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Re: Excel reads numeric cells in column E as exponents rather than cell value
Rick,
Well spotted, and interesting pickup. This is exactly why NVDA itself doesn't try to interpret information, but simply present it as it is displayed. Many synthesizers do try to interpret data, which is where you end up with St being read as "street" when it is actually used in the context of "saint" or dr for Doctor instead of drive.
In this case, it is processing the whole string (value and cell coordinates) as one piece of information: 1.24E4 is read as the scientific formatted number "1.24 times 10 to the power of 4". If the value was in the cell above it is read as "1.24 times 10 cubed" or in E2 as "1.24 times 10 squared". It is interesting to note that this affects the OneCore voices, and even then only some of them. On my system, I have ten OneCore voices. Of those: - David, Zira and Mark interpret the coordinates as you encountered - George, Catherine, Hazel, Susan, Linda, Richard or James, simply read it as it should be read: 1.24 E4
I just checked and of the David, Hazel and Zira Microsoft Speech API version 5 voices I have, David reads it as a scientific number, but Hazel and Zira both read 1.24 E4.
I will raise this with Microsoft and look to see if we can do anything with how we format the string, maybe we can put a comma in-between the pieces of information.
Hello NVDA List: The other day I was reading an Excel spreadsheet sent to me by a colleague. It had numeric values in column E. When reading these cells with Microsoft One Core voices (I am using Microsoft David) the cell name was read as an exponent to the power of 10. For instance, if the value 1.24 was present in cell E4, the speech produced, “1.24 time 10 to the power of 4” rather than 1.24 E4. This does not happen when using Espeak voices or SAPI 5 voices. Note, if the number in the cell is the result of a formula and not a direct value, the phrase, “has formula” is inserted between the number and the cell name, so it works as expected (i.e. 1.24 has formula E4). Note: This does not happen using Narrator, since Narrator reads the cell name first. I am running the latest released copy of NVDA, Office 365 desktop apps and Windows 10 Professional. Rick
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
Also, I don't know what fast boot does compared
with slow boot regarding saving registry changes. But regardless of
whether you are using fast or slow boot, if you use the restart command, it does
a complete shutdown before rebooting. So if you are using fast boot and
want to perform a full shutdown but not change the setting and then have the
machine reboot automatically, do a reboot, which will reboot the machine after
doing a complete Windows shutdown.
Also, I haven't used the ttool. That's why I
said at the start of my first message that if running the tool doesn't solve the
problem, try rebooting.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any
browser.
I think you will hear unknown from time to time
just because something is encountered that is unknown. I hear unknown now
and then. The problem solved by running the tool is that no browser text
is read an you hear unknown contstantly when you try.
If the problem is solved after you run the tool,
you don't have to shut down. Registry changes can be and routinely are
made while Windows is running. If they weren't, then changes you make to
most programs, which are stored in the registry, wouldn't take effect until you
reboot. This is not the case.
Changes are made to the registry but I don't think
the changes are saved until you shut down, so if you do an improper shutdown,
you will probably have to run the tool again. But if you do a proper
shutdown or a proper reboot, the changes will be saved.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any
browser.
When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it
the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing
"Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I
have restarted instead? Thanks!
Annette
On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ...
wrote:
Hi
The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down
the computer properly or just restart?
Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64
bit machine.
It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to
do. it must be done to the letter.
Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you
have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following
symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email
client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange
behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to
navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken
out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications
icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the
following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as
discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may
not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the
following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case
they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following
into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command
prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the
context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter
key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken
out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following
command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This
should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is
finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You
should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given,
NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows,
speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird
and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context
menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the
following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed
by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To
access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow
down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called
Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key. It should
register the files needed by NVDA.
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre
wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
Gene nz
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
Gene nz
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other
blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use
a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
I think you will hear unknown from time to time
just because something is encountered that is unknown. I hear unknown now
and then. The problem solved by running the tool is that no browser text
is read an you hear unknown contstantly when you try.
If the problem is solved after you run the tool,
you don't have to shut down. Registry changes can be and routinely are
made while Windows is running. If they weren't, then changes you make to
most programs, which are stored in the registry, wouldn't take effect until you
reboot. This is not the case.
Changes are made to the registry but I don't think
the changes are saved until you shut down, so if you do an improper shutdown,
you will probably have to run the tool again. But if you do a proper
shutdown or a proper reboot, the changes will be saved.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any
browser.
When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it
the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing
"Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I
have restarted instead? Thanks!
Annette
On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ...
wrote:
Hi
The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down
the computer properly or just restart?
Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64
bit machine.
It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to
do. it must be done to the letter.
Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you
have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following
symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email
client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange
behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to
navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken
out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications
icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the
following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as
discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may
not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the
following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case
they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following
into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command
prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the
context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter
key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken
out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following
command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This
should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is
finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You
should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given,
NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows,
speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird
and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context
menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the
following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed
by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To
access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow
down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called
Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key. It should
register the files needed by NVDA.
