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Re: vlc app

JM Casey
 

Most of the standard features are easy to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.

On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.

Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make
reference to it later.

I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing
things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though
and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.

Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app

Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:
*https://wiki.videolan.org/*
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: vlc app

Brice Mijares
 

I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.

On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make reference to it later.
I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.
Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app
Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well: *https://wiki.videolan.org/*
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*/
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

I usually don't spell-check messages.  I read them before I send them to check for words that sound misspelled but also to make sure what I wrote is clear, accurate, such as commands given during describing a procedure, and not clumsily worded.  I may start spellchecking them as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is not to have spelling errors that are more than minor and to have clear writing and accuracy.  Rereading before sending is important in all those respects.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.  Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
 
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.  For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.  I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.  Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.  a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.  No one was flamed.  No one was disparaged.  These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.








Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
 

Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on how to spell something correctly. 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.  Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.

 

While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.  For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.  I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.  Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.  a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.  No one was flamed.  No one was disparaged.  These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.






Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.


Re: wonder vs. wander

 

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Gene wrote:
These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.
Amen, Gene!  (And I won't correct either of the spelling errors because they're not relevant!)

The message was also not specifically targeted at any individual, and dealing with misspellings of similar words or homonyms does create confusion, even if momentary.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

seb naudet
 

hello,

radiosure is a good alternative.

free version is ok for a daily use.

and there's a nvda addon with shortcuts  to quickly access volume,
favorits etc...


     all the best

Le 18/11/2018 à 22:18, Jacob Kruger a écrit :
Asking this since the older, free version of tapIn radio was perfectly
usable, but, they've now updated to what seems to be a paid-for
version, and while it's station listings will be kept up to date, the
older version will start lacking functional entries in the station
listings.


Now, while I understand paying for worthwhile software, I tried out
the demo version of the new software, and, didn't like it's reworked
interface, and, secondly, I don't see why I should pay for something
like this if there are free alternatives that people would recommend?


So, suggestions on what to try out?


Would be nice if you could record it's output via the software, but,
that's not the end of the world, since the main thing is being able to
browse station categories/catalogues, being able to then control
playback, audio output, etc. etc.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."



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Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.  Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
 
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.  For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.  I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.  Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.  a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.  No one was flamed.  No one was disparaged.  These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.








Re: Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

Gene
 

I haven't checked that interface much.  the search interface, where you search for a station by typing something like a country is different but similar to many applications.  Now, instead of just typing, there is a search button in the interface.  I don't know why you only see three stations or how you are looking.  I typed South Africa into the search field and searched.  I didn't count how many stations were found, but I downarrowed more than twenty times in the list and I was still moving to new stations.  I am using the newest version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

Well, for example, it seems to think that here in South Africa, there are only like 3 streaming radio stations?


Besides that, the genre/locality browsing interface is rather clumsy, but, suppose that might just be due to me being somewhat used to the previous interface.


I'll probably give it a try again, but, like said, doesn't help that it seems to think that there are only 3 radio stations under the South African locale, where the prior version shows up to something like 70+, but anyway.


Maybe I will be able to copy the listings across versions as well - who knows.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2018-11-19 1:54 AM, Gene wrote:
What didn't you like about the interface?  You don't have to pay to use it because of a design flaw or bug, whetever it is. 
 
After the demo period runs out, if you open the program and start it playing, it will be fully functional for a few minutes.
Then, an ok button will come up.  If you have already decided to listen to a specific station and have it playing, it will play that station until you activate the ok button.  The program will then close and the default web browser will open to the Tapin site.  of course, you can just close it.
 
To keep the playlist current, use the search for updates feature at intervals.  I haven't tried to see how often updates come out.  My impression is something like once a month or two.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

Asking this since the older, free version of tapIn radio was perfectly
usable, but, they've now updated to what seems to be a paid-for version,
and while it's station listings will be kept up to date, the older
version will start lacking functional entries in the station listings.


Now, while I understand paying for worthwhile software, I tried out the
demo version of the new software, and, didn't like it's reworked
interface, and, secondly, I don't see why I should pay for something
like this if there are free alternatives that people would recommend?


So, suggestions on what to try out?


Would be nice if you could record it's output via the software, but,
that's not the end of the world, since the main thing is being able to
browse station categories/catalogues, being able to then control
playback, audio output, etc. etc.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."



Re: vlc app

JM Casey
 

Hey.

Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make reference to it later.

I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.

 

Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

 

Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:  https://wiki.videolan.org/
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Reading Charts

Gene
 

But we don't know if that is at all likely.  I am assuming that the machine speaks and that the data has already been heard at the time the pressure was taken.  It's possible that there is a bug or problem with the machine so it isn't stored correctly but if it was correctly spoken, that would be very unlikely.  Also, my talking machine allows me to go back and check memories with speech.  Every time I've done so, the memory is correct.
 
While I agree that someone might want the reassurrance of making sure, it is very unlikely that errors will occcur.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts

Well I'd want to know what I'm sending. I would not want, for example my med
data to be shared if its just wrong
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts


No screen-reader can read images.  There is no written text to read.  Maybe
you could use OCR to make the charts readable for a screen-reader but if
accuracy matters, I have no idea how accurately the numbers would be
rendered and you would have to check numbers that look wrong or not routine.

But I don't understand the question.  You said you want to send the charts.
Aren't you sending them to a sighted person?  Why does it matter if NVDA can
read them?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Stephen Costigan
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:04 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts


My apologies I should have mentioned that the charts are sent as images.


