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Re: Not able to open pdf file

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Yes I think most of us do. I also sometimes use the accessible pdf reader from webbie as well if its mostly textual and not needing any formatting.
To me too many pdf files these days are pictures or not tagged for changes in reading order, but this is the first time I've heard of things locking up like this. It might be interesting to see the part of a log when adobe acrobat is opened by the file.
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From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


I use acrobat reader dc

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you all can use acrobat reader DC

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same
problems with Adobe Digital Editions...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:

Adobe reader shows not responding.


On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net
<mailto:sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:




Hello,
Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is
there a difference?
Best
Sylvie
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :

I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe
reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I
use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?







Re: Not able to open pdf file

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Can it open small pdf files or is this on all files?
I was thinking about a ticket about some backends recently changed causing firefox to crash, and wondered if it affected Adobe as well. Certainly I've seen no difference between jaws and nvda on windows 7, but I'm assuming you are not using an Alpha snap of nvda which might be where this has happened.
If you use a portable version of nvda does the same issue occur?
Brian

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From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


Adobe reader shows not responding.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net wrote:





Hello,
Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is there a
difference?
Best
Sylvie
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :

I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe reader.
When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I use jaws then I can
open pdf file. How to fix it?




Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues

Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
 

I have found that I can do alright with the ribbons, but I find the speed of working with old style menus much better.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues

Not noticed it myself. But it is my view and yours is yours. I merely point at other pieces of software not by Microsoft.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


You have a problem, as you said . Most people learn ribbons without a lot of trouble. It may take them a little time but if taught properly, they don't find them a major problem. You are discouraging people from learning ribbons.

I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs. I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface. I hope people comment on that.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they are in fact easy.
Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts.
I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them ie ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean they are dogmatically against it.
Bah humbug I say.
Brian

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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.

The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation.
Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer.
Are there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons?

Thanks













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Re: NVDA and Add On Updates behind a http proxy

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I suspect this is a question for your local admin, as it may well be blocking certain domains completely.
Brian

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From: "Christian Schoepplein" <chris@schoeppi.net>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Add On Updates behind a http proxy


Hi,

my workstation is using a http proxy to access the internet and it seems
like the automated updates of NVDA and Add Ons is having problems with
this setup. I am not notified when updates are available because NVDA
seems not be able to contact the regardings server(s) through the proxy.

Is this behaviour known and what can I do to let NVDA connect using the
proxy server?

Cheers,

Schoepp


Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

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Not noticed it myself. But it is my view and yours is yours. I merely point at other pieces of software not by Microsoft.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


You have a problem, as you said . Most people learn ribbons without a lot of trouble. It may take them a little time but if taught properly, they don't find them a major problem. You are discouraging people from learning ribbons.

I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs. I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface. I hope people comment on that.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind
users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they
are in fact easy.
Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts.
I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my
feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them ie
ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the
themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely
said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean they are dogmatically
against it.
Bah humbug I say.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.

The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation.
Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer. Are
there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons?

Thanks





Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

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It started on Word 2007. It was hated then, it is hated now, and you seldom see any third party software using a Ribbon, even the latest Firefox is using old style menus.
Just cos they are so dogmatic in not wanting to offer an option when its clearly possible is no reason to accept it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


Hi, Brian V,



I couldn't agree more. The ribbon has been around since 2007. I think that's correct but if I'm wrong, someone please jump in and correct me. We have to learn to roll with the punches as they say or get left out in the cold so to speak.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Embrace the ribbon,

It's been around for over a decade now. It is the Microsoft standard. The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

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I disagree, simply because there has been an endless fight against it. I have sighted friends who find it very irritating, yet just like many big companies they will not listen to their customers and make it a choice in their software. How many third party programs use a ribbon, answer me that?
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


Embrace the ribbon,
It's been around for over a decade now. It is the Microsoft standard. The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

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Its a third party config file for windows. I'm sure its explained in the zip file, however I have not tried it on the latest incarnation of windows 10.
You just have to suck it and see. bBest create a restore point befor using it just in case you do not like it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


Please explain the ribbon remover please. Is this a Windows addon Chrome addon or what?

On 11/2/2018 3:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they are in fact easy.
Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts.
I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them ie ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean they are dogmatically against it.
Bah humbug I say.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues


Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.

The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation. Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer. Are there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons?

