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Re: NVDA and Chrome 51

David Moore
 

You are very welcome. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Paton
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome 51

thanks for your observations david.


Joe
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:21:21 -0400
"David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi,
Different web sites work better on different browsers. With Chrome, Facebook does not work that well with a screen reader. Now Chrome does work great if you want to stream media or play videos. For Facebook, IE still works the best and Firefox works well if you want to do a lot of filling out forms. All three browsers are good for different things. I would not try using Google Chrome for everything. Just for searching and streaming media, watching news playing pod casts, playing a movie, and stuff like that with Google Chrome. Take care, and I hope this helps a little bit.


From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome 51

Not completely sure, but I'd guess it to be more of an issue in google's side of things. It's not the first time I've seen this and similar problems with chrome and herd of others seeing the same. I've always herd it mentioned that it's do to google not necessarily following all the standards for accessibility, but I don't know much about that.
Hope this helps.
Tc.


On 6/4/2016 5:11 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi,

When I tried NVDA (latest version) with Chrome 51, NVDA still doesn't read the character that I've deleted in a number of text boxes, specifically the Facebook status composing box and I think this applies to all textareas.

Is this a NVDA bug or a Chrome bug?


Re: nvda and win 10

Chris
 

I've never seen nvda in eoa



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: 04 June 2016 22:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and win 10

Ever since nvda 20015-4 I think that's when it happened, nvda is supposed to show up in Ease Of Access Center.  It does show up there in my laptop running Win 10.

Roger








On 6/4/2016 3:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Roger,

           Not that this helps much, but it is another data point.  I have NVDA, JAWS, and Window Eyes all installed on my Win10 Home 64-bit laptop and none of them have ever had anything appear related to them in the Windows Ease of Access Center.  I'm interested to learn that they ever did, since I always thought the Ease of Access Center's sole purpose was to control the accessibility features shipped as a part of the Windows OS, not to deal with any third party software.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: Question About Portable Installation of NVDA

Joe Paton
 

Hi Ron,

Might this be a drive letter problem? Can you check with narrator?

Just some thoughts late at night in the uk.

Joe

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:59:14 -0400
"Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,


Well, I got my new old back up computer--a Windows 7 with 4 GB RAM and a duel core processor.


I do not have speech on it. This was semi-deliberate. That is to say, the seller wasn't familiar with that type of thing. I got the system set up and it boots into Windows; no problem. I thought I'd be cool and advanced and create a portable version of NVDA to gain audible access to the system. I created it from the 2016.2 installer no problem. I placed it on a USB drive and created a shortcut so that when I heard the Windows sound on the new system for USB active, I could just press the corresponding first letter to navigate to the shortcut and press enter. It worked fine on my new main system. I tried this on the new old system and for some reason, It doesn't work. When I highlight the shortcut that i created which begins with an exclamation point, and press enter, nothing happens. What could I be doing wrong?



-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda and win 10

 

Hi,

Try:

1.       Open General settings.

2.       Uncheck “Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows” and “Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges)” checkboxes, press ENTER, and answer “yes” when prompted.

3.       Repeat step 2, but check the boxes.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and win 10

 

Ever since nvda 20015-4 I think that's when it happened, nvda is supposed to show up in Ease Of Access Center.  It does show up there in my laptop running Win 10.

Roger








On 6/4/2016 3:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Roger,

           Not that this helps much, but it is another data point.  I have NVDA, JAWS, and Window Eyes all installed on my Win10 Home 64-bit laptop and none of them have ever had anything appear related to them in the Windows Ease of Access Center.  I'm interested to learn that they ever did, since I always thought the Ease of Access Center's sole purpose was to control the accessibility features shipped as a part of the Windows OS, not to deal with any third party software.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 

 


Re: nvda and win 10

Roger Stewart
 

Ever since nvda 20015-4 I think that's when it happened, nvda is supposed to show up in Ease Of Access Center.  It does show up there in my laptop running Win 10.

Roger








On 6/4/2016 3:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Roger,

           Not that this helps much, but it is another data point.  I have NVDA, JAWS, and Window Eyes all installed on my Win10 Home 64-bit laptop and none of them have ever had anything appear related to them in the Windows Ease of Access Center.  I'm interested to learn that they ever did, since I always thought the Ease of Access Center's sole purpose was to control the accessibility features shipped as a part of the Windows OS, not to deal with any third party software.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Question About Portable Installation of NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Well, I got my new old back up computer--a Windows 7 with 4 GB RAM and a duel core processor.


