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Learning coding with NVDA

Jo Fullerton
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jo Fullerton
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to I cant possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Jo Fullerton
 

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to I cant possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Dan Beaver
 

No, it does not announce the content when the alert pops up.  I have this same issue and have not found a way to have NVDA speak the content of the alert.  It drives me nuts sometimes.




Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)
On 11/9/2018 7:41 AM, Felix G. wrote:
But wouldn't that have some content, and wouldn't the screen reader
announce that content along with the word "alert?"
Best,
Felix
Am Fr., 9. Nov. 2018 um 13:37 Uhr schrieb Chris via Groups.Io
<chrismedley@...>:
Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to I cant possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix












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Re: The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Felix G.
 

But wouldn't that have some content, and wouldn't the screen reader
announce that content along with the word "alert?"
Best,
Felix
Am Fr., 9. Nov. 2018 um 13:37 Uhr schrieb Chris via Groups.Io
<chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>:


Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to I cant possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix








Re: The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Chris
 

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to I cant possibly speculate on that sorry

 

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

 

Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix

 

 

 


The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Felix G.
 

Hello everyone,
when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by
itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and
how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a
non-speculative explanation?
Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,
Felix


Re: Basic html for gmail

 
Edited

Here's how to make NVDA read the basic HTML button. The link in post 2 will set basic HTML as default view but if standard still loads, follow these steps. The below link will do it automatically.

Set basic HTML as the default.

  1. Open gmail.
  2. Enter forms mode, focus mode, whatever it's called.
  3. Shift tab, until you hear basic HTML view button. This button is at the very top of the website. The button is not visible in browse mode. You need, need, need! To switch to forms mode in order to see the button.


Re: DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

Gene
 

The trash folder automatically deletes mail that is thirty days old.  It appears the accumulated mail is somewhere else, such as in the inbox.  It may be that someone wants to remove everything for some reason.  But you don't have to worry about running out of room.  If you run out of room, the oldest messages are deleted and replaced by newer ones.  So if that is the only reason you want to remove old mail, there is no need to do so.
 
I don't use GMail for personal mail that I want to keep private so I don't care about whether it accumulates.  It is all list mail, in my case.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

What happens if you use Imap, does deleting the whole lot then doing a purge
remove them from webmail as well?
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL




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Re: DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

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What happens if you use Imap, does deleting the whole lot then doing a purge remove them from webmail as well?
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Re: Amazon Buying Links Disappeared

Gene
 

I see that you weren't describing using the mouse.  You are talking about using the command to activate a control that the navigation by object is set to.  I don't know what happens if you move the mouse and then left click.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon Buying Links Disappeared

Don't care what the command to move the mouse is, the keystrokes I put in the post are the ones that work.  No idea why, (as I said before), but they do, and why is anybody's guess.  Change the keystrokes, and you won't be able to click the button.

<shrug>

I didn't invent the keystrokes, I just use them.



On 11/8/2018 7:54 PM, Gene wrote:
The command to move the mouse is NVDA key numpad star, otherwise called asterisk. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon Buying Links Disappeared

If you're using NVDA, getting to the purchase link is about as simple as it can get when web designs are broken.  All you need to do is tab until you find the buy now button/link, then use the NVDA key in combination with the shift and the numpad minus key (the one in the upper right corner). That will move the NVDA cursor to the keyboard position.  Then press NVDA-numpad enter, and the button will be pressed.  I've already writte this on this list at least twice before, and yet, it keeps coming up.  I have no idea why amazon broke their site, and I have no idea why this method works with the key combinations it does, but nonetheless, I've been quite successfully purchasing and borrowing via kindle unlimited for several months now since the change happened, and I assure this method works just fine.  I read several books each month, and kindle unlimited is a large portion of that read count, so I know of which I speak.  Nothing says you need to tab from the top of the page, use the page down key, use the arrows, use anything you like to get close to the purchase/borrow links, then for the final adjustment, use the tab key, it will get you where you need to be, then use the NVDA-shift-numpad minus to put the NVDA cursor there, then use the NVDA-numpad enter to click the button, it works every time.


On 11/8/2018 9:33 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
You can get to it with the navigator object, but you still can't click on it. It's been this way for at least a couple of months.


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Re: google and basic html

Gene
 

If you go into forms mode while you are in the edit field, and use control home, you will move to the top of the edit field. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

I don't have automatic forms mode set.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 4:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

 

Whether there is such a setting or not, simply be in forms mode in the edit field and use the command control home to move to the top of the edit field before you write.  If you use automatic switching, that may not work, I don't know.  Maybe it moves you to the top of the page and goes into browse mode.  Just one more reason I believe strongly that people should turn off the automatic changing feature and manually go into forms mode or into browse mode. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

 

Hi, Arleen,

Is there a way to make replies come to the top of a message in basic HTML? I used to use gmail's site and whenever I replied to a message, it would go to the bottom of the original message instead of the top. That's when I switched to an email client like outlook.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

Hi, Arlene here. Sorry I use IE and I am allowed to switch to Basic htm or whatever it is.  So, IE and Chrome will allow you to choose.I find HTMl is more easier then Standard!I too don't care for google's features. Just as long as I can read and delete mail too. but you should check your trash folder to clean it. Cause Google can be a pack rat.

On 11/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> If you choose to switch to standard view there is only a couple ways
> to switch back to basic.
>
> 1. chrome allows you to switch back, firefox/waterfox will not, and ie
> does probably because it is old or something who knows.
>
> If all you are using is gmail and settings I wouldn't bother with
> standard view, its aparently accessible but basic html is more usable
> to me at any rate.
>
> I don't care about 99.9% of google's features though I just want to
> make sure I check spam, read mail, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

mcLeod stinnett
 

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DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Dear List

 

If you have a Gmail account with thousands of e-mails, is there a way to clean the account at once?

