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Re: problem with NVDA and libre office

 

hi.
both openoffice and libreoffice dont support reporting alignment for
nvda screen reader.
i am not sure about jaws and libreoffice compatibility with jaws, but
i am sure that you cant read alignment information when using
libreoffice or openoffice.

On 11/20/18, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,


I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre
office writer, such as left or centered.  I will have alignment checked
under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.
NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but
still not alignment.  When I go to other applications with text, like
websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information.  What
am I missing here?  Thank you so much for any help.

Ashley



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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Annette Moore
 

Thanks, Gene.

Annette

On 11/19/2018 4:22 PM, Gene wrote:
I think you will hear unknown from time to time just because something is encountered that is unknown.  I hear unknown now and then.  The problem solved by running the tool is that no browser text is read an you hear unknown contstantly when you try. 
 
If the problem is solved after you run the tool, you don't have to shut down.  Registry changes can be and routinely are made while Windows is running.  If they weren't, then changes you make to most programs, which are stored in the registry, wouldn't take effect until you reboot.  This is not the case.
 
Changes are made to the registry but I don't think the changes are saved until you shut down, so if you do an improper shutdown, you will probably have to run the tool again.  But if you do a proper shutdown or a proper reboot, the changes will be saved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





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Re: Excel reads numeric cells in column E as exponents rather than cell value

Rick
 

Hello Quentin:

 

Thanks for taking my observation a bit further by trying additional voices.

 

On a somewhat related topic, if I remember correctly from my sighted days, Excel showed the selected cell reference in a small window in the upper left corner, just under the menu. If a cell was named, the name was shown instead of the cell reference. Is there an easy way to have NVDA speak a cell’s name instead of its reference value?

 

Thanks, Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel reads numeric cells in column E as exponents rather than cell value

 

Rick,

 

Well spotted, and interesting pickup.  This is exactly why NVDA itself doesn't try to interpret information, but simply present it as it is displayed.  Many synthesizers do try to interpret data, which is where you end up with St being read as "street" when it is actually used in the context of "saint" or dr for Doctor instead of drive.

 

In this case, it is processing the whole string (value and cell coordinates) as one piece of information: 1.24E4 is read as the scientific formatted number "1.24 times 10 to the power of 4".  If the value was in the cell above it is read as "1.24 times 10 cubed" or in E2 as "1.24 times 10 squared".  It is interesting to note that this affects the OneCore voices, and even then only some of them.  On my system, I have ten OneCore voices.  Of those:

- David, Zira and Mark interpret the coordinates as you encountered

- George, Catherine, Hazel, Susan, Linda, Richard or James, simply read it as it should be read: 1.24 E4

 

I just checked and of the David, Hazel and Zira Microsoft Speech API version 5 voices I have, David reads it as a scientific number, but Hazel and Zira both read 1.24 E4.

 

I will raise this with Microsoft and look to see if we can do anything with how we format the string, maybe we can put a comma in-between the pieces of information.

 

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:47 PM Rick <softwarethatworks@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA List:

 

The other day I was reading an Excel  spreadsheet sent to me by a colleague. It had numeric values in column E. When reading these cells with Microsoft One Core voices (I am using Microsoft David) the cell name was read as an exponent to the power of 10. For instance, if the value 1.24 was present in cell E4, the speech produced, “1.24 time 10 to the power of 4” rather than 1.24 E4. This does not happen when using Espeak voices or SAPI 5 voices. Note, if the number in the cell is the result of a formula and not a direct value, the phrase, “has formula” is inserted between the number and the cell name, so it works as expected (i.e. 1.24 has formula E4).

 

Note: This does not happen using Narrator, since Narrator reads the cell name first.

 

I am running the latest released copy of NVDA, Office 365 desktop apps and Windows 10 Professional.

 

Rick

 


 

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Re: Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Looks like it's about time for my quarterly re-run of the following information:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

 

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Re: wonder vs. wander

 

Hello.
I'm a bit late to this topic but I'm answering it just because I think your point, Gene, very interesting.
I don't saw anything offensive about that message, too. And I completely agree with you when you say about being offended with everything. I really think people shouldn't take stuff too personal as they actually do.
Just saying, I'm a brazilian, so English isn't my first language. In my point of view I liked the way Travis exposed her opinion, even a little fun how he joked with the words and their differences.
Well, that's all, I really just wanted to express my view to this topic.
Em 19/11/2018 14:16, Gene escreveu:

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.� Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
�
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.� For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.� I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.� Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.� a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.� No one was flamed.� No one was disparaged.� These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.� I don't see anything offensive in the message.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.� You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.� Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.