I do not have speech on it. This was semi-deliberate. That is to say, the seller wasn't familiar with that type of thing. I got the system set up and it boots into Windows; no problem. I thought I'd be cool and advanced and create a portable version of NVDA to gain audible access to the system. I created it from the 2016.2 installer no problem. I placed it on a USB drive and created a shortcut so that when I heard the Windows sound on the new system for USB active, I could just press the corresponding first letter to navigate to the shortcut and press enter. It worked fine on my new main system. I tried this on the new old system and for some reason, It doesn't work. When I highlight the shortcut that i created which begins with an exclamation point, and press enter, nothing happens. What could I be doing wrong?



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda and win 10

Roger Stewart
 

Well, the nvda icon is still on the desktop and in the volume control and in the system tray so all seems good.

On 6/4/2016 3:55 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi roger,
I would try installing NVDA again on your desktop. Actually, any screen reader should be uninstalled and then reinstalled after up grading to win10. NVDA should show up in your notification area with your volume and those icons. You should also have a NVDA icon on your desktop. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and win 10

My desktop was just forced to upgrade to Win 10. This seems to have
worked just fine. However, nvda isn't showing up at all in Ease Of
Access Center as it is on my laptop with Win 10. Can anyone help?


Thanks.


Roger







.


Re: nvda and win 10

 

Roger,

           Not that this helps much, but it is another data point.  I have NVDA, JAWS, and Window Eyes all installed on my Win10 Home 64-bit laptop and none of them have ever had anything appear related to them in the Windows Ease of Access Center.  I'm interested to learn that they ever did, since I always thought the Ease of Access Center's sole purpose was to control the accessibility features shipped as a part of the Windows OS, not to deal with any third party software.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: nvda and win 10

David Moore
 

Hi roger,
I would try installing NVDA again on your desktop. Actually, any screen reader should be uninstalled and then reinstalled after up grading to win10. NVDA should show up in your notification area with your volume and those icons. You should also have a NVDA icon on your desktop. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and win 10

My desktop was just forced to upgrade to Win 10. This seems to have
worked just fine. However, nvda isn't showing up at all in Ease Of
Access Center as it is on my laptop with Win 10. Can anyone help?


Thanks.


Roger


nvda and win 10

Roger Stewart
 

My desktop was just forced to upgrade to Win 10. This seems to have worked just fine. However, nvda isn't showing up at all in Ease Of Access Center as it is on my laptop with Win 10. Can anyone help?


Thanks.


Roger


To Turn Fast Boot OFF so that the Windows Start Sound plays upon starting up from a shut down

 

        One disables Fast Start through Control Panel, Power Options dialog, "choose what the power button does" link.  Then, once on that page, there is a link at the top that says "Change Settings that are currently unavailable" which, once activated, makes the Checkbox for "Turn on Fast Start (recommended)" able to be unchecked (it's checked by default).
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: NVDA and Chrome 51

Joe Paton
 

thanks for your observations david.


Joe

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:21:21 -0400
"David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi,
Different web sites work better on different browsers. With Chrome, Facebook does not work that well with a screen reader. Now Chrome does work great if you want to stream media or play videos. For Facebook, IE still works the best and Firefox works well if you want to do a lot of filling out forms. All three browsers are good for different things. I would not try using Google Chrome for everything. Just for searching and streaming media, watching news playing pod casts, playing a movie, and stuff like that with Google Chrome. Take care, and I hope this helps a little bit.


From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome 51

Not completely sure, but I'd guess it to be more of an issue in google's side of things. It's not the first time I've seen this and similar problems with chrome and herd of others seeing the same. I've always herd it mentioned that it's do to google not necessarily following all the standards for accessibility, but I don't know much about that.
Hope this helps.
Tc.


On 6/4/2016 5:11 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi,

When I tried NVDA (latest version) with Chrome 51, NVDA still doesn't read the character that I've deleted in a number of text boxes, specifically the Facebook status composing box and I think this applies to all textareas.

Is this a NVDA bug or a Chrome bug?


Re: NVDA and Chrome 51

David Moore
 

Hi,
Different web sites work better on different browsers. With Chrome, Facebook does not work that well with a screen reader. Now Chrome does work great if you want to stream media or play videos. For Facebook, IE still works the best and Firefox works well if you want to do a lot of filling out forms. All three browsers are good for different things. I would not try using Google Chrome for everything. Just for searching and streaming media, watching news playing pod casts, playing a movie, and stuff like that with Google Chrome. Take care, and I hope this helps a little bit.
 
