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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Jason White
I recommend http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-10-Guide.html
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Despite the mention of JAWS, the Windows commands are of course all equally usable with NVDA.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809. The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation. Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer. Are there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons? Thanks
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Re: find command
Ervin, Glenn
Does NVDA have a repeate find key like F3 that Jaws uses?
I would prefer to not have to bring up the same search dialog.
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Re: Problems with latest firefox and NVDA with more than 1 tab
Chris
If you have a 64bit windows then try the 64bit firefox to see if that’s any better, rather than using the 32bit firefox
From: mk360
Sent: 01 November 2018 21:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problems with latest firefox and NVDA with more than 1 tab
Hi,
I've many problems with the actual version of Firefox, 63.0.1 32b and NVDA alfa (actually two days)
Basically, every time I try to open a second tab with control shift enter Firefox crashes and when I reload it FF crash again, until I use shift enter to open the progra,, open the restart menu and start it again. The pages I'm trying are www.elmostrador.cl and www.dimeadozen.org also if I try to open for example, translate.google.com from the Firefox that I loaded using shift enter (from the desktop) Firefox crashes.
What is happening? is the unstable version of NVDA or is Firefox?
Regards,
mk.
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Problems with latest firefox and NVDA with more than 1 tab
mk360
Hi,
I've many problems with the actual version of Firefox, 63.0.1 32b and NVDA alfa (actually two days) Basically, every time I try to open a second tab with control shift enter Firefox crashes and when I reload it FF crash again, until I use shift enter to open the progra,, open the restart menu and start it again. The pages I'm trying are www.elmostrador.cl and www.dimeadozen.org also if I try to open for example, translate.google.com from the Firefox that I loaded using shift enter (from the desktop) Firefox crashes. What is happening? is the unstable version of NVDA or is Firefox? Regards, mk.
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Re: WordPress for dummies
John J. Boyer
I don't find a WordPress list on Freelists.org I can create one. I've already created severall lists. What could this
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one be called? To start, how about blind-wordpress This name may be too long. Thanks, John
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 08:56:32AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
There may already be a WordPress mailing list on www.freelists.org but I haven't checked yet. --
John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Re: Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete newbie)
Gene
Are you using something like no script or do you
have JAVA scripts disabled? This is a button, not a link. It may not
matter but when you have JAVA scripts disabled or blocked, it won't
function.
Gene
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From: Roger Rathburn
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 3:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete
newbie) Thank you
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Re: Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete newbie)
Chris
Have you selected one of the donation options or skip donation option And enter a email address?
From: Roger Rathburn
Sent: 01 November 2018 20:42 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete newbie)
I can't get the download to work at https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ . I click on the download link, but nothing happens. No download, but no error message either. Soryy if this is dumb, but I sure could use some help.
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Re: Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete newbie)
Mobeen Iqbal
Hi. You need to press F until you reach the button that says skip donation this time. check that box, then press B for the download button and press enter. cheers, Mo.
On 01/11/2018 20:21, Roger Rathburn
wrote:
I can't get the download to work at https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ . I click on the download link, but nothing happens. No download, but no error message either. Soryy if this is dumb, but I sure could use some help.
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Download of NVDA Screen Reader (complete newbie)
Roger Rathburn <roelra@...>
I can't get the download to work at https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ . I click on the download link, but nothing happens. No download, but no error message either. Soryy if this is dumb, but I sure could use some help.
Thank you
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Re: find command
Gene
When you use insert control f, do you hear search
dialog if you wait for speech after issuing the command? That is what you
should hear when the NVDA search dialog comes up. I didn't see when I read
your message the first time, that you have tried NVDA f so I gave that command
in my first message. Also, I find at times, and I don't know if this has
been corrected in later versions than I am using, that if ai do a search,
sometimes the search lands on a line that doesn't contain what I am searching
for. Repeating the search from where I am causes it to work
properly.
Gene
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From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] find command Hi Is the insert key your modifier key or another like the caps lock or extended insert key? It would be that one you chose but you probably are using the right one. for example nvda key +ctrl + letter f key. On 2/11/2018 7:41 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Gene
I prepared a tutorial teaching how to use ribbons a
number of years ago. I shall include it below my signature. It
doesn't teach use of ribbons in the Windows 10 interface but ribbons are
ribbons. Some people have problems understanding ribbons. But most
people learn them without too much trouble and some people learn them
easily.
