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Re: Weird issue
Danni
No change! I tried using firefox yesterday and have the same issue except that it says clickable clickable clickable all the way through the options insteand of saying what the options are which has me thinkin NVDA is the issue but if so am blank to what suddenly turned on to screw things up cuz it was working fine before!
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From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue If you turn off the colour announcment what happens then?
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Re: NVDA and Chrome 51
jeremy <icu8it2@...>
Not completely sure, but I'd guess it to be more of an issue in
google's side of things. It's not the first time I've seen this and
similar problems with chrome and herd of others seeing the same.
I've always herd it mentioned that it's do to google not necessarily
following all the standards for accessibility, but I don't know much
about that.
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Hope this helps. Tc.
On 6/4/2016 5:11 AM, Supanut
Leepaisomboon wrote:
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Re: WIN 10 startup sound
Yep, but getting it to actually play is a bit more complicated than it used to be. With the advent of Windows 8 a new feature called Fast Start is enabled by default. When this is enabled shutting down your computer does not really shut down your computer but instead puts it into a modified version of hibernation where the full system state is stored in a hibernation file (hiberfile) but the user state (e.g., the programs you were running, etc.) is not included like it is in full hibernation. So, when you restart a system that has been shut down using shut down you will not get the startup sound if Fast Start is enabled. You will always get the startup sound when you do a Restart because, oddly, this forces a full shut down before automatically kicking off a system boot from scratch. If you want to turn off Fast Start I believe I've already posted a step-by-step on how to do that in this forum or on one of the other blind and low-vision technology related forums and I can dig that up on request. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Gene
I was never angry but my first message may have
been too insistent because I didn't want you to lose the option of testing in
future. I don't know where the dictionary files are in the installed
version. In the portable version, they are in a subfolder of the
userconfig folder. You can simply back up the entire folder or whatever
file or files you want from the folder.
it would probably be a good idea if the dictionary
dialog you use for adding or removing items had an import and export
option.
Gene
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Okay. I can completely understand that. I didn't have to re-add many words,
as I've added very few since last august, but as I don't remember where the
dictionary files that I created are stored, and since I've hardly tinkered with
anything in that location since the year before last, I haven't backed up those
dictionaries yet. Please don't be angry with me. I wasn't dismissing your advice
out-of-hand. I was, however, still recovering from the shock of nearly losing
use of my computer due to my screwing up (without a screen reader, I may as well
not have a computer), and alternating between thanking God I had a portable copy
so close at hand and cursing the file that had gotten me into this mess in the
first place. On 5/06/2016 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Sharni-Lee Ward
Okay. I can completely understand that. I didn't have to re-add many words, as I've added very few since last august, but as I don't remember where the dictionary files that I created are stored, and since I've hardly tinkered with anything in that location
since the year before last, I haven't backed up those dictionaries yet. Please don't be angry with me. I wasn't dismissing your advice out-of-hand. I was, however, still recovering from the shock of nearly losing use of my computer due to my screwing up (without
a screen reader, I may as well not have a computer), and alternating between thanking God I had a portable copy so close at hand and cursing the file that had gotten me into this mess in the first place.
On 5/06/2016 12:17 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Gene
It depends how you use the machine and how much you
know about protecting yourself. I would be reluctant to use an XP machine
for any personal business such as banking or ordering using a credit card.
But if you know how to protect yourself, such as by blocking scripts from
running, you should be able to do many things reasonably safely. Of
course, you should use a good antimalware program or two as well.
Many people, especially in poorer parts of the
world, are goind to use XP for quite some time.
Gene
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On 6/4/16, Clare Page <clare.page@...> wrote: > Hi! > NVDA 2016.2 is working fine for me as well: I haven't spotted any issues > since I installed the latest full version. > Bye for now! > From Clare > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre > Fisher > Sent: vendredi 3 juin 2016 20:03 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity > > I have no problems with it. I love it! > > On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote: >> This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate. >> Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out >> issues with the latest version of NVDA. >> For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues. >> So far, everything has worked fine for me. >> Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2? >> Chris >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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WIN 10 startup sound
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Yes it does in WIN 10 From Vista up to WIN 10 its the same sound.