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven


Re: Basic html for gmail

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Dear List

I also have the missing button issue, but only in Mozilla FireFox.

Kind regards
Heaven

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Heaven Botma
Sent: Friday, 09 November 2018 10:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic html for gmail

Dear Nevzat

Try to set Basic HTML as default view in Internet Explorer. This worked for me before when I had to change the views in Gmail.

Kind regards

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nevzat Adil
Sent: Thursday, 08 November 2018 19:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Basic html for gmail

Hello group,

I changed to standard view in gmail today and now I cannot make basic html as my default view. Whenever I close and come bakc to gmail it loads as standard view.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Nevzat Adil


Re: Basic html for gmail

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Dear Nevzat

Try to set Basic HTML as default view in Internet Explorer. This worked for me before when I had to change the views in Gmail.

Kind regards

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nevzat Adil
Sent: Thursday, 08 November 2018 19:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Basic html for gmail

Hello group,

I changed to standard view in gmail today and now I cannot make basic html as my default view. Whenever I close and come bakc to gmail it loads as standard view.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Nevzat Adil


Re: google and basic html

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The question is, why is it that Firefox is not doing as Chrome and IE do?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html


Hi there: I;m not sure how one does that. When I see my messages on
this list. It's at the top. I'm using basic html using IE for win 7.

On 11/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Arleen,

Is there a way to make replies come to the top of a message in basic HTML? I
used to use gmail's site and whenever I replied to a message, it would go to
the bottom of the original message instead of the top. That's when I
switched to an email client like outlook.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

Hi, Arlene here. Sorry I use IE and I am allowed to switch to Basic htm or
whatever it is. So, IE and Chrome will allow you to choose.I find HTMl is
more easier then Standard!I too don't care for google's features. Just as
long as I can read and delete mail too. but you should check your trash
folder to clean it. Cause Google can be a pack rat.

On 11/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

If you choose to switch to standard view there is only a couple ways
to switch back to basic.

1. chrome allows you to switch back, firefox/waterfox will not, and ie
does probably because it is old or something who knows.

If all you are using is gmail and settings I wouldn't bother with
standard view, its aparently accessible but basic html is more usable
to me at any rate.

I don't care about 99.9% of google's features though I just want to
make sure I check spam, read mail, etc.












Re: google and basic html

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I'm not sure one needs to be this radical, but just be aware of when it switches and alter it if you feel it inappropriate for the site.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html


Whether there is such a setting or not, simply be in forms mode in the edit field and use the command control home to move to the top of the edit field before you write. If you use automatic switching, that may not work, I don't know. Maybe it moves you to the top of the page and goes into browse mode. Just one more reason I believe strongly that people should turn off the automatic changing feature and manually go into forms mode or into browse mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html


Hi, Arleen,

Is there a way to make replies come to the top of a message in basic HTML? I used to use gmail's site and whenever I replied to a message, it would go to the bottom of the original message instead of the top. That's when I switched to an email client like outlook.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google and basic html

Hi, Arlene here. Sorry I use IE and I am allowed to switch to Basic htm or whatever it is. So, IE and Chrome will allow you to choose.I find HTMl is more easier then Standard!I too don't care for google's features. Just as long as I can read and delete mail too. but you should check your trash folder to clean it. Cause Google can be a pack rat.

On 11/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

If you choose to switch to standard view there is only a couple ways
to switch back to basic.

1. chrome allows you to switch back, firefox/waterfox will not, and ie
does probably because it is old or something who knows.

If all you are using is gmail and settings I wouldn't bother with
standard view, its aparently accessible but basic html is more usable
to me at any rate.

I don't care about 99.9% of google's features though I just want to
make sure I check spam, read mail, etc.






Re: google and basic html

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Well you can check spam with imap in a client. I get so little through gmail normally, Ive not bothered too much.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] google and basic html


Hi.

If you choose to switch to standard view there is only a couple ways to switch back to basic.

1. chrome allows you to switch back, firefox/waterfox will not, and ie does probably because it is old or something who knows.

If all you are using is gmail and settings I wouldn't bother with standard view, its aparently accessible but basic html is more usable to me at any rate.

I don't care about 99.9% of google's features though I just want to make sure I check spam, read mail, etc.




Re: Basic html for gmail

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Two things, do you have something which might be removing cookies or not storing them?
Also not everyone seems to have the missing button experience in nvda either. Might be worth some deeper questioning of those who do not have the issue to see where their systems are set up different to yours.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic html for gmail


This is strange.
Although I saved basic html as default, when I return to my gmail
account standard view still comes up and I have to click on the button
for basic html.
As I said earlier, I do this with JAWS as NVDA does not see the button
at the top of standard view.
Nevzat

On 11/8/18, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you all for your suggestions.
NVDA does not see the button at the top right after the title saying
inbox in standard view which says view basic html.
I used JAWS to click on that button which
took me to basic html view and was able to find the link to set it as
default.
Whether the screen layout was on or of did not matter.
Having a second screen reader as a back up certainly helps.
Nevzat

On 11/8/18, Mobeen Iqbal <mobeeniqbal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

Also, make sure your screen layout is turned off. insert V should do it.
If you don't turn it off you may be missing links.

cheers,

Mo.



On 08/11/2018 17:30, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
stay in the same area, use arrow keys to get to set as html view, then
press enter
then in the same area, use arrow keys to get to set html view as
default and press enter

kerryn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 1:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Basic html for gmail


Hello group,

I changed to standard view in gmail today and now I cannot make basic
html as my default view. Whenever I close and come bakc to gmail it
loads as standard view.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Nevzat Adil