Re: Question about command keys

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nikos,

As others have replied, it is not currently possible, however, it is something which is asked about regularly, and there are several open requests on our issue tracker for it, eg: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

Subscribing to the issue will ensure you are kept up to date with that conversation and any updates to it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:00 PM Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi.
I know we have got the option in keyboard settings to enable the speaking of command keys such as backspace, delete, tab, arrow keys etc.
I was wondering if it is possible to enable some of the keys but not all of them?
For example some people feel more comfortable hearing the backspace and delete keys, but not the arrow keys and tab key.
Do you know if we can use configuration files to change this?
Thanks
Nikos



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Re: Excel reads numeric cells in column E as exponents rather than cell value

Quentin Christensen
 

Rick,

Well spotted, and interesting pickup.  This is exactly why NVDA itself doesn't try to interpret information, but simply present it as it is displayed.  Many synthesizers do try to interpret data, which is where you end up with St being read as "street" when it is actually used in the context of "saint" or dr for Doctor instead of drive.

In this case, it is processing the whole string (value and cell coordinates) as one piece of information: 1.24E4 is read as the scientific formatted number "1.24 times 10 to the power of 4".  If the value was in the cell above it is read as "1.24 times 10 cubed" or in E2 as "1.24 times 10 squared".  It is interesting to note that this affects the OneCore voices, and even then only some of them.  On my system, I have ten OneCore voices.  Of those:
- David, Zira and Mark interpret the coordinates as you encountered
- George, Catherine, Hazel, Susan, Linda, Richard or James, simply read it as it should be read: 1.24 E4

I just checked and of the David, Hazel and Zira Microsoft Speech API version 5 voices I have, David reads it as a scientific number, but Hazel and Zira both read 1.24 E4.

I will raise this with Microsoft and look to see if we can do anything with how we format the string, maybe we can put a comma in-between the pieces of information.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:47 PM Rick <softwarethatworks@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA List:

 

The other day I was reading an Excel  spreadsheet sent to me by a colleague. It had numeric values in column E. When reading these cells with Microsoft One Core voices (I am using Microsoft David) the cell name was read as an exponent to the power of 10. For instance, if the value 1.24 was present in cell E4, the speech produced, “1.24 time 10 to the power of 4” rather than 1.24 E4. This does not happen when using Espeak voices or SAPI 5 voices. Note, if the number in the cell is the result of a formula and not a direct value, the phrase, “has formula” is inserted between the number and the cell name, so it works as expected (i.e. 1.24 has formula E4).

 

Note: This does not happen using Narrator, since Narrator reads the cell name first.

 

I am running the latest released copy of NVDA, Office 365 desktop apps and Windows 10 Professional.

 

Rick

 



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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Gene
 

Also, I don't know what fast boot does compared with slow boot regarding saving registry changes.  But regardless of whether you are using fast or slow boot, if you use the restart command, it does a complete shutdown before rebooting.  So if you are using fast boot and want to perform a full shutdown but not change the setting and then have the machine reboot automatically, do a reboot, which will reboot the machine after doing a complete Windows shutdown.
 
Also, I haven't used the ttool.  That's why I said at the start of my first message that if running the tool doesn't solve the problem, try rebooting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

I think you will hear unknown from time to time just because something is encountered that is unknown.  I hear unknown now and then.  The problem solved by running the tool is that no browser text is read an you hear unknown contstantly when you try. 
 
If the problem is solved after you run the tool, you don't have to shut down.  Registry changes can be and routinely are made while Windows is running.  If they weren't, then changes you make to most programs, which are stored in the registry, wouldn't take effect until you reboot.  This is not the case.
 
Changes are made to the registry but I don't think the changes are saved until you shut down, so if you do an improper shutdown, you will probably have to run the tool again.  But if you do a proper shutdown or a proper reboot, the changes will be saved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Gene
 

I think you will hear unknown from time to time just because something is encountered that is unknown.  I hear unknown now and then.  The problem solved by running the tool is that no browser text is read an you hear unknown contstantly when you try. 
 
If the problem is solved after you run the tool, you don't have to shut down.  Registry changes can be and routinely are made while Windows is running.  If they weren't, then changes you make to most programs, which are stored in the registry, wouldn't take effect until you reboot.  This is not the case.
 
