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Re: wonder vs. wander

 

Well to be honest, I know while I generally try to spell right enough to save my rear and can do so, I get over confident at times with my typing speed and so things can get messed up and most of the time I catch it.

Now speech wize, because we use speech technology we heavily rely on it.

Thats good but since no synth can know every language or word and pronounciations can slightly differ from word to word the synth and its data are not always correct worse, depending on the program you use the spelling is not correct.

While a few programs quite a lot of those in fact use country spaciffic languages most don't especially if they are unicode or old.

The default national languages are us and uk and while thats fine as a basis for language itself english wize, there are differences to spelling.

Its why I turn auto correct spell and gramma off where I can.

In fact in chrome, when filling out an email address, at some point, I will get a message that I have spelt something wrong because it thinks I am writing a sentence.

And while in office and some other programs like windows its gotten a lot better of late, there was a time not to long ago when I was in school at least back in 1998 where I was always failing because I spelt things wrongly.

I had relied on my computer spellchecker to fix words I didn't know and to check spelling but it was in us and always was in us language unless you manually changed it.

This trend went on as far as office 2010, with some change in 2013, in office 2016 you can change languages but things usually work.

Then there is a way a word is pronounced, it can be spelt wrong but sound fine or it can be spelt fine and sound wrong.

Next speech synths in general are not good with language switching, try to type a word in german on any synth that is more than a couple years old and maybe some of them still exist try to type a word in maori, german or anything other than your native language and if its not switched to that dictionary its not going to get it right neither will your spell checker.

Now with the way the cloud and the multi language thing works we seem to be able to get things on the fly a lot better.

Even if you have the automatic switches off if it finds something in another language it will usually try to speak it right, of course the voice could be an issue if you don't understand or have never heard that word before but my point is at least it tries.

One thing that I have found a slight disapointment is the availability of all languages in synths, espeak has come close to include a lot more varients than most.

However in my old realspeak, even though I am on uk some us vouls and pronouncements make it in  even in australian and I suspect that not everything got translated right and this is a high quality voice we are talking about now.

Even with all this set, there are no dialect synths for some countries, new zealand for example hasn't got one, maori hasn't got one, I don't give a damn about the maori language but if principal is to be believed then we really need synths that handle every language and we still don't.

So if I type a maori placename in a document, its never going to come out right because no language for it.

We use australian language because its the closest to us for the most part and its fine even then that uses the uk language set.

Point is we blind people are not bad spellers, our stuff is, as we get more data it will get better and with the cloud thats only going to improve but its never going to be perfect.

Eventually maybe once we get enough of them we can use braille to but maybe by then we will be able to no longer be blind anymore even so, it would be nice to get everything like my reader speaking in my own language just because is all.

And its not just the blind we rely a lot on spell checkers, automatic updaters, security programs, and a lot of things with their own rulesets.

If it goes we freak out big time, but your technology or whatever tool is only as good as its data set and thats a fact.

Its not crap if it screws up, sadly, not many people keep the datasets as updated as we should.

We spend time trying to stop x program stuffing up a lot more than trying to make sure the data works, even if it all worked we would still have issues.

People talk about the ai take over apocolipse thing.

It won't be the robots messing up, we will probably mess up first because of a glitch we  from something we rely on and freak.

Look at the news for example, facebook went down yesterday and its now the end of the world.

Take the net down and the world will end all right.

On 11/19/2018 7:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
My suspicion, and not just in this case, is that there is a widespread use of dictation (speech-to-text) software these days.  With words such as wonder and wander, when said in the flow of normal speech often sound remarkably similar, as the vowel gets what I call " schwa ( https://onelook.com/?w=schwa&ls=a ) -ed".  Unless you're using dictation software that has some AI features where it looks at surrounding context before closing in on the actual word wanted you'll often get substitutions like this.

It seems to be far more common on certain forums than others, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's way more common on blind and low-vision forums than elsewhere.  Since most individuals I know personally do know how to spell (at least as well as anyone else I know) and do so when typing, I have to suspect dictation software is at play at least a decent part of the time.
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Re: wonder vs. wander

 

Don't know where the "blind and visually impaired" in front of the "individuals I know personally" went in that last message, but it disappeared.

