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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

Not that I have anything against refurbished (the laptop I'm posting from is a factory refurbished HP) but the Logitech K270 at techrabbit is refurbished.

It's one of the Logitech models that has a generously sized context menu key, so it does make it a bit easier to find.

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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Ok, one more, (I promise, this is the last message)

You can buy it from tech rabbit for $14.99 at:

https://www.techrabbit.com/logitech-k270-wireless-keyboard.html?sku=LOG-K270-BK-B1&condition=271

Never heard of techrabbit, so no idea if they're useful or not, but that's the keyboard I have, and it's a pretty good one.  I've dropped mine several times, and the worst I have to show for it is the fact that I lost the battery cover, so I taped over it so the batteries wouldn't fall out. :)

On 10/25/2018 9:50 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Apparently, the 820-006477 is the part number, the model number is k270.

Hope this helps.


On 10/25/2018 9:44 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:
At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Apparently, the 820-006477 is the part number, the model number is k270.

Hope this helps.

On 10/25/2018 9:44 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:
At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Gene
 

I'm not sure why that is.  while it may not be as convenient as alt f4, I would think that muscle memory would cause you to land at about the right place after you got used to it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

perhaps you are right, but i have been using my laptop keyboard for a year now and I did not get used.
Finding the f10 key is not as easy as finding applications, since you have so many keys in the same line. Maybe I can use a sticker so that I can touch and find it quickly.

Enviada via iPhone

Em 25 de out de 2018, à(s) 21:31, Lenron <lenron93@...> escreveu:

> At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
> driving me mad trying to find one.
>
>> On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Lenron
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>
>>
>> if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
>> please let me know.
>>
>>> On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
>>> I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>> From: Lenron
>>> Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>>
>>> I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
>>> with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
>>> the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
>>> decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
>>>
>>>> On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>>>> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
>>>> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
>>>> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
>>>> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
>>>> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.
>>>>
>>>> Take care
>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
>>>>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
>>>>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
>>>>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
>>>>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an
>>>>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
>>>>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
>>>>>> sense
>>>>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
>>>>>> story
>>>>>> at the moment).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
>>>>>> task at
>>>>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>> layout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
>>>>>> expert (or
>>>>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
>>>>>> counsellor
>>>>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
>>>>>> given
>>>>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
>>>>>> teaching;
>>>>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
>>>>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
>>>>>> within their
>>>>>> minds and souls).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
>>>>>> to be an
>>>>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
>>>>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
>>>>>> workaround or tips on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rechell Schwartz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (212)919-3853
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> attachments
>>>>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
>>>>>> exempt
>>>>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message
>>>>>> is not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
>>>>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
>>>>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
>>>>>> attachments. Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Cell: 985-271-2832
>>> Skype: ron.brown762
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.

On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:
At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



  _____





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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.

On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:
At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 05:58 PM, Lenron wrote:
if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Onn-Soft-Touch-Wireless-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Black/16794991

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Logitech-Wireless-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Combo/605403536  (and the context menu key is large on this one)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-K3500-Wireless-Keyboard/37881494

And that's just for starters.  The applications/context menu key is far from dead.
 
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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Daniel Damacena
 

perhaps you are right, but i have been using my laptop keyboard for a year now and I did not get used.
Finding the f10 key is not as easy as finding applications, since you have so many keys in the same line. Maybe I can use a sticker so that I can touch and find it quickly.

Enviada via iPhone

Em 25 de out de 2018, à(s) 21:31, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> escreveu:

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Lenron
 

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Gene
 

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
> I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Lenron
> Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>
> I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
> with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
> the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
> decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
>
> On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
>> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
>> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
>> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
>> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>
>>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
>>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
>>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
>>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
>>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an
>>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
>>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
>>> <joseph.lee22590@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
>>>> laptop
>>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
>>>> sense
>>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
>>>> story
>>>> at the moment).
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
>>>> on
>>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
>>>> an
>>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
>>>> screen
>>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
>>>> task at
>>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
>>>> keyboard
>>>> layout.
>>>>
>>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
>>>> how to
>>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
>>>> better to
>>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
>>>> them
>>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
>>>> expert (or
>>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
>>>> counsellor
>>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
>>>> the
>>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
>>>> one
>>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
>>>> given
>>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
>>>> good
>>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
>>>> teaching;
>>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
>>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
>>>> even
>>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
>>>> within their
>>>> minds and souls).
>>>>
>>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
>>>> to be an
>>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
>>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
>>>> the
>>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
>>>> workaround or tips on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Rechell Schwartz
>>>>
>>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn
>>>>
>>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX
>>>>
>>>> (212)919-3853
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> attachments
>>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
>>>> exempt
>>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message
>>>> is not
>>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
>>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
>>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify
>>>> the
>>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
>>>> attachments. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Gene
 

I suspect if you had been doing it as long as you used the context menu key, you would take it for granted.
 
