Re: Not able to open pdf file
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Oh that piece of software has never behaved for me at any time it tends to lock, fall out of itself or just be very slow.
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From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file No, not my problem. I use Qread, edge or even Chrome for pdf files. My problem is with Adobe Digital Editions, which doesn't seem to be able to open acsm files to download teh actual ebooks with NVDA lately. Ciao, Ollie Il 02/11/2018 18:27, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io ha scritto: you all can use acrobat reader DC
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I think most of us do. I also sometimes use the accessible pdf reader from webbie as well if its mostly textual and not needing any formatting.
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To me too many pdf files these days are pictures or not tagged for changes in reading order, but this is the first time I've heard of things locking up like this. It might be interesting to see the part of a log when adobe acrobat is opened by the file. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file I use acrobat reader dc On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 11:27 pm Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness= yahoo.ca@groups.io wrote: you all can use acrobat reader DC
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Can it open small pdf files or is this on all files?
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I was thinking about a ticket about some backends recently changed causing firefox to crash, and wondered if it affected Adobe as well. Certainly I've seen no difference between jaws and nvda on windows 7, but I'm assuming you are not using an Alpha snap of nvda which might be where this has happened. If you use a portable version of nvda does the same issue occur? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file Adobe reader shows not responding. On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net wrote:
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues
Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
I have found that I can do alright with the ribbons, but I find the speed of working with old style menus much better.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Not noticed it myself. But it is my view and yours is yours. I merely point at other pieces of software not by Microsoft. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues You have a problem, as you said . Most people learn ribbons without a lot of trouble. It may take them a little time but if taught properly, they don't find them a major problem. You are discouraging people from learning ribbons. I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs. I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface. I hope people comment on that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they are in fact easy. Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts. I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them ie ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean they are dogmatically against it. Bah humbug I say. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809. Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
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Re: NVDA and Add On Updates behind a http proxy
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I suspect this is a question for your local admin, as it may well be blocking certain domains completely.
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From: "Christian Schoepplein" <chris@schoeppi.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:39 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Add On Updates behind a http proxy Hi, my workstation is using a http proxy to access the internet and it seems like the automated updates of NVDA and Add Ons is having problems with this setup. I am not notified when updates are available because NVDA seems not be able to contact the regardings server(s) through the proxy. Is this behaviour known and what can I do to let NVDA connect using the proxy server? Cheers, Schoepp
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Not noticed it myself. But it is my view and yours is yours. I merely point at other pieces of software not by Microsoft.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues You have a problem, as you said . Most people learn ribbons without a lot of trouble. It may take them a little time but if taught properly, they don't find them a major problem. You are discouraging people from learning ribbons. I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs. I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface. I hope people comment on that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they are in fact easy. Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts. I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them ie ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean they are dogmatically against it. Bah humbug I say. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It started on Word 2007. It was hated then, it is hated now, and you seldom see any third party software using a Ribbon, even the latest Firefox is using old style menus.
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Just cos they are so dogmatic in not wanting to offer an option when its clearly possible is no reason to accept it. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Hi, Brian V, I couldn't agree more. The ribbon has been around since 2007. I think that's correct but if I'm wrong, someone please jump in and correct me. We have to learn to roll with the punches as they say or get left out in the cold so to speak. Rosemarie From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:19 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: Embrace the ribbon, It's been around for over a decade now. It is the Microsoft standard. The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I disagree, simply because there has been an endless fight against it. I have sighted friends who find it very irritating, yet just like many big companies they will not listen to their customers and make it a choice in their software. How many third party programs use a ribbon, answer me that?
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: It's been around for over a decade now. It is the Microsoft standard. The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.* ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Its a third party config file for windows. I'm sure its explained in the zip file, however I have not tried it on the latest incarnation of windows 10.
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You just have to suck it and see. bBest create a restore point befor using it just in case you do not like it. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues Please explain the ribbon remover please. Is this a Windows addon Chrome addon or what?
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Re: a new modified nv-speech player
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Might one ask a simple question here. if this is just work done on the original speech player somebody should encourage them to send it to the add ons people for review and possible inclusion in the add ons list as it is bound to need some changes to cope with python3 adoption and its far easier if it is a legal accepted add on.