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Re: wonder vs. wander

 

My suspicion, and not just in this case, is that there is a widespread use of dictation (speech-to-text) software these days.  With words such as wonder and wander, when said in the flow of normal speech often sound remarkably similar, as the vowel gets what I call "schwa-ed".  Unless you're using dictation software that has some AI features where it looks at surrounding context before closing in on the actual word wanted you'll often get substitutions like this.

It seems to be far more common on certain forums than others, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's way more common on blind and low-vision forums than elsewhere.  Since most individuals I know personally do know how to spell (at least as well as anyone else I know) and do so when typing, I have to suspect dictation software is at play at least a decent part of the time.
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Re: Reading Charts

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the closest i can find is this add on but is more for a excel sheet and not a image. A screen reader if it has the ocr function may be able to ocr information but it is more for pulling text out of the image.

The link to this add on is https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioChart.en.html

I have not used it so do not know apart from what i read it does.


Gene nz


On 18/11/2018 9:56 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is 
because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to 
my laptop.

Thank you in advance.

Stephen





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Re: vlc app

JM Casey
 

I don't think there is a VlC list, but I believe Video lan does have a forum. You could try signing up to that.

BTW, you got a response from Sarah about Android; are you asking about an Android app or VLC on the PC? You did mention NVDA....

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 17, 2018 5:13 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] vlc app

I downloaded VLC, and also installed the VLC app for NVDA. Does any one know if there is a list for asking questions about VLC? Thanks in advance.


Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

A pertinent question is why wander is incorrectly used.  Is it because those who do so don't read Braille, were blind since birth and didn't learn to spell well because they didn't read words?  And, further, does the accent spoken where people live who make this mistake contribute to it?  Is wonder spoken more like wander in those regions? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to
see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time
to see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at
things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
curious about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may
never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.




Re: Reading PDFs in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

 

I don’t think I ever came across the problem that you mentioned. If you are using the 2019 version of Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, you can try what I did, which is downgrading to the 2018 version and disable automatic updates.

On 18 Nov 2018, at 17:18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

The problem I have with adobe pdf reader is the fact that I can't move backwards through the file. If I miss a sentence or something, and want to go back and see what it said, I can't do that, because it jumps back to the beginning of the file. As a result, I just ignore pdf files when possible, and convert them to something else when not. I don't use pdf unless absolutely necessary, and these days, it's seldom necessary.




wonder vs. wander

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too, especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.


Re: Reading PDFs in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The problem I have with adobe pdf reader is the fact that I can't move backwards through the file.  If I miss a sentence or something, and want to go back and see what it said, I can't do that, because it jumps back to the beginning of the file.  As a result, I just ignore pdf files when possible, and convert them to something else when not.  I don't use pdf unless absolutely necessary, and these days, it's seldom necessary.


Re: Reading Charts

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi Gene,

Thank you for the response.

I am sending the reports from my mobile to my laptop and wanted to see if there was a way for my laptop to read them out to me because at the moment I have my wife reading the data from the charts to me.

Not to worry, thank you.


Stephen


18/11/2018 14:09, Gene wrote:

No screen-reader can read images.  There is no written text to read.  Maybe you could use OCR to make the charts readable for a screen-reader but if accuracy matters, I have no idea how accurately the numbers would be rendered and you would have to check numbers that look wrong or not routine. 
 
But I don't understand the question.  You said you want to send the charts.  Aren't you sending them to a sighted person?  Why does it matter if NVDA can read them?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:04 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts

My apologies I should have mentioned that the charts are sent as images.


Regards

Stephen


On 18/11/2018 08:56, Stephen Costigan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
> because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
> my laptop.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Ccleaner the sequal

Gene
 

As I recall, the portable version of CCleaner is usually behind the installed version in when the company issues updates.  It's nothing to do with portable apps itself. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ccleaner the sequal

This is great news! I wonder why the portable apps version has not updated yet. I was hoping portable apps would pass the latest updates through like it does all the other apps but it hasn't done so for this ever since I got it. Meh, I'll just watch the list and grab an update when it suits me.