Regards

Stephen


On 18/11/2018 08:56, Stephen Costigan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
> because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
> my laptop.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>










Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

These days, when there are no standards for writing on e-mail lists, instant messaging, texting, etc. people just write or dictate and never check anything.  So easily distinguishable or not makes little difference.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Could it be that they are dictating the text?
 I see this a lot on dictated text messages.
 Its also hard to hear the difference unless you spell the word.

In English though there are more odd things like
 There was a flaw in their argument, where the wrong There can get put in.

also he was made of the write stuff, instead of Right stuff.

 Enquires instead of enquires. I can easily miss such things as spell
checkers are of no use as they are valid words.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander


Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to
see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time
to see what's going on around you. You wander around, looking at
things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
curious about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may
never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.







Re: Ccleaner the sequal

Gene
 

Running a registry cleaner unless you think you have a problem caused by the registry is advised against by many computer advisors.  This is an example of why.  Obviously, this version of the program has a bug in it but even so, at times needless problems result even when a registry cleaner doesn't have one.
 
Why take even a small risk for no benefit?
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ccleaner the sequal

I do not know, I was wondering the same. However I found another bug in the
new version. I It removes some registry entries its not supposed to. When I
ran it on windows 7 after first setting a restore point, I'm not daft! It
got rid of my  default email links, and reconfigured the browser to use IE
and the media player to use Windows media player. Now I'm sure you could
tell it to ignore these but it seems its not reading the default settings
always. Interestingly on XP machines, no such funnies. So I put everything
back as it was. However I hd to reinstall Winamp as it also too all the
context menu options out but the restore did not put them back.

I do wish when software writers make new versions they exhaustively test
them on the versions of Windows they will encounter. I'm sure this is just a
bug where it fails to read the defaut parameter file but its irritating and
I can imagine it might upset somebody who does not understand concepts like
registry keys being pointers to  programs to use by default.
 Brian

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From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ccleaner the sequal


This is great news! I wonder why the portable apps version has not updated
yet. I was hoping portable apps would pass the latest updates through like
it does all the other apps but it hasn't done so for this ever since I got
it. Meh, I'll just watch the list and grab an update when it suits me.







Re: Question about command keys

Gene
 

Not as far as I know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question about command keys

Hi.
I know we have got the option in keyboard settings to enable the speaking of command keys such as backspace, delete, tab, arrow keys etc.
I was wondering if it is possible to enable some of the keys but not all of them?
For example some people feel more comfortable hearing the backspace and delete keys, but not the arrow keys and tab key.
Do you know if we can use configuration files to change this?
Thanks
Nikos


Re: vlc app

Brice Mijares
 

Brian, thanks for the info.

On 11/19/2018 6:52 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The forum for VLC is at: https://forum.videolan.org/
There's a register link on the page.
--
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*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: vlc app

 

Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:  https://wiki.videolan.org/
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Question about command keys

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I don't think so, but it would be nice. Maybe this is something the developers could consider in a future update.
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http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
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Re: vlc app

 

The forum for VLC is at:  https://forum.videolan.org/

There's a register link on the page.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: vlc app

Brice Mijares
 

No, I don't have any android devices. Thanks for the info on video land, I'll check it out.

On 11/18/2018 9:41 AM, JM Casey wrote:
I don't think there is a VlC list, but I believe Video lan does have a forum. You could try signing up to that.
BTW, you got a response from Sarah about Android; are you asking about an Android app or VLC on the PC? You did mention NVDA....
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 17, 2018 5:13 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] vlc app
I downloaded VLC, and also installed the VLC app for NVDA. Does any one know if there is a list for asking questions about VLC? Thanks in advance.


Re: Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

Jacob Kruger
 

Ok, Gene, just to provide an update that it was actually my own fault in terms of not locating the local radio stations - besides the treeview item for national radio, there is an additional one labeled regions, and, under there, under Africa, South Africa, there are over 100 stations listed, so, I will play around with the updated interface a bit more.


And, yes, nice to hear it tell me that it recognises that I am making use of NVDA, etc. - know they adopted forms of screen reader support a while ago, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018-11-19 1:54 AM, Gene wrote:
What didn't you like about the interface?  You don't have to pay to use it because of a design flaw or bug, whetever it is. 
 
After the demo period runs out, if you open the program and start it playing, it will be fully functional for a few minutes.
Then, an ok button will come up.  If you have already decided to listen to a specific station and have it playing, it will play that station until you activate the ok button.  The program will then close and the default web browser will open to the Tapin site.  of course, you can just close it.
 
To keep the playlist current, use the search for updates feature at intervals.  I haven't tried to see how often updates come out.  My impression is something like once a month or two.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Internet radio software recommended for use with NVDA?

Asking this since the older, free version of tapIn radio was perfectly
usable, but, they've now updated to what seems to be a paid-for version,
and while it's station listings will be kept up to date, the older
version will start lacking functional entries in the station listings.


Now, while I understand paying for worthwhile software, I tried out the
demo version of the new software, and, didn't like it's reworked
interface, and, secondly, I don't see why I should pay for something
like this if there are free alternatives that people would recommend?


So, suggestions on what to try out?


Would be nice if you could record it's output via the software, but,
that's not the end of the world, since the main thing is being able to
browse station categories/catalogues, being able to then control
playback, audio output, etc. etc.


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."



Re: wonder vs. wander

Rick
 

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.