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre
wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
Gene nz
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
Gene nz
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other
blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use
a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
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problem with NVDA and libre office
Hi all, I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre office writer, such as left or centered. I will have alignment checked under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing. NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but still not alignment. When I go to other applications with text, like websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information. What am I missing here? Thank you so much for any help. Ashley --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Hi
I just upgraded my NVDA vlc add-on and it seems to have fixed the issue. Thanks to the add-on developers, this is an app I use a lot for teaching.
--Sile
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On 11/19/2018 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote: Hello
Yes, I have this installed. What is happening is that when I press alt-s to stop playing, say, it also pulls up the settings menu for effects etc.
--Sile
On 11/19/2018 1:08 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
There is also a NVDA add on app for VLC.
On 11/19/2018 9:46 AM, JM Casey wrote:
The pause button? Space bar will do it.
As for tagging songs/albums, I've not tried this and so am not sure. I will look into it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app
Yes, though I am still having issues with the 'pause' button not having a shortcut,
--Sile
On 11/19/2018 12:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Most of the standard features are easy to use.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app
I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.
On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make
reference to it later.
I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing
things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though
and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.
Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app
Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:
*https://wiki.videolan.org/*
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/
~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
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Hello
Yes, I have this installed. What is happening is that when I press alt-s to stop playing, say, it also pulls up the settings menu for effects etc.
--Sile
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/19/2018 1:08 PM, Brice Mijares wrote: There is also a NVDA add on app for VLC.
On 11/19/2018 9:46 AM, JM Casey wrote:
The pause button? Space bar will do it.
As for tagging songs/albums, I've not tried this and so am not sure. I will look into it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app
Yes, though I am still having issues with the 'pause' button not having a shortcut,
--Sile
On 11/19/2018 12:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Most of the standard features are easy to use.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app
I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.
On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make
reference to it later.
I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing
things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though
and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.
Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app
Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:
*https://wiki.videolan.org/*
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/
~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
Hi, Gene NZ,
yes, it's just from time to time, and context menu items read
just fine. I usually hear "Unknown" when I close a Firefox or
thunderbird window and there's no other windows open at that time.
I think it just doesn't really know what to do with the breif
limbo. LOL!
Annette
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/19/2018 3:02 PM, hurrikennyandopo
... wrote:
Hi
Shutting down wouldive done it then starting the computer back
up.
In the previous email there were some sections which said if
you hear unknown or pane in all browsers. Basically what would
happen there if nvda would not read any thing in any of the
browsers either by single letter navigation keys or even tabbing
in other words the browser was unuseable. You would also down in
the running applications area hear unknown even though there
were icons there. You would also notice it would not speak out
the context menu etc.
I know before the tool I typed in the section to register the
files under the command prompt rea and it fixed the problem.
the tool came out later.
If you are hearing unknow now and again it could be it just
does not know what it is or just slow page loading?
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 9:52 AM, Annette Moore
wrote:
When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or
restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's
working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to
time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have
restarted instead? Thanks!
Annette
On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM,
hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did
you shut down the computer properly or just restart?
Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on
my windows 10 64 bit machine.
It basically said if you are having these problems and
tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.
Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of
your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other
places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying
“unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email
client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or
“pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you
cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the
quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice
strange behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate
it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out
and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as
discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working
properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other
programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to
re-register your dll files in case they are causing the
problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the
search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located
command prompt, in the search results, press the
Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to
select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This
will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be
spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32
folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window
with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was
saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now
read the icons in the running applications area of Windows,
speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in
Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including
the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below -
with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA
- the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of
trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N
while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A
submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM
Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key. It
should register the files needed by NVDA.
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas
Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
Gene nz
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
Gene nz
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near
one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat
and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one
of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader
on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified
expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and
successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
Depends if you have fast startup enabled or not, But to be sure I advise to restart rather than shut down if you have fast startup enabled If you are not sure then restart is recommended
From: Annette MooreSent: 19 November 2018 20:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser. When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks! Annette On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote: Hi The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart? Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine. It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter. Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key. It should register the files needed by NVDA. Gene nz On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote: I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language. and i not uninstoal any softwear. I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun. one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu. and this is happen only with NVDA. On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote: Hi could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then you noticed it happening? By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which version? I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of caused it or when you uninstalled say office? Gene nz On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote: I try this. but not get sukcess. On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote: Hi have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i think the computer also has to be rebooted as well. If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were before it happened. Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff. There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there should be so people know what it is for. Gene nz On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote: Hello guys, facing big problem with NVDA. I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803. NVDA latest 18.3.2 version. Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying unknown and unknown. so this is happen with NVDA only. I try JAWS but JAWS working fine. Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version. but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days. and now same problem i am faceing. i tryed all browsers. So can anyone help me. -- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam. -- [Image NVDA certified expert] Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
Hi
Shutting down wouldive done it then starting the computer back up.
