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Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Please, include the message you are answering...
This way I don't know who you are refering...

Both are legal versions.
Both are commercialized by CodeFactory and distributors...

Beside those two versions are some addons not legal...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:52 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

Both the Code Factory, and the Tiflotecnia ones are legal. The others which which shouldn’t mention are those that folks who know programming, and who in there way want to help, have put together. Hope this helps some in clarifying.toin 

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 13 nov 2018, a la(s) 10:52 a. m., kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> escribió:

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla Continued

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

Brian, thanks for the input and things to think about per Spybot,
Mozilla, WaterFox and the like. I don't mind passwords being destroyed
by Spybot as I have them noted on a hard copy pad that only I can
read.

I just don't know how reliable Microsoft Security Essentials is or
was. Avast is to 'damn' difficult to install and as said, my history
with AVG wasn't user-friendly at update time.

The problem with the new FireFox versions is it throws off the way I
am used to navigating email and social media. I rely on both! Google
is searchable but just odd to navigate with new versions of FF.

I will look at WaterFox and decide. Meantime, if you or anyone has an
easy-to-install anti-virus program recommend, let me/us know. I prefer
free of charge.. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gene
 

It's not a Windows Voice.  it is, in one paid version, a SAPI 5 voice.  SAPI has nothing to do with whether something is a Windows voice.  SAPI is a Windows program interface that allows synthesizers to communicate with Windows.  The legal add-on is not SAPI.  As I said, there is a SAPI 5 version.  You should try both as demos if you are trying to decide which you want.  The legal add-on has lots of really annoying artifacts and, in my opinion, should either be fixed or withdrawn.  And the NVDA page about voices still doesn't caution users about this problem.  Nor does it tell users that a SAPI 5 version is available that doesn't have this problem.  This information should be on the site and users should be advised to try demos of both before making a purchase.  I've written about this before and the page hasn't contained this information and discussion for years.  This is a real disservice to users and it should be corrected yesterday.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

 

Hi,

I think this would be best suited for add-ons list, but the solution involves studying what’s called “text infos” – a routine used to work with text content.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 6:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

I tried down arrowing and pressing control very quickly after down arrowing.  That causes no speech to sound.  If you can have the add on activate control after every down arrow but not on the last one if you want that to be read, that should solve the problem.  I don't know if there is another solution on a more technical level but as a user without technical knowledge of the internal operation, that is what I found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:42 AM

Subject: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all applications...

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...


Rui Fontes

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

Darren Harris
 

When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33

 

I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use, there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

  1. Hit Alt, T.
  2. Arrow down to preferences.
  3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

It depends on the synth you are using...

The Eloquence SAPI5 works alright, since it is a Windows synth and not a NVDA dedicated synth...

The Eloquence addon from CodeFactory also works...

The ilegal ones, some work, others maybe not...
But, it is not the place to discuss those...

Rui Fontes


Às 14:30 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

There was a discussion some time ago about what would happen to older synthesizers when NVDA began using the newest version of Python, and a few people were expressing concerns that Eloquence and other synthesizers would no longer function correctly.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

Working great with NVDA2018.3.2. It should work. Where do some people spread such misleading info I wonder?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 13 nov 2018, a la(s) 8:30 a. m., kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> escribió:

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.



--
Kelby Carlson



Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.



--
Kelby Carlson


Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after installing Microsoft Office?

John J. Boyer
 

They were working until I did that installation. I have a laptop computer. The vendor configured it before giving it to
me. The quick navigation keys have never worked. They are trying to figure out what they might have done that caused
this problem. Once I know that, I might be able to write a NVDA add-on to correct it.

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

Gene
 

I tried down arrowing and pressing control very quickly after down arrowing.  That causes no speech to sound.  If you can have the add on activate control after every down arrow but not on the last one if you want that to be read, that should solve the problem.  I don't know if there is another solution on a more technical level but as a user without technical knowledge of the internal operation, that is what I found.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

 

I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use, there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

  1. Hit Alt, T.
  2. Arrow down to preferences.
  3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.


Re: ccleaner new release

 

I love this file! I wish Bleachbit was accessible. It's an open source alternative. It's not accessible to NVDA at all, but if any developers want to look at the code or otherwise, the github page is below. I have not tried asking about accessibility yet.