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Also might I say, I'm in no hurry to have an Eloquence myself, but if it really is not any copyright infringement of the current copyright holders, then all the more reason to shove it where its going to get most exposure. Also of course if its based on the older Espeak, its pronunciations will be better in English than the current espeak NG is included in NVDA, though of course you are going to have some reduction in performance as some new bits of nvda need more modern syynths to operate correctly. I use the speech player in Espeak but with my own Quincy voice which I have also now put onto the Espeak Sappi version and am using in Jaws. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:44 PM Subject: [nvda] a new modified nv-speech player Hi, A few years back nv-access made an improved ESpeak that was called nv-speech player. Since then a few people have greatly improved it! I just tried it a few minutes ago and it sounds great! It sounds almost exactly like eloquence, sort of, or maybe keynote gold, kind of. There is other stuff on this site which I will not discuss for legal reasons. And please just ignore that other *stuff*. Just focus on the free nv speech player! First, the website with the modded and improved speech player stuff. Direct link. http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/ Now here is my favorite version of the speech player addon modified by Jason bratcher. Perhaps, with this new speech player, someone can modify its intonations and make a keynote gold speech player voice? And give it more languages? http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/Jason%20Bratcher_speechPlayerInEspeak.nvda-addon more speech player voices. http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/voices.7z Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
Mallard
No, not my problem. I use Qread, edge or even Chrome for pdf files. My problem is with Adobe Digital Editions, which doesn't seem to be able to open acsm files to download teh actual ebooks with NVDA lately.
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Ciao, Ollie
Il 02/11/2018 18:27, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io ha scritto:
you all can use acrobat reader DC
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Brian V,
I couldn't agree more. The ribbon has been around since 2007. I think that's correct but if I'm wrong, someone please jump in and correct me. We have to learn to roll with the punches as they say or get left out in the cold so to speak.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It's been around for over a decade now. It is the Microsoft standard. The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
farhan israk
I use acrobat reader dc
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 11:27 pm Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io wrote: you all can use acrobat reader DC
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
Kerryn Gunness
you all can use acrobat reader DC
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From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same problems with Adobe Digital Editions... Ciao, Ollie Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:
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Re: Not able to open pdf file
Mallard
Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same problems with Adobe Digital Editions...
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Ciao, Ollie
Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:
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Re: Automatically converting EPUB to EPUB3
Mallard
Travis,
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epub3 is a special type of file, where you have audio and text that can be synched, for instance, for dyslexic readers. I guess that's the reason why one would want to convert epub's to epub3's. Ciao, Ollie
Il 02/11/2018 16:43, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
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Re: Automatically converting EPUB to EPUB3
Mallard
Hello,
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Yes, Calibre can be used from a command line in Windows as well. Ciao, Ollie
Il 02/11/2018 16:52, Antony Stone ha scritto:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB3
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Re: NVDA and ribbon menues
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs. I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface. I hope people comment on that.I honestly can't say whether you lose functionality or not, simply because there are options in what one can get for an "interface changer" as well as the fact that "losing functionality" is definitely based on what a given individual generally uses. There are scads of bells and whistles that have been added over the years that I, or any given person, just don't use and we don't care one whit whether they're available to us or not. The above being said, it makes no sense to keep shoe-horning OS operating environments into looking like something that was an ancestor. Eventually that breaks, but more importantly it quite literally hobbles one's ability to use the OS as the OS is. Unless you are someone who will never, ever touch another computer, anywhere, that runs the same OS as yours does you will be left wandering in the proverbial forest when you actually have to deal with the user interface as designed and shipped. There is no good reason to do that, period. Nothing is so constant as change, and as far as Windows 10 goes it's far more like Windows 7 and earlier in the overall UI than Windows 8 or 8.1 were. I have not yet had a blind or visually impaired client go through an extended "tearing my hair out" period when they transitioned to Windows 10. You can do most tweaks within the UI provided to make it feel very familiar without actually putting the mask that is an interface changer on top of it. The fact of the matter is, blind or not, when it comes to technology you either go with the flow or you eventually get drowned. And those that most actively resist the flow tend to get dragged under first. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Re: a new modified nv-speech player
Ann Byrne
So. I downloaded the Jason folder. What do I do next???
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At 10:44 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
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Success, Spybot with NVDA Installed
David Russell
Hello Group,
I just installed Spybot successfully and all is well. By pressing alt-r in the saved file from downloads, I was able to install. Thanks. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
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