In the previous email there were some sections which said if you hear unknown or pane in all browsers. Basically what would happen there if nvda would not read any thing in any of the browsers either by single letter navigation keys or even tabbing in other
words the browser was unuseable. You would also down in the running applications area hear unknown even though there were icons there. You would also notice it would not speak out the context menu etc.
I know before the tool I typed in the section to register the files under the command prompt rea and it fixed the problem.
the tool came out later.
If you are hearing unknow now and again it could be it just does not know what it is or just slow page loading?
Gene nz
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On 20/11/2018 9:52 AM, Annette Moore wrote:
When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead?
Thanks!
Annette
On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?
Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.
Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and
press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content
of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow
down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key. It should register the files needed by NVDA.
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
Gene nz
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
Gene nz
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hi, Annette,
I used to be a medical transcriber years ago and at that time we
didn't have the technology we have now. You had to be both a
top-notch typist and speller. Spelling medical words can be tricky
at times. I'm glad I had a medical dictionary which helped a lot.
Rosemarie
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On 11/19/2018 12:47 PM, Annette Moore
wrote:
One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was
made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both
when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd
have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade
two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the
Grade two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that
was a huge no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm
sure that's probably changed. that said, though, I'm very
critical of myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise.
when it comes to others, though, I don't expect perfection
because not everyone learns the same way and as others have
pointed out, with English possibly being a second language for a
lot of people on this list, you're going to have speling errors.
I don't use spellcheck. Like Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts,
etc., to make certain they're clear,and if I don't hear any
errors, then they're sent.
Annette
On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to
type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it
as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No
one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd
years later. Story of my younger life eh?
Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and do not
visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills
over time, as we do not have the visual reminder
on daily basis on how to spell something
correctly.
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my
thinking about the message. Of course, if the
owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision.
While it is generally not done and not
considered proper, I think you are
overreacting. For one thing, I see this error
with native English speakers. I don't recall
seeing it with non native speakers. Since this
sort of discussion never takes place on the
list, I let it pass. a little variety is
enjoyable and may stimulate thought and
awareness. No one was flamed. No one was
disparaged. These days, being offended by
everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.
I don't see anything offensive in the message.
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you
are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe,
many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when
people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their
native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list
not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It
is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really
is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out
and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel
like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you
do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about
life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you
may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people
wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of
Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or
open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
know the content is safe.
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.
When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart?
I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better,
but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down
completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead?
Thanks!
Annette
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM,
hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you
shut down the computer properly or just restart?
Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my
windows 10 64 bit machine.
It basically said if you are having these problems and tells
you what to do. it must be done to the letter.
Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your
browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown”
or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email
client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or
“pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you
cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick
navigation keys
•
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange
behaviour
•
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
•
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and
other strange behaviour in Windows
•
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as
discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working
properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other
programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to
re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search
box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command
prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to
bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as
administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a
command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need
sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window
with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was
saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read
the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the
content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla
Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows
applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with
Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the
following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To
access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is
running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up.
Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing
tool... then press the Enter key. It should register the files
needed by NVDA.
Gene nz
On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre
wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
Gene nz
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
Gene nz
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
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[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
--
Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one
of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader
on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified
expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and
successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was
made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both
when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd
have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade
two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the Grade
two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that was a huge
no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm sure that's
probably changed. that said, though, I'm very critical of
myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise. when it comes
to others, though, I don't expect perfection because not everyone
learns the same way and as others have pointed out, with English
possibly being a second language for a lot of people on this list,
you're going to have speling errors. I don't use spellcheck. Like
Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts, etc., to make certain they're
clear,and if I don't hear any errors, then they're sent.
Annette
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On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to
type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it
as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one
ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years
later. Story of my younger life eh?
Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and do not
visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills
over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on
daily basis on how to spell something correctly.
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my
thinking about the message. Of course, if the
owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision.
While it is generally not done and not
considered proper, I think you are overreacting.
For one thing, I see this error with native
English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with
non native speakers. Since this sort of
discussion never takes place on the list, I let it
pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may
stimulate thought and awareness. No one was
flamed. No one was disparaged. These days, being
offended by everything is a cultural passtime and
fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the
message.
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are
probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe,
many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when
people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their
native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list
not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It
is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is
disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out
and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel
like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you
do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life,
the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you
may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people
wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of
Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open
attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
the content is safe.
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I was also proud of the fact that my spellchecker didn't alert me
to any spelling mistakes. LOL!
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On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 01:21 PM, Kwork wrote:
NVDA is saying awl words correctly, if exaggeratedly
at times.