Gene

----- Original Message ------
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

 

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> Take care

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 


Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

Gene
 

Fastest compared to what?  I don't know how common it is, but I see some people say Thunderbird is slow on their machines.  But Windows Live Mail is a full e-mail program, not an app with features more advanced users may want not available, from comments I've seen, and its fast in Windows 7.  I believe it runs well on Windows 10 based on the small amount of discussion I've seen but others who use it in Windows 10 will, I hope, comment further..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

I needed some time to get used to windos 10 mail app, but it has paid off, since it is fastest and really simple to use.

I miss a keyboard shortcut to attach files, but it`s not a big deal to press alt, to press enter on insert and select file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: quarta-feira, 24 de outubro de 2018 17:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

 

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.

 

Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









 


Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Lenron
 

if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





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attachments
to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
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from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message
is not
the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
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prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify
the
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Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Daniel Damacena
 

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

 

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> Take care

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 


Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

Daniel Damacena
 

I needed some time to get used to windos 10 mail app, but it has paid off, since it is fastest and really simple to use.

I miss a keyboard shortcut to attach files, but it`s not a big deal to press alt, to press enter on insert and select file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: quarta-feira, 24 de outubro de 2018 17:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

 

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.

 

Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









 


Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Daniel Damacena
 

Totally agree.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

 

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> Take care

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

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Braillepen 12 touch

ann
 

Hi,


I am trying to use the latest NVDA with a Braillepen 12 touch display. I've downloaded the BP12 driver, but each time I go in to braille settings  and select this as my display, I get an error saying "cannot load braille display driver".


Just as a test, I had a friend of mine try and connect their Braillenote Apex as a display, and we got the same error message. The only two selections that don't give an error are the Automatic setting, which does not detect the BP12 or the No Braille setting.


Any suggestions?

~Ann


Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

Daniel Damacena
 

Press NVDA + shift + s. In the box ~audioducking~, set as below?

Audio ducking mode: Duck when outputting speech and sounds

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 15:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

 

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

 


Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

Gerardo Corripio
 

OH wow I didn’t realice Audioducking has a shortcut! Thanks for the tip! Yes I tried it and yes it switches among the options! Thanks again!

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: hurrikennyandopo ...
Enviado: jueves, 25 de octubre de 2018 01:18 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

 

Hi

 

You probably are aware of the shortcut and what it does.

 

But there depending which one you choose will always duck or only when nvda speaks. But it also says about certain synths.

 

Audio Ducking Mode
Key: NVDA+shift+d
On Windows 8 and above, this option allows you to choose if NVDA should lower the volume of other applications while NVDA is speaking, or all the time while NVDA is running.
• No Ducking: NVDA will never lower the volume of other audio.
• Duck when outputting speech and sounds: NVDA will only lower the volume of other audio when NVDA is speaking or playing sounds. This may not work for all synthesizers.
• Always duck: NVDA will keep the volume of other audio lower the whole time NVDA is running.
This option is only available if NVDA has been installed. It is not possible to support audio ducking for portable and temporary copies of NVDA.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 26/10/2018 7:06 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

 

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Re: Audioducking sticks after NVDA stops speaking?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


You probably are aware of the shortcut and what it does.


But there depending which one you choose will always duck or only when nvda speaks. But it also says about certain synths.


Audio Ducking Mode
Key: NVDA+shift+d
On Windows 8 and above, this option allows you to choose if NVDA should lower the volume of other applications while NVDA is speaking, or all the time while NVDA is running.
• No Ducking: NVDA will never lower the volume of other audio.
• Duck when outputting speech and sounds: NVDA will only lower the volume of other audio when NVDA is speaking or playing sounds. This may not work for all synthesizers.
• Always duck: NVDA will keep the volume of other audio lower the whole time NVDA is running.
This option is only available if NVDA has been installed. It is not possible to support audio ducking for portable and temporary copies of NVDA.


Gene nz



On 26/10/2018 7:06 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Let’s say I opened up an Audio file; I’ve enabled Audioducking in NVDA, thus when the file starts playing (it defaults to the Groove player) Audioducking remains on, even though NVDA has finished speaking, until I press one of the arrows! Is this normal? Is there a setting to set up how long Audio-ducking should remain on or turn off, after NVDA stops speaking?Audio

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.