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Re: discord accessibility

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I have no problem with discord either the web site or the application.  Admittedly, it takes a bit of NVDA cursor manipulation to get the chat info properly, but it does work.  Sure, it'd be nice to have the speech automatically read new text as it comes in, but it's still usable as is.


On 10/29/2018 8:43 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

I'm using discord reasonably enough. It does take some doing, but for what I do it's usable. Granted what I do is not all that much - I voice chat and text chat.


That being said, discord is *finally* taking accessibility seriously. Whether or not it's too late remains to be seen but recently, the mute and deafen buttons have finally gotten labeled, for instance.


Run the discord canary windows builds over at

https://discordapp.com/api/download/canary?platform=win


You'll get updates daily and, despite the slow progress of accessibility improving, it very slowly is.


Hope that helps a little.


On 2018-10-29 7:39 PM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
well, discord is mainly a platform for gamer, isn't it? It seemed not a platform that will pay much attention to accessibility.


Robert Kingett 於 29/10/2018 23:04 寫道:

You have a point, poster #3. I've been trying to get the developers to at least post accessibility updates, challenges, and the like, but things are moving sooooo slowly and, in some cases, not at all. It's a shame because while Slack is starting to become very accessible, everybody is moving onto Discord. Sigh. I love the idea of discord. I'm limited to slack though. Despite what many believe, many people still IM and email from a desktop.





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Re: NVDA and task manager

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It doesn't matter.  If the task ended or not makes no difference to you as a user, because you can't press end task a second time.  After pressing end task, the task either goes away immediately, in which case, you're dropped back on the list of tasks, or it doesn't, and you're left on the end task column.  Tabbing back to the task list may or may not show the task still, but it's immaterial, because clicking end task on it a second time simply gives an error, because the task manager has already scheduled the program for ending, so you don't need to worry about it, just move on to the next program you'd like to end.


On 10/29/2018 9:16 PM, Gene wrote:
If you have to tab back, how do you know the task has been ended.  You may be in the dialog because the task hasn't ended yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

The behavior of task manager is highly dependent on how busy your machine is at the time you end the task.  I've discovered that if the machine is running well, then  pressing alt-E for end task does indeed move you to the next task in the list, because it removes the one you're on.  However, if the machine is busy, then end task leaves the NVDA cursor on the end task column, and you need to tab 2 or 3 times to get back to the list of processes.  I'm guessing this is because whatever event NVDA triggers after pressing end task doesn't fire when the cpu is heavily loaded.  However, simply tabbing back to the correct column allows you to continue along as if it did operate properly.


On 10/29/2018 5:40 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't clear to me what is happening.  When you press the end task button, the end task dialog comes up and asks if you are sure.  When you answer yes, that dialog closes and the task ends.  When do you see the dialog and if you respond, what happens?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

before moving to NVDA 20183.x If I deleted a task in task manager it would move me to the next task in line. Now when I delete a task focus moves to the "end task" dialog instead of staying in the list of tasks.


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Re: NVDA and task manager

Gene
 

If you have to tab back, how do you know the task has been ended.  You may be in the dialog because the task hasn't ended yet.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

The behavior of task manager is highly dependent on how busy your machine is at the time you end the task.  I've discovered that if the machine is running well, then  pressing alt-E for end task does indeed move you to the next task in the list, because it removes the one you're on.  However, if the machine is busy, then end task leaves the NVDA cursor on the end task column, and you need to tab 2 or 3 times to get back to the list of processes.  I'm guessing this is because whatever event NVDA triggers after pressing end task doesn't fire when the cpu is heavily loaded.  However, simply tabbing back to the correct column allows you to continue along as if it did operate properly.


On 10/29/2018 5:40 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't clear to me what is happening.  When you press the end task button, the end task dialog comes up and asks if you are sure.  When you answer yes, that dialog closes and the task ends.  When do you see the dialog and if you respond, what happens?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

before moving to NVDA 20183.x If I deleted a task in task manager it would move me to the next task in line. Now when I delete a task focus moves to the "end task" dialog instead of staying in the list of tasks.


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Re: discord accessibility

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Discord is a chat platform that can be used for gaming chat, but it can also be used for many other things. I know I myself have a server I’d like to join, but not until they make the improvements to the web interface as I’m really tired of installing clients for things lol.


Re: discord accessibility

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I'm using discord reasonably enough. It does take some doing, but for what I do it's usable. Granted what I do is not all that much - I voice chat and text chat.