Below is in markdown, for all you text email readers. Not sure it will render.

The github page

Documentation on compiling, adding cleaners

Main contribute page

I still like Puran Utilities though, even though it has not been updated in ages.


Jumping multiple similar objects

Shradha Holani <shradhaholani@...>
 

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, not sure about the latter as I subscribe to the mail list for issues and this allows email to be used to comment on tickets on github. I do find, even with modern browsers, a little like a system over engineered for many tasks that in the end fills with clutter the user is not going to need and clever little non standard bits.
However getting back on topic. yes you can stop Firefox from updating, but I suppose you then leave yourself open to breaches.
If you have a 64 bit machine then Waterfox is quite good.
I still find, even on windows 7 that the new Firefox versions crash more and do not provide good audio feedback of when pages are loaded etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


hi, me too.
i have firefox 52 and never update it.
you can do uncheck automatic update, in tools, options, advance,
update and set firefox to never check for update. as i did.
also, you can remove maintenance service in control panel add remove
programs or programs and features.
i also, did this task in about:config to be sure never update for firefox!
although i have windows xp and fortunately updating to firefox quantum
is not possible on xp.
but unfortunately github became a little unsupported with firefox 52.
for example: i cant follow nvda milestones anymore or edit my written comments.

On 11/13/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
This is just one review. here is a brief excerpt:
https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/download/security/spybot-search-destroy-2764-3248870/
It won't replace your antivirus package, but Spybot - Search & Destroy can
provide an important extra layer of security, helping you to detect and
remove even more malware

I suspect that will be the view of reliable sources you check. I don't know
anything about this source, but it looks reliable to me.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: David Russell
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:23 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


Hello Group,

To follow up with Gene and others:

I am using FF version fifty-two presently.
Again, I want to stay with this, and turn off the occasional notices
to update to FF 63 or whatever the numeric. I am not sure how to do
that or if I can?

Here is the link implying Spybot 2.7, which is on my computer,
contains anti-virus. My comment follows.
Here comes 2.7 - Spybot Anti-Malware and Antivirus : Spybot Anti ...
https://www.safer-networking.org/here-comes-2-7/Result Options
May 3, 2018 - This is the new Spybot – Search & Destroy 2.7.64. We are
proud to present a new version of Spybot – Search & Destroy that will
give you not only new features, but better security and faster scans.
Spybot 2.x FAQ

Comment: I am in search of an easy to use AV program and found Avast
difficult to run to install. I am not happy with Microsoft Security
Essentials, and AVG is difficult to update on my own as a blind
person. Thanks.
Best,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA and add-on updates when a http proxy is used

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi,

On Tue, November 13, 2018 10:10 am, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:
One has to ask oneself why you use a proxy. The usual reason is security,
ie the proxy can only allow access to certain bits of the web. The second
reason is that it stops true tracking if the receiving site sees a
different address each time.
There are much more reasons why proxy servers are used, but thats not the
point. The fact is, that many companies are using proxy servers and NVDA
seems not to be able to deal with such kind of environments which makes it
more difficult for people to keep their system up to date.

So, I'm not aware that anything out there allows you to do what you want.
Tecnicaly it should be no problem because other software is also able to
use the proxy to check for upgrades and install them. As long as only http
or https is used for the checks and downloads, the proxy should no
problem.

Maybe the system admins can arrange a pass through or maybe they can
monitor the sites for the add ons etc you want.

This is the last step to perform and in some environments this will be
inpossible due to security policies, e.g.

By all means raise an issue on Github, but I'm not sure how the devs
might view this.
Thanks for the hint with Github, I will create a request.

Ciao,

Schoepp