Re: Can't always blame NVDA

Gene
 

I'll see if I can find the Kim Komando article discussing this. 
 
I found it.
 
As you will see if you read the entire article and not just the how to delay updates section, there is ample reason to delay updates.
 
Gene
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA

How does one go about delaying an update. Windows 10 updates are automatic. I came to my machines and found a mess.

John

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11:41:51PM -0600, Gene wrote:
> Kim Komando, because of all the problems with the latest full update, advises people not to install the update earlier than it is offered to you and even then, to defer it if you can until it is clear that it is advisable to install it.  You can't put it off indefinitely, but there are ways to delay it.
>
> Microsoft originally  released this update obviously when it wasn't ready, and the same with the last full update.  I hope that, instead of people chomping at the bit to try the new full updates, that they wait to see if Microsoft has released a good update in future.  Of course, if someone wants to see what the latest is like and be a guinea pig, a beta tester after beta testing should no longer be necessary, that's fine, but for those who aren't in that category and who want dependability and reliability, I would always wait.  Even in the past, before Windows 10, people were advised to wait after a new version of Windows came out before adopting it.  Even with proper care, there are always going to be problems with a complex piece of software like this.  But the last two full updates have more and more serious problems than properly tested software should.
>
> Gene
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> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:26 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA
>
>
> Microsoft has caused a lot of trouble with their updates. One of the latest turned off Bluetooth on my laptop computer,
> so i couldn't get Braille output. My computer maintenance organization had to remote in and turn it bck on. My desktop
> machine was also behaving strangely after a recent update. I couldn't get any Braille output until I turned it off with
> the power button and then back on. Three boos for Microsoft.
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:05:59PM -0700, Jackie wrote:
> > This week my computer became really unresponsive to key presses. It
> > was right after a Windows 10 update, so I was blaming some sort of
> > incompatibility between W10 & NVDA. I was going to roll it back, but
> > for some reason I decided to do another test first & plugged a USB
> > keyboard into my laptop. Guess what? All the unresponsiveness
> > disappeared! Just goes to show sometimes that events surrounding
> > things like unresponsiveness, ie, such as an update, may be purely
> > coincidental & merely serve to throw a smoke screen. Troubleshooting
> > can be a real b-word, & I guess it's just best to keep all the
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> > Just sharing an experience on a Saturday in hopes it might help
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Re: Reading PDFs in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

 

I finally found a way to turn automatic updating off in Acrobat Reader DC, by disabling the update service in the Windows services configuration. I simply change the startup type to disabled.
Until the issue I mentioned in my original thread is resolved, either by new releases of either Acrobat Reader DC or NVDA or by a NVDA addon, I'll continue to use the 2018 version of Acrobat Reader DC (I'll most likely have to downgrade the copy on my desktop back home as well).


Re: Reading Charts

Gene
 

No screen-reader can read images.  There is no written text to read.  Maybe you could use OCR to make the charts readable for a screen-reader but if accuracy matters, I have no idea how accurately the numbers would be rendered and you would have to check numbers that look wrong or not routine. 
 
But I don't understand the question.  You said you want to send the charts.  Aren't you sending them to a sighted person?  Why does it matter if NVDA can read them?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:04 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts

My apologies I should have mentioned that the charts are sent as images.


Regards

Stephen


On 18/11/2018 08:56, Stephen Costigan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
> because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
> my laptop.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Ccleaner the sequal

 

This is great news! I wonder why the portable apps version has not updated yet. I was hoping portable apps would pass the latest updates through like it does all the other apps but it hasn't done so for this ever since I got it. Meh, I'll just watch the list and grab an update when it suits me.


Re: error updating

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

that is what I did a few days ago.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] error updating

Hi,

Okay. AT this point, I recommend going to addons.nvda-project.org, look for Windows 10 App Essentials, and download the stable version and install it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:07 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] error updating

 

this is the message I receive when I try to update:

 

[Window Title]
Error

 

[Content]
Error downloading update for Windows 10 App Essentials.