Any time you hear a speech synthesizer saying something
"exaggeratedly" that should be a big, honkin' warning that
something's off.
Kudos, though, on this post. It was extremely clever.
I do, however, believe that one should be able to hear the
difference, even in synthesized speech in the middle of a
sentence, between pro deuce and produce (as but one example).
There's also the question of whether we're talking produce as a
verb or noun, as the stress is on the second syllable in the first
instance and the first syllable in the second. That being said,
the speed at which many blind individuals can understand voice
output from screen readers just astounds me. I could no sooner
wrap my head around speech that fast than fly to the moon using my
own arms as propulsion. If you have speech produced at ear
blistering (for me) speeds then the elisions between two short
words and a single word with the same phonemes becomes much harder
to suss out.
--
Brian - Windows 10
Home, 64-Bit, Version
1809, Build 17763
A great
deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and
Back
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
I would also note that because someone is using an email classifier that changes the subject line that there are now two parallel topics. If muting you'll have to do so from each. --
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Almost all lists have such links in the footers,
npot just Groups.io messages.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs.
wander
I hardly pay attention to these emails, so I did not know it was
in the body towards the bottom of the chain. -----Original
Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Monday, November
19, 2018 2:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re:
[EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander It's literally in the body of
every email. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Joshua Crary Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re:
[EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander Where do you go to remove
yourself from this emailing list? -----Original
Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Monday, November
19, 2018 2:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: [EXTERNAL]
- Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander The simple fact is that Beyond the
immediate world of family and friends perhaps, not making the effort to spell
and punctuate correctly comes off as incredibly sloppy/lazy and good luck trying
to be taken seriously. If you're dyslexic, well . . . that's maybe a different
ballgame but one doesn't have to be a grammar Nazi to at least
try. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander Its not just the blind, that goes for everyone world
wide mostly at least those of us in the west. My parients come from
indonesia and things happen at a slower pace. Even here, I try to be
reasonably quick, but then I haven't and will probably not ever work in any real
business except for myself. I havn't touched a report or coppy of office
since my university days. And while I have jarte, I hardly read a
document unless its for some experiment or test. Most things are in pdf
or text or just online. And while I don't mind the electronic side of
things if I can get into the physical guts of something then I usually do
that. Sadly these days its money, money, money, and fast, fast,
fast. We use automated tools a lot. Thats fine but we lose
something when we overuse those tools. Sadly those of newer generations
than myself are born into the automatic world and have no experience with
anything else. I have known a time before the net and facebook. My
parents have known a time before computers, water and power, radio and
tv. So many things we take for granted. Any war is far away for
most of the new people, me included. For my parients and others before
me, they have known 2 of those. The next generation will not even have
the discussion about anything like this though. We only care because we
know what it was like to have to spell without autocorrect. Soon enough
it won't matter how badly we spell. Thats sad but true. On
11/20/2018 8:05 AM, Tyler Wood wrote: > TLDR: We're all in such a panic to
get things done that no blind > person is going to take the two seconds
to see a spelling of an item > using a screen reader. I'm glad braille
displays are getting just a > little bit cheaper. > > >
Hi, > > This is why it is always best to keep braille around,
uncontracted. > > > Who actually uses a screen reader to see
how things are spelled? It is > so much easier to glance (sorry, with our
fingers) down at a braille > display, see that their (as belonging) is T
H E I R. Rather than > spelling it T H E R E because that's how it
sounds. > > > But, then there is the other argument that grade
2 braille teaches us > the opposite, so who knows. I know my spelling
deteriorated when I > stopped reading braille books and switched to
audio. > > > > On 2018-11-19 12:45 PM, Shaun Everiss
wrote: >> To be honest, we spell how we speak. >> >>
I don't say the t in capture or capcha, I know it exists but I don't
>> speak it. >> >> Usually if one does not know how
a word is spelt he will go how he >> speaks it because it sounds fine
enough. >> >> >> >> On 11/20/2018 7:30 AM,
Kwork wrote: >>> The only spelling anomaly common among blind people
that really >>> annoys me to no end is misspelling captcha as
capture. Bad enough in >>> everyday use, but worse when we're
filling out support tickets on >>> websites and professional
emails, and asking companies to make their >>> "captures"
accessible. Um, no. The form that includes an unsolvable >>> by
screenreader image verification is called captcha. c, a, p, t, c,
>>> h, a. >>> >>> On 11/19/2018 9:54 AM,
Gene wrote: >>>> I usually don't spell-check messages. I read
them before I send >>>> them to check for words that sound
misspelled but also to make sure >>>> what I wrote is clear,
accurate, such as commands given during >>>> describing a
procedure, and not clumsily worded. I may start >>>>
spellchecking them as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is
>>>> not to have spelling errors that are more than minor and to
have >>>> clear writing and accuracy. Rereading before
sending is important >>>> in all those
respects. >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message
----- >>>> >>>> *From:* Gene < mailto:gsasner@...> >>>>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM >>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>>
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the >>>>