That being said, discord is *finally* taking accessibility seriously. Whether or not it's too late remains to be seen but recently, the mute and deafen buttons have finally gotten labeled, for instance.


Run the discord canary windows builds over at

https://discordapp.com/api/download/canary?platform=win


You'll get updates daily and, despite the slow progress of accessibility improving, it very slowly is.


Hope that helps a little.


On 2018-10-29 7:39 PM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
well, discord is mainly a platform for gamer, isn't it? It seemed not a platform that will pay much attention to accessibility.


Robert Kingett 於 29/10/2018 23:04 寫道:

You have a point, poster #3. I've been trying to get the developers to at least post accessibility updates, challenges, and the like, but things are moving sooooo slowly and, in some cases, not at all. It's a shame because while Slack is starting to become very accessible, everybody is moving onto Discord. Sigh. I love the idea of discord. I'm limited to slack though. Despite what many believe, many people still IM and email from a desktop.




Re: NVDA and task manager

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The behavior of task manager is highly dependent on how busy your machine is at the time you end the task.  I've discovered that if the machine is running well, then  pressing alt-E for end task does indeed move you to the next task in the list, because it removes the one you're on.  However, if the machine is busy, then end task leaves the NVDA cursor on the end task column, and you need to tab 2 or 3 times to get back to the list of processes.  I'm guessing this is because whatever event NVDA triggers after pressing end task doesn't fire when the cpu is heavily loaded.  However, simply tabbing back to the correct column allows you to continue along as if it did operate properly.


On 10/29/2018 5:40 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't clear to me what is happening.  When you press the end task button, the end task dialog comes up and asks if you are sure.  When you answer yes, that dialog closes and the task ends.  When do you see the dialog and if you respond, what happens?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

before moving to NVDA 20183.x If I deleted a task in task manager it would move me to the next task in line. Now when I delete a task focus moves to the "end task" dialog instead of staying in the list of tasks.


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Re: discord accessibility

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

well, discord is mainly a platform for gamer, isn't it? It seemed not a platform that will pay much attention to accessibility.


Robert Kingett 於 29/10/2018 23:04 寫道:

You have a point, poster #3. I've been trying to get the developers to at least post accessibility updates, challenges, and the like, but things are moving sooooo slowly and, in some cases, not at all. It's a shame because while Slack is starting to become very accessible, everybody is moving onto Discord. Sigh. I love the idea of discord. I'm limited to slack though. Despite what many believe, many people still IM and email from a desktop.



Re: NVDA latest beta

Earle Zwicker
 

You can always go to:
There you will find all available snapshots as well as links to the latest changes.

Earle Zwicker


On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Fernando Paixão <fernandofpoliveira3@...> wrote:

Friend, sorry, it's the last Alpha please,


is what I'm using with the final 116, what has changed?


Em 29/10/18 19:27, Antony Stone escreveu:
The last beta release I can find was 2018.3.1rc1 on September 19th.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/commits/4323a48c7c1cfa798ae4320b23426072d667452b 
is the changelog for it.

If you know of a more recent beta version, please give us a link to it.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 29 October 2018 at 21:56:46, Fernando Paixão wrote:

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on
NVDA latest beta that came out today



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Re: Dynamic Change of Document Title and Languages

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

That looks useful for error handling, but it doesn’t help with the specifics of dynamically changing langaues or titles.

The <title> tag or the <html> tag cannot have aria-live regions set on them.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dynamic Change of Document Title and Languages

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 7:20 PM Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io <rechell_schwartz=glic.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am a software developer working on developing an accessible application. It uses Angular, which dynamically refreshes the language (based on a user’s action) as well as the document title without refreshing the page. NVDA is unable to detect the change in the <title> tag or the <html> tag.

 

Will NVDA only detect those changes if there is a page refresh?


any ideas on how to make this work?


 

 

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Re: Dynamic Change of Document Title and Languages

Marshall handheld Flax
 


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 7:20 PM Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io <rechell_schwartz=glic.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am a software developer working on developing an accessible application. It uses Angular, which dynamically refreshes the language (based on a user’s action) as well as the document title without refreshing the page. NVDA is unable to detect the change in the <title> tag or the <html> tag.

 

Will NVDA only detect those changes if there is a page refresh?


any ideas on how to make this work?


 


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Dynamic Change of Document Title and Languages

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hello,

 

I am a software developer working on developing an accessible application. It uses Angular, which dynamically refreshes the language (based on a user’s action) as well as the document title without refreshing the page. NVDA is unable to detect the change in the <title> tag or the <html> tag.