 

[OK]


Re: Can't always blame NVDA

John J. Boyer
 

How does one go about delaying an update. Windows 10 updates are automatic. I came to my machines and found a mess.

John

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11:41:51PM -0600, Gene wrote:
Kim Komando, because of all the problems with the latest full update, advises people not to install the update earlier than it is offered to you and even then, to defer it if you can until it is clear that it is advisable to install it. You can't put it off indefinitely, but there are ways to delay it.

Microsoft originally released this update obviously when it wasn't ready, and the same with the last full update. I hope that, instead of people chomping at the bit to try the new full updates, that they wait to see if Microsoft has released a good update in future. Of course, if someone wants to see what the latest is like and be a guinea pig, a beta tester after beta testing should no longer be necessary, that's fine, but for those who aren't in that category and who want dependability and reliability, I would always wait. Even in the past, before Windows 10, people were advised to wait after a new version of Windows came out before adopting it. Even with proper care, there are always going to be problems with a complex piece of software like this. But the last two full updates have more and more serious problems than properly tested software should.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA


Microsoft has caused a lot of trouble with their updates. One of the latest turned off Bluetooth on my laptop computer,
so i couldn't get Braille output. My computer maintenance organization had to remote in and turn it bck on. My desktop
machine was also behaving strangely after a recent update. I couldn't get any Braille output until I turned it off with
the power button and then back on. Three boos for Microsoft.

John

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:05:59PM -0700, Jackie wrote:
This week my computer became really unresponsive to key presses. It
was right after a Windows 10 update, so I was blaming some sort of
incompatibility between W10 & NVDA. I was going to roll it back, but
for some reason I decided to do another test first & plugged a USB
keyboard into my laptop. Guess what? All the unresponsiveness
disappeared! Just goes to show sometimes that events surrounding
things like unresponsiveness, ie, such as an update, may be purely
coincidental & merely serve to throw a smoke screen. Troubleshooting
can be a real b-word, & I guess it's just best to keep all the
possibilities in mind. This was addressed to no one in particular.
Just sharing an experience on a Saturday in hopes it might help
someone on their troubleshooting journey.

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Re: Can't always blame NVDA

 

Well who knows.

You can't stay on 7 for ever.

I do wander how computer manufacturers will keep up to date.

It has been tradition for example that eventually older stuff stopps being updated period.

Hp hasn't updated any of its own driver for my ay 127tu unit my aunt uses for well some of them at least 4 years.

The display was updated this february, the audio card hasn't had an update since last july and I use a generic driver now for that.

The keyboards driver was updated last march, the mouse uses a generic ms driver, the network wireless and bluetooth devices use generic intel drivers to.

The network drivers are generic now no updates from hp for them in ages.

The only things remotely recent are the chip firmware updated in july, the bios updated on the 9th of this month, and one of the interfaces that intel updated in may of this year.

There was also a couple firmware chip updates toward the end of last year.

But taking that all asside most of the programs havn't been updated since initial versions in 2016, and while after 1803 update a lot of drivers and programs were updated its not really been smooth sailing.

On the flip side, my older 4th gen unit had its last bios update in 2015.

Unlike the hp laptop which is modern with all the new features, I havn't loaded many of its drivers and most of those are for sensors and the like, and they have not been updated in ages.

Most of the drivers on that one are generic or ms drivers and there are no modern things to screw over it being 7 years old now.

In fact its gotten so bad that on the hp, after windows last disasterous issue, I did a full reformat, and wiped out the recovery, bios, eufi, and diagnostic partitions.

Now granted the only thing I now can't get is diagnostics, so I can't recover the bios if it corrupts, however I can't see the thing to recover the bios, and I can run the diagnostics in windows mode anyway.

I have a backup of the recovery partition not that I'd use it, and I have probably perminantly buggered the eufi firmware somehow but as long as I don't have a powercut while updating it or something really screws I won't have a problem.

Its unlikely I want to recover back to 1703 anyway.

On the flipside, I can no longer install some of the older drivers using certain folders which sucks but doesn't really matter that much.

The system runs fine without them.