Thanks









Re: a new modified nv-speech player

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Might one ask a simple question here. if this is just work done on the original speech player somebody should encourage them to send it to the add ons people for review and possible inclusion in the add ons list as it is bound to need some changes to cope with python3 adoption and its far easier if it is a legal accepted add on.
Also might I say, I'm in no hurry to have an Eloquence myself, but if it really is not any copyright infringement of the current copyright holders, then all the more reason to shove it where its going to get most exposure. Also of course if its based on the older Espeak, its pronunciations will be better in English than the current espeak NG is included in NVDA, though of course you are going to have some reduction in performance as some new bits of nvda need more modern syynths to operate correctly. I use the speech player in Espeak but with my own Quincy voice which I have also now put onto the Espeak Sappi version and am using in Jaws.
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] a new modified nv-speech player


Hi,

A few years back nv-access made an improved ESpeak that was called nv-speech player. Since then a few people have greatly improved it! I just tried it a few minutes ago and it sounds great! It sounds almost exactly like eloquence, sort of, or maybe keynote gold, kind of. There is other stuff on this site which I will not discuss for legal reasons. And please just ignore that other *stuff*. Just focus on the free nv speech player! First, the website with the modded and improved speech player stuff. Direct link.

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/

Now here is my favorite version of the speech player addon modified by Jason bratcher. Perhaps, with this new speech player, someone can modify its intonations and make a keynote gold speech player voice? And give it more languages?

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/Jason%20Bratcher_speechPlayerInEspeak.nvda-addon

more speech player voices.

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/voices.7z


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Re: Not able to open pdf file

Mallard
 

No, not my problem. I use Qread, edge or even Chrome for pdf files. My problem is with Adobe Digital Editions, which doesn't seem to be able to open acsm files to download teh actual ebooks with NVDA lately.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 02/11/2018 18:27, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io ha scritto:
you all can use acrobat reader DC

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same
problems with Adobe Digital Editions...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:

Adobe reader shows not responding.


On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:




    Hello,
    Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
    You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
    If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is
    there a difference?
    Best
    Sylvie
    Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :

    I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe
    reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I
    use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?






Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian V,

 

I couldn't agree more. The ribbon has been around since 2007. I think that's correct but if I'm wrong, someone please jump in and correct me. We have to learn to roll with the punches as they say or get left out in the cold so to speak.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues

 

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Embrace the ribbon,

It's been around for over a decade now.  It is the Microsoft standard.  The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: Not able to open pdf file

farhan israk
 

I use acrobat reader dc


On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 11:27 pm Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io wrote:
you all can use acrobat reader DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same
problems with Adobe Digital Editions...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:
>
> Adobe reader shows not responding.
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@...
> <mailto:sduchateau@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>     Hello,
>     Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
>     You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
>     If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is
>     there a difference?
>     Best
>     Sylvie
>     Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :
>>
>>     I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe
>>     reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I
>>     use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?
>>
>
>








Re: Not able to open pdf file

Kerryn Gunness
 

you all can use acrobat reader DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Not able to open pdf file


Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same
problems with Adobe Digital Editions...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:

Adobe reader shows not responding.


On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:




Hello,
Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is
there a difference?
Best
Sylvie
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :

I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe
reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I
use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?


Re: Not able to open pdf file

Mallard
 

Adobe seems to have all sorts of issues these days. I have the same problems with Adobe Digital Editions...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 02/11/2018 16:13, farhan israk ha scritto:

Adobe reader shows not responding.


On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 7:51 pm Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:






Hello,
Can you explain what happens when you open the PDF file with NVDA?
You press enter on the file and nothing happens?
If you open it with Jaws, then you try to read it with NVDA, is
there a difference?
Best
Sylvie
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:47, farhan israk a écrit :

I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe
reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I
use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?


Re: Automatically converting EPUB to EPUB3

Mallard
 

Travis,


epub3 is a special type of file, where you have audio and text that can be synched, for instance, for dyslexic readers.


I guess that's the reason why one would want to convert epub's to epub3's.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 02/11/2018 16:43, Travis Siegel ha scritto:

I've never heard of epub3. If the files are already epub, why do you need to convert them to anything else? Epub files are perfectly accessible all by themselves.

But, to answer your question, as far as I know, it is relatively easy to get calibre to convert to any format you like by default.  Just set the epub3 to your default format, then any file you copy into it's startup folder will automaticlaly be converted into epub3.  It's been quite a while since I've played around with calibre, so I don't know the exact steps for setting formats and automatic conversions and such, but it is possible, and folks do this sort of thing all the time.


On 11/2/2018 3:49 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello group!
An NGO in my locality provides visually impaired people with free newspapers in EPUB3 format. They use a software called Calibre to download the newspaper and convert it to EPUB, it then has to be converted to EPUB3. It is her they face difficulty, they have to do it manually and they don't have the adequate staff. Can this process be automated? Can EPUB files be converted to EPUB 3 automatically?

All suggestion and shared experiences are welcome.
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Re: Automatically converting EPUB to EPUB3

Mallard
 

Hello,


Yes, Calibre can be used from a command line in Windows as well.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 02/11/2018 16:52, Antony Stone ha scritto:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB3

I'm not familiar with Calibre on Windows, but on Mac OS/X and Linux, it can be
used as a command-line tool, so these conversions could easily be scripted.


Antony.