 

From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome 51
 
Not completely sure, but I'd guess it to be more of an issue in google's side of things. It's not the first time I've seen this and similar problems with chrome and herd of others seeing the same. I've always herd it mentioned that it's do to google not necessarily following all the standards for accessibility, but I don't know much about that.
Hope this helps.
Tc.

On 6/4/2016 5:11 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi,

When I tried NVDA (latest version) with Chrome 51, NVDA still doesn't read the character that I've deleted in a number of text boxes, specifically the Facebook status composing box and I think this applies to all textareas.

Is this a NVDA bug or a Chrome bug?



Re: Itunes update

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Ingrid,
I am unaware if this is an iTunes or NVDA issue. I do have something that may help. You could try downloading the following addon for NVDA.
http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html
It may help. It is supposed to allow you to move the mouse using the keyboard.
Chris


Itunes update

Ingrid-Merethe Berget <iberget1@...>
 

Hi,

I updated to the newest version of Itunes. Luckily NVDA and iTunes have begun to communicate again. But now there's a new problem: When I try to synchronize my iPod (i choose which playlists to synchronize manually) Nvda reads out where I am (artist, album,...) but it doesn't read the playlists in the checkbox dialogue, where I choose which playlists i want to have on my iPod. I should specify, that NVDA reads the playlists just fine when a mouse is used, but not when I use the arrow keys, which is my only way of input.

Anyone else have that problem? And is this an iTunes or a NVDA issue?


Ingrid-Merethe


Re: WIN 10 startup sound

Arlene
 

Sure. I know some people will like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June-04-16 8:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WIN 10 startup sound

 

Yep, but getting it to actually play is a bit more complicated than it used to be.

With the advent of Windows 8 a new feature called Fast Start is enabled by default.  When this is enabled shutting down your computer does not really shut down your computer but instead puts it into a modified version of hibernation where the full system state is stored in a hibernation file (hiberfile) but the user state (e.g., the programs you were running, etc.) is not included like it is in full hibernation.  So, when you restart a system that has been shut down using shut down you will not get the startup sound if Fast Start is enabled.  You will always get the startup sound when you do a Restart because, oddly, this forces a full shut down before automatically kicking off a system boot from scratch.

If you want to turn off Fast Start I believe I've already posted a step-by-step on how to do that in this forum or on one of the other blind and low-vision technology related forums and I can dig that up on request.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: Weird issue

Danni
 

No change! I tried using firefox yesterday and have the same issue except that it says clickable clickable clickable all the way through the options insteand of saying what the options are which has me thinkin NVDA is the issue but if so am blank to what suddenly turned on to screw things up cuz it was working fine before!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


If you turn off the colour announcment what happens then?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


No because sometimes I can hear colors or options and sometimes I can't! which tells me something is going on I just don't know what!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


Maybe the site's layout was changed, don't you think?

On 6/3/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it

shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size

color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and
such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't
think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the

page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and

also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader

to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted

on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be

worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go
to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I
noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it
exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check
in order to fix it?















Re: NVDA and Chrome 51

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Not completely sure, but I'd guess it to be more of an issue in google's side of things. It's not the first time I've seen this and similar problems with chrome and herd of others seeing the same. I've always herd it mentioned that it's do to google not necessarily following all the standards for accessibility, but I don't know much about that.
Hope this helps.
Tc.

On 6/4/2016 5:11 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi,

When I tried NVDA (latest version) with Chrome 51, NVDA still doesn't read the character that I've deleted in a number of text boxes, specifically the Facebook status composing box and I think this applies to all textareas.

Is this a NVDA bug or a Chrome bug?



Re: WIN 10 startup sound

 

Yep, but getting it to actually play is a bit more complicated than it used to be.

With the advent of Windows 8 a new feature called Fast Start is enabled by default.  When this is enabled shutting down your computer does not really shut down your computer but instead puts it into a modified version of hibernation where the full system state is stored in a hibernation file (hiberfile) but the user state (e.g., the programs you were running, etc.) is not included like it is in full hibernation.  So, when you restart a system that has been shut down using shut down you will not get the startup sound if Fast Start is enabled.  You will always get the startup sound when you do a Restart because, oddly, this forces a full shut down before automatically kicking off a system boot from scratch.