Now a good person like me would back up the folders and I will in fact do this on my newer hp when I get it, there are 2 of them.

Over all that, I haven't had any issues with this cloud based unit, though granted I don't use microsoft clouds with it though its active.

The system has a google but not google drive.

Its using dropbox for a few things like updates and a few small documents, and icloud for everything else.

Google for email and everything over that.

Of course its entirely useless if there is no net.

I mean its got technically office on it, but no documents stored locally, and I guess I could read pdfs with it, but even the printer is net based.

I can still make and extract cds to but there isn't much set for it if it ever got offlined for some reason.

Then again if it screws there isn't much to put back.

I suspect its just going to be the way from now.

And in theory its a good idea  to be a servicing model on the other hand, I suspect microsoft didn't realise how while in a perfect world it would work but here its not always smooth sailing.

I think with windows 10 it seems right now the older your system is possibly the better off you will be.

For me I know that before I try to fix things if its bad, I reformat then I don't connect to the net not even to activate windows till I have loaded all my programs, and installed drivers I manually downloaded so windows doesn't try to be to smart then set everything up.

I am unsure about the updating every 6 months, I guess its better than spending 200 bucks every 6 years buying another windows that you never needed.

I am quite happy with windows xp to be honest.

7 is a lot better but even so.

On 11/18/2018 9:48 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
And that is exactly the issue, ie some sail through unscathed while others do not.

Several people I know have rolled back to the last update due to one of the recent ones making their machine slow eat battery and overheat.
These issues have to be driver related at the lowest hardware level.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic" <list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA


I am running the latest build 1809, and I am not facing any proglem with
it. I have one Varioultra running on bluetooth placed on the left
conected with bluetooth, and it run fine. and also i have not loused any
files.




Den 2018-11-18 kl. 06:41, skrev Gene:
Kim Komando, because of all the problems with the latest full update,
advises people not to install the update earlier than it is offered to
you and even then, to defer it if you can until it is clear that it is
advisable to install it. You can't put it off indefinitely, but there
are ways to delay it.
Microsoft originally released this update obviously when it wasn't
ready, and the same with the last full update. I hope that, instead
of people chomping at the bit to try the new full updates, that they
wait to see if Microsoft has released a good update in future. Of
course, if someone wants to see what the latest is like and be a
guinea pig, a beta tester after beta testing should no longer be
necessary, that's fine, but for those who aren't in that category and
who want dependability and reliability, I would always wait. Even in
the past, before Windows 10, people were advised to wait after a new
version of Windows came out before adopting it. Even with proper
care, there are always going to be problems with a complex piece of
software like this. But the last two full updates have more and more
serious problems than properly tested software should.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John J. Boyer <mailto:john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:26 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA

Microsoft has caused a lot of trouble with their updates. One of the
latest turned off Bluetooth on my laptop computer,
so i couldn't get Braille output. My computer maintenance organization
had to remote in and turn it bck on. My desktop
machine was also behaving strangely after a recent update. I couldn't
get any Braille output until I turned it off with
the power button and then back on. Three boos for Microsoft.

John

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:05:59PM -0700, Jackie wrote:
This week my computer became really unresponsive to key presses. It
was right after a Windows 10 update, so I was blaming some sort of
incompatibility between W10 & NVDA. I was going to roll it back, but
for some reason I decided to do another test first & plugged a USB
keyboard into my laptop. Guess what? All the unresponsiveness
disappeared! Just goes to show sometimes that events surrounding
things like unresponsiveness, ie, such as an update, may be purely
coincidental & merely serve to throw a smoke screen. Troubleshooting
can be a real b-word, & I guess it's just best to keep all the
possibilities in mind. This was addressed to no one in particular.
Just sharing an experience on a Saturday in hopes it might help
someone on their troubleshooting journey.

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Re: Reading Charts

Stephen Costigan
 

My apologies I should have mentioned that the charts are sent as images.


Regards

Stephen

On 18/11/2018 08:56, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
my laptop.

Thank you in advance.

Stephen





Reading Charts

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi,

Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
my laptop.

Thank you in advance.

Stephen