message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the
>>>> controling decision. >>>> While it is
generally not done and not considered proper, I think >>>> you
are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native
>>>> English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non
native >>>> speakers. Since this sort of discussion never
takes place on the >>>> list, I let it pass. a little
variety is enjoyable and may >>>> stimulate thought and
awareness. No one was flamed. No one was >>>>
disparaged. These days, being offended by everything is a cultural
>>>> passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in
the message. >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message
----- >>>> *From:* Rick < mailto:softwarethatworks@...> >>>>
** >>>> *Gene* >>>> *----- Original Message
-----* >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21
AM >>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>>
Hello Travis: >>>> >>>> I find your email to be
quite insensitive. As you are probably >>>> aware, this list is
comprised of people from all over the globe, >>>> many of whom
are not native English speakers. I am always impressed >>>> when
people are capable of speaking an additional language other >>>>
than their native tongue and criticizing them for grammatical
>>>> mistakes on a list not focused on grammatical correctness
is petty >>>> and unwarranted. It is also off
topic. >>>> >>>>
Rick >>>> >>>> -----Original
Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> < nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On
Behalf Of >>>> Travis Siegel >>>> Sent: Sunday,
November 18, 2018 12:40 PM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>> Not
trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting
>>>> to see so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably. >>>> Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when
you're out and about, and >>>> don't have any particular place
to be, and you just feel like >>>> taking your time to see
what's going on around you. You wander >>>> around,
looking at things, and simply taking things easy. >>>> On the
other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
>>>> curious about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder
about life, the >>>> universe and everything, but if you wander
about such things, you >>>> may never find your way back to your
back yard, having being swept >>>> off into galaxies
unknown. >>>> And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering >>>> too, especially if you're wondering why so
many people wander into >>>>
things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >
. > Caution: This email originated from
outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments
unless you recognize the sender and know the content is
safe.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Send a blank message to
However, if you want to leave
because of this thread, I'm planning to ask that it stop at the end of
today. It's an interesting thread but since it is so offtopic, it probably
shouldn't continue beyond today. Also, if you look at the bottom of
messages, you will see a mute this topic link. I haven't followed it but
if you do, the purpose is to stop receiving messages in any thread you don't
want.
Gene
----- Original Message
-----
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Where do you go to remove yourself from this emailing
list? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Monday, November
19, 2018 2:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: [EXTERNAL]
- Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander The simple fact is that Beyond the
immediate world of family and friends perhaps, not making the effort to spell
and punctuate correctly comes off as incredibly sloppy/lazy and good luck trying
to be taken seriously. If you're dyslexic, well . . . that's maybe a different
ballgame but one doesn't have to be a grammar Nazi to at least
try. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander Its not just the blind, that goes for everyone world
wide mostly at least those of us in the west. My parients come from
indonesia and things happen at a slower pace. Even here, I try to be
reasonably quick, but then I haven't and will probably not ever work in any real
business except for myself. I havn't touched a report or coppy of office
since my university days. And while I have jarte, I hardly read a
document unless its for some experiment or test. Most things are in pdf
or text or just online. And while I don't mind the electronic side of
things if I can get into the physical guts of something then I usually do
that. Sadly these days its money, money, money, and fast, fast,
fast. We use automated tools a lot. Thats fine but we lose
something when we overuse those tools. Sadly those of newer generations
than myself are born into the automatic world and have no experience with
anything else. I have known a time before the net and facebook. My
parents have known a time before computers, water and power, radio and
tv. So many things we take for granted. Any war is far away for
most of the new people, me included. For my parients and others before
me, they have known 2 of those. The next generation will not even have
the discussion about anything like this though. We only care because we
know what it was like to have to spell without autocorrect. Soon enough
it won't matter how badly we spell. Thats sad but true. On
11/20/2018 8:05 AM, Tyler Wood wrote: > TLDR: We're all in such a panic to
get things done that no blind > person is going to take the two seconds
to see a spelling of an item > using a screen reader. I'm glad braille
displays are getting just a > little bit cheaper. > > >
Hi, > > This is why it is always best to keep braille around,
uncontracted. > > > Who actually uses a screen reader to see
how things are spelled? It is > so much easier to glance (sorry, with our
fingers) down at a braille > display, see that their (as belonging) is T
H E I R. Rather than > spelling it T H E R E because that's how it
sounds. > > > But, then there is the other argument that grade
2 braille teaches us > the opposite, so who knows. I know my spelling
deteriorated when I > stopped reading braille books and switched to
audio. > > > > On 2018-11-19 12:45 PM, Shaun Everiss
wrote: >> To be honest, we spell how we speak. >> >>
I don't say the t in capture or capcha, I know it exists but I don't
>> speak it. >> >> Usually if one does not know how
a word is spelt he will go how he >> speaks it because it sounds fine