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On 6/3/2016 11:46 PM, Arlene wrote:
Oh, well I was told you can't change the start sound as windows opens. I
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Lenron
I wouldn't even want to hit the net with a xp machine.
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On 6/4/16, Clare Page <clare.page@...> wrote:
Hi! --
Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Gene
I was saying what I did in case you wanted to
experiment with NVDA in future. I was saying that experimenting with a
portable version is safe. I was addressing the question for the
future because there may be times when you would benefit significantly by making
changes to NVDA.
Also, my speech dictionary is not large but I have
built it up slowly during a number of years. I have it backed up so I can
put a new copy into NVDA if necessary. It is important to do this to guard
against loss of the dictionary.
Gene
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Regardless, I'm not messing with that again until there's a more official fix
for the problem. That was the most harrowing half hour of my life and I have no
desire to relive it. On 4/06/2016 11:06 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Sharni-Lee Ward
Regardless, I'm not messing with that again until there's a more official fix for the problem. That was the most harrowing half hour of my life and I have no desire to relive it.
On 4/06/2016 11:06 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Gene
It isn't a case of experimenting or not
experimenting. Backing up the folder so you could replace it with the
original should be done if you are ever going to experiment in this way.
or, you could have the installer create a portable version and experiment with
that. Dictionary files can, and should, be backed up regardless of whether
you experiment with NVDA. They should be backed up just as any files you
don't want to lose should be backed up.
Gene
... I just did this and succeeded in screwing up my copy of NVDA. I copied in the "Espeak Data" folder as was suggested, and suddenly everything NVDA was saying was incomprehensible to me. I tried to undo what I'd done. All I ended up with was silence. Horrible, horrible, unbroken silence. With sighted help, I did a system restore, which accomplished nothing, then had to resort to using a portable copy of NVDA which I hadn't updated since 2015.2, uninstalling NVDA from my computer, reinstalling it from the portable copy and updating it back to 2016.2. I've probably lost a few dictionary entries and I'm right back where I started, but I infinitely prefer speech with a few squished syllables to no NVDA at all. Did I mention after I tried undo NVDA wouldn't even start, probably because it's default synth had been stuffed around with? Oh yeah, it did that. I am never, ever messing with my screen readers data files
again. On 4/06/2016 7:21 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all.
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Re: espeak issue fixed
Sharni-Lee Ward
...
I just did this and succeeded in screwing up my copy of NVDA. I copied in the "Espeak Data" folder as was suggested, and suddenly everything NVDA was saying was incomprehensible to me. I tried to undo what I'd done. All I ended up with was silence. Horrible, horrible, unbroken silence. With sighted help, I did a system restore, which accomplished nothing, then had to resort to using a portable copy of NVDA which I hadn't updated since 2015.2, uninstalling NVDA from my computer, reinstalling it from the portable copy and updating it back to 2016.2. I've probably lost a few dictionary entries and I'm right back where I started, but I infinitely prefer speech with a few squished syllables to no NVDA at all. Did I mention after I tried undo NVDA wouldn't even start, probably because it's default synth had been stuffed around with? Oh yeah, it did that.
I am never, ever messing with my screen readers data files again.
On 4/06/2016 7:21 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all.
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Re: iTunes 12.4.1 update.
Matt Turner
For anyone who has subscribed to apple music.
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Has any of your music that you bought from the iTunes store been re-tagged?
On 6/4/2016 6:13 AM, Chris wrote:
Many thanks , I can confirm it has improved using nvda
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Re: iTunes 12.4.1 update.
Chris
Many thanks , I can confirm it has improved using nvda
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page Sent: 04 June 2016 10:00 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes 12.4.1 update. Hi! In answer to your question, yes, I've updated iTunes to 12.4.1, that's the correct version number, and it has definitely improved. I haven't tested everything, but I can report that scrolling up and down lists works like it used to, with NVDA reading whatever item you land on if you arrow down a list, use the Page Up and Page Down or Home and End keys, or do first letter navigation in the list. It also seems to me that iTunes opens and runs faster than it used to on my Windows 7 laptop, but maybe I'm just lucky with that. Glad to see Apple bringing out an improved version so quickly! Bye for now! From Clare -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner Sent: vendredi 3 juin 2016 15:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update. Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes? If so, does everything work again?