If you want to turn off Fast Start I believe I've already posted a step-by-step on how to do that in this forum or on one of the other blind and low-vision technology related forums and I can dig that up on request.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: espeak issue fixed

Gene
 

I was never angry but my first message may have been too insistent because I didn't want you to lose the option of testing in future.  I don't know where the dictionary files are in the installed version.  In the portable version, they are in a subfolder of the userconfig folder.  You can simply back up the entire folder or whatever file or files you want from the folder. 
 
it would probably be a good idea if the dictionary dialog you use for adding or removing items had an import and export option. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak issue fixed

Okay. I can completely understand that. I didn't have to re-add many words, as I've added very few since last august, but as I don't remember where the dictionary files that I created are stored, and since I've hardly tinkered with anything in that location since the year before last, I haven't backed up those dictionaries yet. Please don't be angry with me. I wasn't dismissing your advice out-of-hand. I was, however, still recovering from the shock of nearly losing use of my computer due to my screwing up (without a screen reader, I may as well not have a computer), and alternating between thanking God I had a portable copy so close at hand and cursing the file that had gotten me into this mess in the first place.


On 5/06/2016 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:
I was saying what I did in case you wanted to experiment with NVDA in future.  I was saying that experimenting with a portable version is safe.  I was addressing the question for the future because there may be times when you would benefit significantly by making changes to NVDA. 
 
Also, my speech dictionary is not large but I have built it up slowly during a number of years.  I have it backed up so I can put a new copy into NVDA if necessary.  It is important to do this to guard against loss of the dictionary. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak issue fixed

Regardless, I'm not messing with that again until there's a more official fix for the problem. That was the most harrowing half hour of my life and I have no desire to relive it.


On 4/06/2016 11:06 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't a case of experimenting or not experimenting.  Backing up the folder so you could replace it with the original should be done if you are ever going to experiment in this way.  or, you could have the installer create a portable version and experiment with that.  Dictionary files can, and should, be backed up regardless of whether you experiment with NVDA.  They should be backed up just as any files you don't want to lose should be backed up. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak issue fixed

...


I just did this and succeeded in screwing up my copy of NVDA. I copied in the "Espeak Data" folder as was suggested, and suddenly everything NVDA was saying was incomprehensible to me. I tried to undo what I'd done. All I ended up with was silence. Horrible, horrible, unbroken silence. With sighted help, I did a system restore, which accomplished nothing, then had to resort to using a portable copy of NVDA which I hadn't updated since 2015.2, uninstalling NVDA from my computer, reinstalling it from the portable copy and updating it back to 2016.2. I've probably lost a few dictionary entries and I'm right back where I started, but I infinitely prefer speech with a few squished syllables to no NVDA at all. Did I mention after I tried undo NVDA wouldn't even start, probably because it's default synth had been stuffed around with? Oh yeah, it did that.


I am never, ever messing with my screen readers data files again.


On 4/06/2016 7:21 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all.
Ok here is a solution to the espeak issue.
This will go on the skype group as well
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e35z5au9bc05vh/espeak.7z?dl=1
Anyway, testing looks as if its the espeakdata itself either the phonem or the actual synth data.
What I did.
While I was not able to find previous releases of 2016-2015 in compiled form I was able to find via sourceforge 2014.4 and this had espeak in it.
I coppied over the espeakdata folder over itself in nvda program folder.
While this will have to be done for just about every coppy it does mean that while espeak will remain the new ng with the voice as it is, the squished crap is at least back to normal.
I have not tried to override the espeak dll but the link has 2 folders synthdrivers which has the old espeak state from 2014.4 and the new ng dataset.
Anyway, it looks like its the data files rather than the driver itself.
So if we can figure out what the hell is going on with this, then it may be easier to fix than we first thought.
Now I didn't replace the driver because although it has some harsh elements I wanted to see what this would do.
Its fixed it such that the mangled squished elements are gone.
This file will remain up until at least we can fix it.
Aniother way is to download the latest old espeak sapi and run it I have yet to see compiled ng binaries for windows sapi, etc so till we see that and as long as sourceforge keeps the depricated espeak project up we will be ok.
To the devs and such trying to solve this especially if you have access to the espeak list which I have no desire to handle and since this may happen on multiple platforms it seems to be the database itself or something in the database causing the trouble currently faced.
I am unsure about what part of the database is naff though, this will require some other beepstard to troubleshoot.
I'd like to but I have never fiddled with this and pluss I am not that interested.
For all users though this is one way out of the current issue for now.
The buty of this is as long as we replace the data we can still use the latest engine.
I will keep other units the same however as it is not needed that we fiddle with our units like this but at least for my own personal it will work.