On Friday 02 November 2018 at 16:43:38, Travis Siegel wrote:

I've never heard of epub3. If the files are already epub, why do you
need to convert them to anything else? Epub files are perfectly
accessible all by themselves.

But, to answer your question, as far as I know, it is relatively easy to
get calibre to convert to any format you like by default. Just set the
epub3 to your default format, then any file you copy into it's startup
folder will automaticlaly be converted into epub3. It's been quite a
while since I've played around with calibre, so I don't know the exact
steps for setting formats and automatic conversions and such, but it is
possible, and folks do this sort of thing all the time.

On 11/2/2018 3:49 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello group!
An NGO in my locality provides visually impaired people with free
newspapers in EPUB3 format. They use a software called Calibre to
download the newspaper and convert it to EPUB, it then has to be
converted to EPUB3. It is her they face difficulty, they have to do it
manually and they don't have the adequate staff. Can this process be
automated? Can EPUB files be converted to EPUB 3 automatically?

All suggestion and shared experiences are welcome.


Re: NVDA and ribbon menues

 

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I am skeptical and suspicious of ribbon removing programs.  I suspect you lose functionality when you try to force one interface to become another interface.  I hope people comment on that. 
I honestly can't say whether you lose functionality or not, simply because there are options in what one can get for an "interface changer" as well as the fact that "losing functionality" is definitely based on what a given individual generally uses.  There are scads of bells and whistles that have been added over the years that I, or any given person, just don't use and we don't care one whit whether they're available to us or not.

The above being said, it makes no sense to keep shoe-horning OS operating environments into looking like something that was an ancestor.  Eventually that breaks, but more importantly it quite literally hobbles one's ability to use the OS as the OS is.   Unless you are someone who will never, ever touch another computer, anywhere, that runs the same OS as yours does you will be left wandering in the proverbial forest when you actually have to deal with the user interface as designed and shipped.  There is no good reason to do that, period.

Nothing is so constant as change, and as far as Windows 10 goes it's far more like Windows 7 and earlier in the overall UI than Windows 8 or 8.1 were.  I have not yet had a blind or visually impaired client go through an extended "tearing my hair out" period when they transitioned to Windows 10.   You can do most tweaks within the UI provided to make it feel very familiar without actually putting the mask that is an interface changer on top of it.

The fact of the matter is, blind or not, when it comes to technology you either go with the flow or you eventually get drowned.  And those that most actively resist the flow tend to get dragged under first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: a new modified nv-speech player

Ann Byrne
 

So. I downloaded the Jason folder. What do I do next???

At 10:44 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
Hi,

A few years back nv-access made an improved ESpeak that was called nv-speech player. Since then a few people have greatly improved it! I just tried it a few minutes ago and it sounds great! It sounds almost exactly like eloquence, sort of, or maybe keynote gold, kind of. There is other stuff on this site which I will not discuss for legal reasons. And please just ignore that other *stuff*. Just focus on the free nv speech player! First, the website with the modded and improved speech player stuff. Direct link.

<http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/>;http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/

Now here is my favorite version of the speech player addon modified by Jason bratcher. Perhaps, with this new speech player, someone can modify its intonations and make a keynote gold speech player voice? And give it more languages?

<http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/Jason%20Bratcher_speechPlayerInEspeak.nvda-addon>;http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/Jason%20Bratcher_speechPlayerInEspeak.nvda-addon

more speech player voices.

<http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/voices.7z>;http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/voices.7z


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Success, Spybot with NVDA Installed

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

I just installed Spybot successfully and all is well. By pressing
alt-r in the saved file from downloads, I was able to install. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: a new modified nv-speech player

Gene
 

I just tried the add-on.  I see no voice variatns, and it sounds nothing like Eloquence.  Also, the way many plosive consonants are spoken as a really annoying tinny sound.  I find this extremely annoying to listen to, such consonants as k or t are almost like clicks.  While the actual voices themselves have been improved in terms of sound, the accent and the plosive consonant problem causes the overall quality orf speech to be very poor.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] a new modified nv-speech player

Hi,

 

A few years back nv-access made an improved ESpeak that was called nv-speech player. Since then a few people have greatly improved it! I just tried it a few minutes ago and it sounds great! It sounds almost exactly like eloquence, sort of, or maybe keynote gold, kind of. There is other stuff on this site which I will not discuss for legal reasons. And please just ignore that other *stuff*. Just focus on the free nv speech player! First, the website with the modded and improved speech player stuff. Direct link.

 

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/

 

Now here is my favorite version of the speech player addon modified by Jason bratcher. Perhaps, with this new speech player, someone can modify its intonations and make a keynote gold speech player voice? And give it more languages?

 

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/Jason%20Bratcher_speechPlayerInEspeak.nvda-addon

 

more speech player voices.

 

http://grossgang.com/tts/speechPlayer%20in%20espeak/voices.7z

 

 

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