 

Will NVDA only detect those changes if there is a page refresh?


any ideas on how to make this work?


 


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Re: NVDA latest beta

Fernando Paixão
 

Friend, sorry, it's the last Alpha please,


is what I'm using with the final 116, what has changed?


Em 29/10/18 19:27, Antony Stone escreveu:

The last beta release I can find was 2018.3.1rc1 on September 19th.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/commits/4323a48c7c1cfa798ae4320b23426072d667452b 
is the changelog for it.

If you know of a more recent beta version, please give us a link to it.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 29 October 2018 at 21:56:46, Fernando Paixão wrote:

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on
NVDA latest beta that came out today



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Re: NVDA latest beta

Antony Stone
 

The last beta release I can find was 2018.3.1rc1 on September 19th.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/commits/4323a48c7c1cfa798ae4320b23426072d667452b
is the changelog for it.

If you know of a more recent beta version, please give us a link to it.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 29 October 2018 at 21:56:46, Fernando Paixão wrote:

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on
NVDA latest beta that came out today


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NVDA latest beta

Fernando Paixão
 

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on NVDA latest beta that came out today


Re: Phonetic spelling

Gene
 

Janet and all
 
Numpad 8 pressed three times will spell every word in the current line.  if you just want to spell the word you are on, use numpad 5 pressed three times.  For the current character, use numpad 2 three times.  do you know the review keys so you can move using the numpad without moving the cursor if that's what you want to do?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phonetic spelling

hello.
on the contrary, i hate this feature.
its annoying if i press insert up arrow more than twice accidentaly.
its on by default since nvda 2017.2 and unfortunately there is no any
option to disable it.
just press nvda up arrow three times to make this feature work.

On 10/29/18, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> How can I turn on phonetic spelling in NVDA? I’m learning Spanish and need
> to see the spelling of the words. It’s sometimes difficult to determine the
> right vowel as the sounds can be very similar.
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>
>


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Re: Reading "Say All" at the Top of the Page

Gene
 

It isn't clear, but I think you are asking about a web page. 
 
F5 refreshes the web page.  That isn't necessary.  Use control home, the exact command you use to move to the top of any document.  Browse mode uses all the same commands you can use in any standard edit field, control home for top of document, control end for end, etc.  Browse mode emulates a cursor being present even though there isn't one.
 
Do you know the quick navigation commands such as h for move to the next heading, e, move to the next edit field, n, skip block of links, etc?
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading "Say All" at the Top of the Page

Hello,

 

Suppose I am in Edit mode, and I want to switch to “Say All” mode, and start reading from the beginning of the page, not where I left off. What I currently do is press Insert + space. Then I press Insert + F5 to get me to the beginning of the page, then I Press Insert + down arrow to start reading from the beginning of the page.

 

Is there a more direct way to accomplish this?

 

 

 


 


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Re: NVDA and task manager

Gene
 

It isn't clear to me what is happening.  When you press the end task button, the end task dialog comes up and asks if you are sure.  When you answer yes, that dialog closes and the task ends.  When do you see the dialog and if you respond, what happens?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

before moving to NVDA 20183.x If I deleted a task in task manager it would move me to the next task in line. Now when I delete a task focus moves to the "end task" dialog instead of staying in the list of tasks.


Re: strange sounds in Windows settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm thinkign that is a progress bar. If you have a mic attached or somethingn it will do that. Mine does that all the time, I just turn progress bars off or control tab to the choices section.


On 28 Oct 2018, at 11:01, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi all,

I have another curious sound problem with NVDA. Wehn I go into Win10 settings I often get a lot of garbled beeping whilst NVDA is speaking. It does this on my current laptop and it was doing it on my old laptop too.

I've made a short recording as an example becuase it's hard to describe without the audio. It was doing this in the bluetooth settings and the sound settings today.

http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Win10-settings-noise_REC007.mp3

and, in case the post truncates the link, here's a shorter version which you just need to copy and paste into the address bar and delete the spaces: https:// bit.ly/ 2OaTHqv

Is there a reason NVDA does this and is there any way of working around it?

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Where can I find a complete list of Windows shortcut keys?

 

P.S.:  There is a dropdown at the top of the previously mentioned page that lets you select from Windows 10, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 with regard to shortcuts.

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Re: Where can I find a complete list of Windows shortcut keys?

 

From the Microsoft Support site:  Windows 10 Keyboard Shortcuts 
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