enough. >> >> >> >> On 11/20/2018 7:30 AM,
Kwork wrote: >>> The only spelling anomaly common among blind people
that really >>> annoys me to no end is misspelling captcha as
capture. Bad enough in >>> everyday use, but worse when we're
filling out support tickets on >>> websites and professional
emails, and asking companies to make their >>> "captures"
accessible. Um, no. The form that includes an unsolvable >>> by
screenreader image verification is called captcha. c, a, p, t, c,
>>> h, a. >>> >>> On 11/19/2018 9:54 AM,
Gene wrote: >>>> I usually don't spell-check messages. I read
them before I send >>>> them to check for words that sound
misspelled but also to make sure >>>> what I wrote is clear,
accurate, such as commands given during >>>> describing a
procedure, and not clumsily worded. I may start >>>>
spellchecking them as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is
>>>> not to have spelling errors that are more than minor and to
have >>>> clear writing and accuracy. Rereading before
sending is important >>>> in all those
respects. >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message
----- >>>> >>>> *From:* Gene < mailto:gsasner@...> >>>>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM >>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>>
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the >>>>
message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the
>>>> controling decision. >>>> While it is
generally not done and not considered proper, I think >>>> you
are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native
>>>> English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non
native >>>> speakers. Since this sort of discussion never
takes place on the >>>> list, I let it pass. a little
variety is enjoyable and may >>>> stimulate thought and
awareness. No one was flamed. No one was >>>>
disparaged. These days, being offended by everything is a cultural
>>>> passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in
the message. >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message
----- >>>> *From:* Rick < mailto:softwarethatworks@...> >>>>
** >>>> *Gene* >>>> *----- Original Message
-----* >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21
AM >>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>>
Hello Travis: >>>> >>>> I find your email to be
quite insensitive. As you are probably >>>> aware, this list is
comprised of people from all over the globe, >>>> many of whom
are not native English speakers. I am always impressed >>>> when
people are capable of speaking an additional language other >>>>
than their native tongue and criticizing them for grammatical
>>>> mistakes on a list not focused on grammatical correctness
is petty >>>> and unwarranted. It is also off
topic. >>>> >>>>
Rick >>>> >>>> -----Original
Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> < nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On
Behalf Of >>>> Travis Siegel >>>> Sent: Sunday,
November 18, 2018 12:40 PM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>>> >>>> Not
trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting
>>>> to see so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably. >>>> Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when
you're out and about, and >>>> don't have any particular place
to be, and you just feel like >>>> taking your time to see
what's going on around you. You wander >>>> around,
looking at things, and simply taking things easy. >>>> On the
other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
>>>> curious about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder
about life, the >>>> universe and everything, but if you wander
about such things, you >>>> may never find your way back to your
back yard, having being swept >>>> off into galaxies
unknown. >>>> And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering >>>> too, especially if you're wondering why so
many people wander into >>>>
things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >
. > Caution: This email originated from
outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments
unless you recognize the sender and know the content is
safe.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Why not mute the occasional topic if it's not of interest? That link is at the end of every message, too. --
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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I do and many other people do. When you see
the word captcha and you know you intend to use it, it doesn't take that long to
check it. If it does, then the person isn't using the technology
efficiently. It is important for Braille users not to diminish what can
and should be done with speech. That is implying a superiority of Braille
which is true for some uses, not true for others.
Note that I didn't say Braille is inferior for any
uses, I'm saying that the assumption that speech users must be at a disadvantage
in situations where they don't have to be is an unsupported and incorrect
assumption.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
TLDR: We're all in such a panic to get things done that no blind
person is going to take the two seconds to see a spelling of an item using a
screen reader. I'm glad braille displays are getting just a little bit
cheaper. Hi, This is why it is always best to keep braille
around, uncontracted. Who actually uses a screen reader to see how
things are spelled? It is so much easier to glance (sorry, with our fingers)
down at a braille display, see that their (as belonging) is T H E I R.
Rather than spelling it T H E R E because that's how it
sounds. But, then there is the other argument that grade 2 braille
teaches us the opposite, so who knows. I know my spelling deteriorated when
I stopped reading braille books and switched to audio. On
2018-11-19 12:45 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote: > To be honest, we spell how we
speak. > > I don't say the t in capture or capcha, I know it exists
but I don't > speak it. > > Usually if one does not know how
a word is spelt he will go how he > speaks it because it sounds fine
enough. > > > > On 11/20/2018 7:30 AM, Kwork
wrote: >> The only spelling anomaly common among blind people that
really >> annoys me to no end is misspelling captcha as capture. Bad
enough in >> everyday use, but worse when we're filling out support
tickets on >> websites and professional emails, and asking companies
to make their >> "captures" accessible. Um, no. The form that includes
an unsolvable >> by screenreader image verification is called captcha.
