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Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I just found something interesting.  I am using firefox Portable and I uninstalled version 63 and then reinstalled it.  I had updated it before, from the first Quantum version through perhaps two others.  On reinstalling, I can see things in the extensions section I couldn't before.  Perhaps updating doesn't change things that need to be changed for better accessibility.  I'll see if browsing is better. 
 
I still don't know how accessible extensions are but I'll test with noscript again.  But now, I can get to the part of the dialog to disable or uninstal the add-on, which I couldn't before.
 
What I'm saying may apply to the installed version of firefox as well. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:42 PM
Subject: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does, I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be done? 
 
I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought likely to show up in results.
 
So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows 7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use that machine online.
 
Gene


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

That all depends on the add-on itself. Some are accessible and some aren’t. Noscript has it’s own website. https://noscript.net


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

Gene,

          Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions (Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

           I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome and Quantum are unconnected.

           Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does, I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be done? 
 
I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought likely to show up in results.
 
So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows 7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use that machine online.
 
Gene


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

That’s with code factory correct?  You have to buy it correct?

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

 

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

 

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all

applications...

 

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...

 

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

> I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI

> version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.)

> This is very helpful so thank you.

>

 

 

 


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

Does anyone have recommendations for good free synths with NVDA? I like the Windows 1 Core voices, but the consonants tend to be muffled and there are some odd pauses.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

To test Eloquence SAPI5:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:54 de 13/11/2018, Gene escreveu:

There is an illegal version that is an add-on.  There is also a legal add-on which, unless the artifacts problem has been solved, I do not recommend.  There is a SAPI 5 version that is legal.  It doesn't have the artifacts problem.
The legal demo and the SAPI 5 version both have demos and you should try both in case you have unexpected problems with the SAPI 5 version and in case the artifacts problem has been solved with the legal add-on, which I am very doubtful of.
Members can tell you where to get demos.  I haven't done this for a number of years.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* kelby carlson <mailto:kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA
I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence

Gene
 

If its free, it isn't legal because Eloquence is still being licensed and charged for by the owner.  If you pay, it's probably legal.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence

So is the SAPI 5 Eloquence  offered by Blind Help Project a illegal copy
of Eloquence?




Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gene
 

There is an illegal version that is an add-on.  There is also a legal add-on which, unless the artifacts problem has been solved, I do not recommend.  There is a SAPI 5 version that is legal.  It doesn't have the artifacts problem. 
 
The legal demo and the SAPI 5 version both have demos and you should try both in case you have unexpected problems with the SAPI 5 version and in case the artifacts problem has been solved with the legal add-on, which I am very doubtful of.
 
Members can tell you where to get demos.  I haven't done this for a number of years.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is a cracked version...
And the same we can say about many other software...

Rui Fontes


Às 17:00 de 13/11/2018, Don H escreveu:

So is the SAPI 5 Eloquence  offered by Blind Help Project a illegal copy of Eloquence?


Re: ccleaner new release

 

Yes, I am unsure why they feel they have to include this feature either.

It looks like it was part of android for a while and they are simply porting it over, one of those one size fits all jobs.

I could see why you wuld want it in a mobile phone, a set and forget, but quickclean is not really usefull for us really in fact some users have had it crash and they have made it just be off, but yeah, its not accessible and actually really not needed by us either.

On 11/13/2018 10:04 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The latest release has an issue. If you dally around when going through the buttons, on the new quick thingymajig, it auto activates, leaving you in an inaccessible window, which you have to close to carry on.
It seems to me this so called new feature is simply the old customise feature brought out on the top level and made not to work with a screenreader very well. Hitting custom seems to just behave as before.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner new release


Hi all.

Here is a new release and as usual the ini file is here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

The ini file has as usual the ics run for those that want to get the full benifits or simply don't want my file do a control f on ccleaner.ini in notepad and find cfg.

Select every line including the first cfg line and hit delete and then save the file and rerun the program.

Sadly quickclean and the settings to use it are as buggy as ever, ie I can't deselect the buttons or even do anything, and quickclean still has issues but at least now it starts by default as off.

Now as long as piriform or should I say avast corp in their infinit wizdom doesn't reenable the damn setting every few runthroughs that will actually be good.

I suspect the fact that its freezing on some units rather than my issue is probably the issue.

I really hope that at least in portable we don't have to handle these issues its why I switched to portable, firstly the visual panel and then to get away from system monitering.

The thing is, get past the inaccessible configuration and settings, the monitering, the extra not needed things like quickclean and the program is basically accessible once configured.

If you didn't have my ini file you would need sighted help to configure it once, but then you could also edit the ini file, settings mostly are true false 1 or 0 values mostly anyway.

There are custom ini files you can put in or get bits from to.

And there are ways to add things in if you need just remember eventually the datafile entries will slow the engine down.

With all that out the way, ccleaner is still in my view a good program.






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Eloquence

Don H
 

So is the SAPI 5 Eloquence offered by Blind Help Project a illegal copy of Eloquence?


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Please, include the message you are answering...
This way I don't know who you are refering...

Both are legal versions.
Both are commercialized by CodeFactory and distributors...

Beside those two versions are some addons not legal...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:52 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

Both the Code Factory, and the Tiflotecnia ones are legal. The others which which shouldn’t mention are those that folks who know programming, and who in there way want to help, have put together. Hope this helps some in clarifying.toin 

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 13 nov 2018, a la(s) 10:52 a. m., kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> escribió:

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla Continued

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

Brian, thanks for the input and things to think about per Spybot,
Mozilla, WaterFox and the like. I don't mind passwords being destroyed
by Spybot as I have them noted on a hard copy pad that only I can
read.

I just don't know how reliable Microsoft Security Essentials is or
was. Avast is to 'damn' difficult to install and as said, my history
with AVG wasn't user-friendly at update time.

The problem with the new FireFox versions is it throws off the way I
am used to navigating email and social media. I rely on both! Google
is searchable but just odd to navigate with new versions of FF.

I will look at WaterFox and decide. Meantime, if you or anyone has an
easy-to-install anti-virus program recommend, let me/us know. I prefer
free of charge.. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gene
 

It's not a Windows Voice.  it is, in one paid version, a SAPI 5 voice.  SAPI has nothing to do with whether something is a Windows voice.  SAPI is a Windows program interface that allows synthesizers to communicate with Windows.  The legal add-on is not SAPI.  As I said, there is a SAPI 5 version.  You should try both as demos if you are trying to decide which you want.  The legal add-on has lots of really annoying artifacts and, in my opinion, should either be fixed or withdrawn.  And the NVDA page about voices still doesn't caution users about this problem.  Nor does it tell users that a SAPI 5 version is available that doesn't have this problem.  This information should be on the site and users should be advised to try demos of both before making a purchase.  I've written about this before and the page hasn't contained this information and discussion for years.  This is a real disservice to users and it should be corrected yesterday.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

 

Hi,

I think this would be best suited for add-ons list, but the solution involves studying what’s called “text infos” – a routine used to work with text content.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 6:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

I tried down arrowing and pressing control very quickly after down arrowing.  That causes no speech to sound.  If you can have the add on activate control after every down arrow but not on the last one if you want that to be read, that should solve the problem.  I don't know if there is another solution on a more technical level but as a user without technical knowledge of the internal operation, that is what I found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:42 AM

Subject: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all applications...

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...


Rui Fontes

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

Darren Harris
 

When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33

 

I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use, there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

  1. Hit Alt, T.
  2. Arrow down to preferences.
  3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.