Ribbons are organized differently than menus but
they are similar in that they present information in an organized way. To
simplify, you move to a ribbon and tab and shift tab through it. You move
to a menu and up and down arrow through it.
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote
years ago of how to work with ribbons.
I've added a little to it here.
I don't know how the organization of Windows has
changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the
Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later
versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example. Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. So, let's review. You find a split button
that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If
you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow,
other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with both
methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if
it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which
one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen
from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you
think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing will
move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the split
button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that extends
across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next
item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button to cause
it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down the screen,
as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure
extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try
both methods of causing the split button to display more options. Often,
one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't
want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of
them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left
arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it. Now, to ribbons themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about
them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut
commands effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend
against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material
says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training material is just
plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one
screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't
go into here.
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described
below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their
machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice
working with ribbons.
The essence of working with ribbons is
this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so we are all doing
the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you
started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you
wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you
can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.
Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You
will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the
view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon
once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab
moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.
Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button
that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a
menu.
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the
short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert. Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and
using the command insert tab. You will hear some extraneous
information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.
You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you
want.
Let's look at an item which is usually called the
application menu. Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing
the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you
can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the
ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see
how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o, control n, control s,
control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Don
I recorded this a while back it shows 2 different ways of navigating the ribbons but this is with word pad.
Same idea for the others.
It shows you both when it is expanded and not and what to do if it is the oposite to change it.
The drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/buzysfwi895vdnj/navigating%20ribbons%20in%20wordpad.MP3?dl=0 I think there is also a written one done by the other Gene on my nvda tutorials learning the basics page on http://www.accessibilitycentral.net hope they help.
Gene nz
On 2/11/2018 7:46 AM, Don H wrote:
Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809. --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: find command
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
Is the insert key your modifier key or another like the caps lock or extended insert key? It would be that one you chose but you probably are using the right one. for example nvda key +ctrl + letter f key.
On 2/11/2018 7:41 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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NVDA and ribbon menues
Don H
Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.
The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation. Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer. Are there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons? Thanks
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Re: find command
Gene
It's NVDA key, control, f.
Gene
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Hi, I have never had luck on a web page with NVDA finding text. I have tried control + F Insert + F And insert + control + F And it never finds text that is on the web page. Does anyone know what I’m doing wrong?
Thanks.
Glenn Ervin Orientation Counselor II Norfolk Nebraska 402 370 3436 Cell: 402 992 0325
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find command
Ervin, Glenn
Hi, I have never had luck on a web page with NVDA finding text. I have tried control + F Insert + F And insert + control + F And it never finds text that is on the web page. Does anyone know what I’m doing wrong?
Thanks.
Glenn Ervin Orientation Counselor II Norfolk Nebraska 402 370 3436 Cell: 402 992 0325
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Re: percentage when downloading
Gary Metzler
Thanks for the shortcut.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] percentage when downloading In the future, NVDA Key plus u goes through the 3 settings.. On 11/1/2018 10:28 AM, Gary Metzler wrote: Hi Jackie,
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Re: percentage when downloading
Gary Metzler
Thanks for the info.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] percentage when downloading
Hi
Most of the time it is in the downloader program but as mentioned before where to go the shortcut key is for a desktop is nvda key + letter U it is sorta like a toggle which will go between beep,beep and speak, speak or off.
I think they also are used for when transfering say files you will hear them then etc. In a program you usually need to be focused on the item to hear it.
Gene nz
On 2/11/2018 4:51 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
-- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: percentage when downloading
Brice Mijares
In the future, NVDA Key plus u goes through the 3 settings..
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On 11/1/2018 10:28 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Jackie,
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Re: percentage when downloading
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
Most of the time it is in the downloader program but as mentioned before where to go the shortcut key is for a desktop is nvda key + letter U it is sorta like a toggle which will go between beep,beep and speak, speak or off.
I think they also are used for when transfering say files you will hear them then etc. In a program you usually need to be focused on the item to hear it.
Gene nz
On 2/11/2018 4:51 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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