c, a, p, t, c, >> h, a. >> >> On 11/19/2018 9:54 AM,
Gene wrote: >>> I usually don't spell-check messages. I read
them before I send >>> them to check for words that sound
misspelled but also to make sure >>> what I wrote is clear,
accurate, such as commands given during >>> describing a
procedure, and not clumsily worded. I may start >>>
spellchecking them as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is
>>> not to have spelling errors that are more than minor and to
have >>> clear writing and accuracy. Rereading before sending
is important >>> in all those respects. >>>
Gene >>> ----- Original Message
----- >>> >>> *From:* Gene < mailto:gsasner@...> >>>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>> >>> I'm
writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the >>>
message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the
>>> controling decision. >>> While it is generally not
done and not considered proper, I think >>> you are
overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native >>>
English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non native
>>> speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place
on the >>> list, I let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable
and may >>> stimulate thought and awareness. No one was
flamed. No one was >>> disparaged. These days, being offended
by everything is a cultural >>> passtime and fixsture. I
don't see anything offensive in the message. >>>
Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Rick
< mailto:softwarethatworks@...> >>>
** >>> *Gene* >>> *----- Original Message
-----* >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM >>>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>> >>> Hello
Travis: >>> >>> I find your email to be quite
insensitive. As you are probably >>> aware, this >>>
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom
>>> are not >>> native English speakers. I am always
impressed when people are >>> capable of >>> speaking
an additional language other than their native tongue and >>>
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused
on >>> grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also
off topic. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>>
-----Original Message----- >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> < nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On
Behalf Of >>> Travis Siegel >>> Sent: Sunday, November
18, 2018 12:40 PM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >>> >>> Not trying to
make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting >>> to
see >>> so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably. >>> Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're
out and about, and >>> don't >>> have any particular
place to be, and you just feel like taking your >>> time
to >>> see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at >>> things, and >>> simply taking things
easy. >>> On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do
when you're >>> curious >>> about something.
Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and >>> everything,
but if you wander about such things, you may never find >>> your
way >>> back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies
unknown. >>> And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering >>> too, >>> especially if you're
wondering why so many people wander into
things. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >
>
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I think one reason people spell it as capture is
because many English accents or dialects don't pronounce r's at the end of
words. So captcha and capture sound identical or very similar.
Sighted people who know how to spell or who see daily,
that all sorts of names or acronyms are not spelled as they sound, don't do
so. Blind people should be rigorously taught, as a part of learning to use
computer technology to check spelling when using names and acronyms except when
there is no doubt and no possibility of ambiguity, when using speech. No
one has thought to make this a standard part of training materials. It is
so important that, even if the rest of the tutorial or manual has nothing to do
with such topics, there should be a section emphasizing that at the start of all
such material. I wish I had realized that when I created my Internet
tutorial years ago.
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Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
To be honest, we spell how we speak. I don't say the t in
capture or capcha, I know it exists but I don't speak it. Usually if
one does not know how a word is spelt he will go how he speaks it because it
sounds fine enough. On 11/20/2018 7:30 AM, Kwork wrote: >
The only spelling anomaly common among blind people that really annoys >
me to no end is misspelling captcha as capture. Bad enough in everyday >
use, but worse when we're filling out support tickets on websites and >
professional emails, and asking companies to make their "captures" >
accessible. Um, no. The form that includes an unsolvable by >
screenreader image verification is called captcha. c, a, p, t, c, h,
a. > > On 11/19/2018 9:54 AM, Gene wrote: >> I usually
don't spell-check messages. I read them before I send them >> to
check for words that sound misspelled but also to make sure what I >>
wrote is clear, accurate, such as commands given during describing a
>> procedure, and not clumsily worded. I may start
spellchecking them >> as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is
not to have spelling >> errors that are more than minor and to have
clear writing and >> accuracy. Rereading before sending is
important in all those respects. >> Gene >> ----- Original
Message ----- >> >> *From:* Gene < mailto:gsasner@...> >>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >> >> I'm writing as a
moderator to explain my thinking about the message. >> Of
course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision. >> While it is generally not done and not considered proper,
I think you >> are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error
with native >> English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with
non native >> speakers. Since this sort of discussion never
takes place on the >> list, I let it pass. a little variety is
enjoyable and may stimulate >> thought and awareness. No one was
flamed. No one was disparaged. >> These days, being offended by
everything is a cultural passtime and >> fixsture. I don't see
anything offensive in the message. >> Gene >> ----- Original
Message ----- >> *From:* Rick < mailto:softwarethatworks@...> >>
** >> *Gene* >> *----- Original Message -----* >>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >> >> Hello
Travis: >> >> I find your email to be quite insensitive. As
you are probably aware, >> this >> list is comprised of
people from all over the globe, many of whom are >> not >>
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are >>
capable of >> speaking an additional language other than their native
tongue and >> criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not
focused on >> grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is
also off topic. >> >> Rick >> >>
-----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> < nvda@nvda.groups.io
< mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of >> Travis Siegel >> Sent: Sunday, November 18,
2018 12:40 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander >> >> Not trying to make
anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting >> to see >>
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably. >> Wander
(with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't >>
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your >>
time to >> see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at >> things, and >> simply taking things
easy. >> On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when
you're >> curious >> about something. Yeah, it's ok to
wonder about life, the universe and >> everything, but if you wander
about such things, you may never find >> your way >> back to
your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown. >> And,
of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too, >>
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into
things. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
I hardly pay attention to these emails, so I did not know it was in the body towards the bottom of the chain.