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NVDA and Chrome 51
Hi, When I tried NVDA (latest version) with Chrome 51, NVDA still doesn't read the character that I've deleted in a number of text boxes, specifically the Facebook status composing box and I think this applies to all textareas. Is this a NVDA bug or a Chrome bug?
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From the moderator: A message about clutter
Gene
This is my first message as moderator addressing a
subject in depth. One of my concerns as moderator is reducing
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occurring on list and makes more general points on my approach to the
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I believe that such matters should be seen in a
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To start with, I am not stating these things as a
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My view is that a list should not be too rigid nor
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Also, at times, a certain amount of off topic
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The current discussion is a good example.
while some people might believe that feel good messages are desirable, on a list
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I am not stating any of this as list policy.
There are no punishments or rules in what I am saying. I'm simply saying
that, as someone who has been asked to be a moderator, I consider it part of
what I can do to be useful to try to expand how people view what makes the list
attractive to the most number of people who may benefit from it. also, and
the two are closely related, what may discourage people from staying on the
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My purpose is to attempt to reduce clutter not by
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espeak issue fixed
Hi all.
Ok here is a solution to the espeak issue. This will go on the skype group as well https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e35z5au9bc05vh/espeak.7z?dl=1 Anyway, testing looks as if its the espeakdata itself either the phonem or the actual synth data. What I did. While I was not able to find previous releases of 2016-2015 in compiled form I was able to find via sourceforge 2014.4 and this had espeak in it. I coppied over the espeakdata folder over itself in nvda program folder. While this will have to be done for just about every coppy it does mean that while espeak will remain the new ng with the voice as it is, the squished crap is at least back to normal. I have not tried to override the espeak dll but the link has 2 folders synthdrivers which has the old espeak state from 2014.4 and the new ng dataset. Anyway, it looks like its the data files rather than the driver itself. So if we can figure out what the hell is going on with this, then it may be easier to fix than we first thought. Now I didn't replace the driver because although it has some harsh elements I wanted to see what this would do. Its fixed it such that the mangled squished elements are gone. This file will remain up until at least we can fix it. Aniother way is to download the latest old espeak sapi and run it I have yet to see compiled ng binaries for windows sapi, etc so till we see that and as long as sourceforge keeps the depricated espeak project up we will be ok. To the devs and such trying to solve this especially if you have access to the espeak list which I have no desire to handle and since this may happen on multiple platforms it seems to be the database itself or something in the database causing the trouble currently faced. I am unsure about what part of the database is naff though, this will require some other beepstard to troubleshoot. I'd like to but I have never fiddled with this and pluss I am not that interested. For all users though this is one way out of the current issue for now. The buty of this is as long as we replace the data we can still use the latest engine. I will keep other units the same however as it is not needed that we fiddle with our units like this but at least for my own personal it will work.
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Re: NVDA Curiosity
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi!
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NVDA 2016.2 is working fine for me as well: I haven't spotted any issues since I installed the latest full version. Bye for now! From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher Sent: vendredi 3 juin 2016 20:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity I have no problems with it. I love it! On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote: This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
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Re: iTunes 12.4.1 update.
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi!
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In answer to your question, yes, I've updated iTunes to 12.4.1, that's the correct version number, and it has definitely improved. I haven't tested everything, but I can report that scrolling up and down lists works like it used to, with NVDA reading whatever item you land on if you arrow down a list, use the Page Up and Page Down or Home and End keys, or do first letter navigation in the list. It also seems to me that iTunes opens and runs faster than it used to on my Windows 7 laptop, but maybe I'm just lucky with that. Glad to see Apple bringing out an improved version so quickly! Bye for now! From Clare
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner Sent: vendredi 3 juin 2016 15:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update. Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes? If so, does everything work again?
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Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working
hi.
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i understand what do you say. i have this problem for brows mode too. the best version for me is 2015.3 and i dont have any problem in using it. sometimes i test the newer versions just for helping others, not for my daily use.
On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
What problem are you referring to. To the best of my knoledge, --
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful. holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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