am telling him that I don't know if software made with
Pascal is accessible, but that programs made with another branch of
pascal can be made to be so. Is there anything wrong with that? sir?

On 24/10/2018 10:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
We are not talking about programming languages; we're talking about a
financial accounting application.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastel_Accounting

Antony.

On Wednesday 24 October 2018 at 15:36:17, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I don't know if Pascal is, but Delphi, which is a dialect of Open
Pascal
can be made to be accessible

On 24/10/2018 12:45 PM, Heaven Botma wrote:
Dear List

Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial
accounting application in South African businesses?

Thank you.

Kind regards

Heaven Botma
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Re: NVDA with Windows 10 OCR

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Clarissa,

I haven't encountered that one before, would it be possible please to get a copy of your log, ideally at debug level, to investigate?

If you press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with debug logging" and press ENTER, NVDA will restart and collect more information in the log.  Then, if you can recreate the issue (find an image, press NVDA+R and get the error), then press NVDA+F1 to open the log, and copy the contents (CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy) into an email to me (CONTROL+V to paste in the body of the message, ideally with a few words of explanation) and email to info@..., I'll have a look further.  

The only two questions I can think of at this stage are:

- Do you have the OCR add-on installed?  If so, try uninstalling that as it may be interfering.
- If you have just recently installed NVDA, have you restarted the computer?  If not, try restarting the PC then see if the problem persists.  Otherwise, I'm interested to get to the bottom of it.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:39 PM Clarissa Mitchell <MusicGirl712@...> wrote:
Hello all. I've heard that NVDA is supposed to work with the built-in
OCR feature of Windows 10, but whenever I try to press insert+r it
says "recognizer not found." What does this mean? Do I need to do
something specific in order to get OCR working? I'm using the latest
NVDA with the latest Windows 10 build.





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Re: Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Rick
 

Hello Brian:

The scenario you describe typically happens because, with today's high
resolution, wide-screen monitors, Word can display 2 pages side-by-side. If
this is the case, hitting down arrow on page 1 moves to page 3, and if the
document is only 2 pages long, it does nothing. Frankly, I think this is a
bad design choice for Microsoft.

To fix this, navigate to the status bar (by pressing F6). You may have to
hit F6 more than once if you have some other panes active. Once on the
status bar, press tab until you hear Zoom In. Press the spacebar several
times to zoom in, essentially changing the viewing size of a document. Press
tab one more time to find out the exact zoom level. I find that 130 to 140 %
will ensure that only a single page is displayed.

This should fix your situation. Now that only one page is displayed on the
screen, down and up arrow across page breaks should not skip pages.

Regards, Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Has anyone noticed that some Word docs when you encounter a page break,
either will not go past it, or seem to suddenly start reading the wrong
page, like skipping page 2 and starting page 3?
If you go into browse mode of course the navigation works fine again.
It can be a little annoying when editing text near the page break.
Most of these docs are in older Word template formats. Since I do not have
newer versions, it may well be that this is fixed there.
Just wondered if anyone else had come across this strangeness. Of course
not being to see it every time is a little bit annoying as its hard to
suggest how to duplicate it for any debugging. Its on the latest stable
though.
Brian

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Re: PASTEL

Antony Stone
 

So, are you saying that you know that the Pastel accounting software is
written in (some dialect of) the Pascal language? How do you know?

Even if this is true, then presumably only the developers of the application
could "make it more accessible"; there's nothing the end-user can do.

Alternatively, maybe you're simply making a comment about some programming
language, which has nothing to do with the original question?


Regards,


Antony,

On Thursday 25 October 2018 at 03:10:59, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Right! And I am telling him that I don't know if software made with
Pascal is accessible, but that programs made with another branch of
pascal can be made to be so. Is there anything wrong with that? sir?

On 24/10/2018 10:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
We are not talking about programming languages; we're talking about a
financial accounting application.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastel_Accounting

Antony.

On Wednesday 24 October 2018 at 15:36:17, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I don't know if Pascal is, but Delphi, which is a dialect of Open Pascal
can be made to be accessible

On 24/10/2018 12:45 PM, Heaven Botma wrote:
Dear List

Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial
accounting application in South African businesses?

Thank you.

Kind regards

Heaven Botma
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3 logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks "Do you all want a drink?"
The first logician says "I don't know."
The second logician says "I don't know."
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Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Has anyone noticed that some Word docs when you encounter a page break, either will not go past it, or seem to suddenly start reading the wrong page, like skipping page 2 and starting page 3?
If you go into browse mode of course the navigation works fine again.
It can be a little annoying when editing text near the page break.
Most of these docs are in older Word template formats. Since I do not have newer versions, it may well be that this is fixed there.
Just wondered if anyone else had come across this strangeness. Of course not being to see it every time is a little bit annoying as its hard to suggest how to duplicate it for any debugging. Its on the latest stable though.
Brian

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Re: PASTEL

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Dear André


Thank you for your answer.

 

I wonder if anything has changed in the interim, as I have found a few programmes which are inaccessible with JAWS and which are workable with NVDA and vice versa.  Take MS Access for instance, JAWS reads very little, but NVDA reads more.

 

What would be the best way to test Pastel (the financial programme) to see if anything has changed?  I am asking, as I know people who use Pastel for accounting on a daily bases.

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andre Vosloo
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PASTEL

 

Hi Heaven

 

I doubt if it would.  Pastel in itself is not very accessible I handled queries like this before.  I Once tried Jaws on it and WE, no luck.  As I said the interface itself is not very user friendly for blind people.\\regards

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Heaven Botma
Sent: 24 October 2018 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PASTEL

 

Dear List

 

Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial accounting application in South African businesses?

 

Thank you.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 


Financial Literacy game for a student

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

We received a query from someone wanting an accessible financial literacy game for a student.  Can anyone offer any suggestions, please?

Regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


NVDA with Windows 10 OCR

Clarissa Mitchell
 

Hello all. I've heard that NVDA is supposed to work with the built-in
OCR feature of Windows 10, but whenever I try to press insert+r it
says "recognizer not found." What does this mean? Do I need to do
something specific in order to get OCR working? I'm using the latest
NVDA with the latest Windows 10 build.