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander It's literally in the body of every email. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua Crary Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander Where do you go to remove yourself from this emailing list? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander The simple fact is that Beyond the immediate world of family and friends perhaps, not making the effort to spell and punctuate correctly comes off as incredibly sloppy/lazy and good luck trying to be taken seriously. If you're dyslexic, well . . . that's maybe a different ballgame but one doesn't have to be a grammar Nazi to at least try. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander Its not just the blind, that goes for everyone world wide mostly at least those of us in the west. My parients come from indonesia and things happen at a slower pace. Even here, I try to be reasonably quick, but then I haven't and will probably not ever work in any real business except for myself. I havn't touched a report or coppy of office since my university days. And while I have jarte, I hardly read a document unless its for some experiment or test. Most things are in pdf or text or just online. And while I don't mind the electronic side of things if I can get into the physical guts of something then I usually do that. Sadly these days its money, money, money, and fast, fast, fast. We use automated tools a lot. Thats fine but we lose something when we overuse those tools. Sadly those of newer generations than myself are born into the automatic world and have no experience with anything else. I have known a time before the net and facebook. My parents have known a time before computers, water and power, radio and tv. So many things we take for granted. Any war is far away for most of the new people, me included. For my parients and others before me, they have known 2 of those. The next generation will not even have the discussion about anything like this though. We only care because we know what it was like to have to spell without autocorrect. Soon enough it won't matter how badly we spell. Thats sad but true. On 11/20/2018 8:05 AM, Tyler Wood wrote: TLDR: We're all in such a panic to get things done that no blind
person is going to take the two seconds to see a spelling of an item
using a screen reader. I'm glad braille displays are getting just a
little bit cheaper.
Hi,
This is why it is always best to keep braille around, uncontracted.
Who actually uses a screen reader to see how things are spelled? It is
so much easier to glance (sorry, with our fingers) down at a braille
display, see that their (as belonging) is T H E I R. Rather than
spelling it T H E R E because that's how it sounds.
But, then there is the other argument that grade 2 braille teaches us
the opposite, so who knows. I know my spelling deteriorated when I
stopped reading braille books and switched to audio.
On 2018-11-19 12:45 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, we spell how we speak.
I don't say the t in capture or capcha, I know it exists but I don't
speak it.
Usually if one does not know how a word is spelt he will go how he
speaks it because it sounds fine enough.
On 11/20/2018 7:30 AM, Kwork wrote:
The only spelling anomaly common among blind people that really
annoys me to no end is misspelling captcha as capture. Bad enough in
everyday use, but worse when we're filling out support tickets on
websites and professional emails, and asking companies to make their
"captures" accessible. Um, no. The form that includes an unsolvable
by screenreader image verification is called captcha. c, a, p, t, c,
h, a.
On 11/19/2018 9:54 AM, Gene wrote:
I usually don't spell-check messages. I read them before I send
them to check for words that sound misspelled but also to make sure
what I wrote is clear, accurate, such as commands given during
describing a procedure, and not clumsily worded. I may start
spellchecking them as well but my main concern on e-mail lists is
not to have spelling errors that are more than minor and to have
clear writing and accuracy. Rereading before sending is important
in all those respects.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:16 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the
message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the
controling decision.
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think
you are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native
English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non native
speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the
list, I let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may
stimulate thought and awareness. No one was flamed. No one was
disparaged. These days, being offended by everything is a cultural
passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the message.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rick <mailto:softwarethatworks@...>
**
*Gene*
*----- Original Message -----*
*Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably
aware, this list is comprised of people from all over the globe,
many of whom are not native English speakers. I am always impressed
when people are capable of speaking an additional language other
than their native tongue and criticizing them for grammatical
mistakes on a list not focused on grammatical correctness is petty
and unwarranted. It is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting
to see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and
don't have any particular place to be, and you just feel like
taking your time to see what's going on around you. You wander
around, looking at things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
curious about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you
may never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept
off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering
too, especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into
things.
.
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