Changes are made to the registry but I don't think the changes are saved until you shut down, so if you do an improper shutdown, you will probably have to run the tool again.  But if you do a proper shutdown or a proper reboot, the changes will be saved.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.











--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


problem with NVDA and libre office

Ashley Wayne
 

Hi all,


I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre office writer, such as left or centered.  I will have alignment checked under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.  NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but still not alignment.  When I go to other applications with text, like websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information.  What am I missing here?  Thank you so much for any help.

Ashley



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Re: vlc app

Sile
 

Hi


I just upgraded my NVDA vlc add-on and it seems to have fixed the issue.  Thanks to the add-on developers, this is an app I use a lot for teaching.


--Sile

On 11/19/2018 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Yes, I have this installed.  What is happening is that when I press alt-s to stop playing, say, it also pulls up the settings menu for effects etc.


--Sile


On 11/19/2018 1:08 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
There is also a NVDA  add on app for VLC.

On 11/19/2018 9:46 AM, JM Casey wrote:
The pause button? Space bar will do it.

As for tagging songs/albums, I've not tried this and so am not sure. I will look into it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

Yes, though I am still having issues with the 'pause' button not having a shortcut,


--Sile


On 11/19/2018 12:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Most of the standard features are easy to use.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.

On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.

Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make
reference to it later.

I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing
things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though
and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.

Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app

Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:
*https://wiki.videolan.org/*
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/

             ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/











Re: vlc app

Sile
 

Hello


Yes, I have this installed.  What is happening is that when I press alt-s to stop playing, say, it also pulls up the settings menu for effects etc.


--Sile

On 11/19/2018 1:08 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
There is also a NVDA  add on app for VLC.

On 11/19/2018 9:46 AM, JM Casey wrote:
The pause button? Space bar will do it.

As for tagging songs/albums, I've not tried this and so am not sure. I will look into it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

Yes, though I am still having issues with the 'pause' button not having a shortcut,


--Sile


On 11/19/2018 12:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Most of the standard features are easy to use.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc app

I can see it's not going to be easy to learn, but I'll give it one hell of a try. thanks for yhe info.

On 11/19/2018 8:02 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.

Yes, you will want to use the wiki to get started, and possibly make
reference to it later.

I still have trouble with some of the advanced preferences, doing
things like applying filters. There’s a lot under VLC’s hood though
and if you want to play videos, especially, it’s invaluable.

Re the forum, I think there might be a captsha unfortunately.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* November 19, 2018 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] vlc app

Forgot to mention that their wiki is very comprehensive as well:
*https://wiki.videolan.org/*
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/

             ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/










Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Annette Moore
 

Hi, Gene NZ,


yes, it's just from time to time, and context menu items read just fine. I usually hear "Unknown" when I close a Firefox or thunderbird window and there's no other windows open at that time. I think it just doesn't really know what to do with the breif limbo. LOL!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 3:02 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Shutting down wouldive done it then starting the computer back up.


In the previous email there were some sections which said if you hear unknown or pane in  all browsers. Basically what would happen there if nvda would not read any thing in any of the browsers either by single letter navigation keys or even tabbing in other words the browser was unuseable. You would also down in the running applications  area hear unknown even though there were icons there. You would also notice it would not speak out the context menu etc.


I know before the tool I typed in the section  to register the files under the command prompt rea and it fixed the problem.


the tool came out later.


If you are hearing unknow now and again it could be it just does not know what it is or just slow page loading?


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 9:52 AM, Annette Moore wrote:

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.











--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Chris
 

Depends if you have fast startup enabled or not,

But to be sure I advise to restart rather than shut down if you have fast startup enabled

If you are not sure then restart is recommended

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: 19 November 2018 20:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

 

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?

 

Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

 

It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.

 

Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.

 

Gene nz

 

On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.
 
 
On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi
 
 
could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?
 
 
By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?
 
 
I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?
 
 
Gene nz
 
 
On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
 
I try this.
but not get sukcess.
 
On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi
 
 
have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.
 
 
If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.
 
 
Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.
 
 
There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.
 
 
Gene nz
 
 
On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
 
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.
 
Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.
 
 
 
 
 
--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.
 
 
 
 
 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Shutting down wouldive done it then starting the computer back up.


In the previous email there were some sections which said if you hear unknown or pane in  all browsers. Basically what would happen there if nvda would not read any thing in any of the browsers either by single letter navigation keys or even tabbing in other words the browser was unuseable. You would also down in the running applications  area hear unknown even though there were icons there. You would also notice it would not speak out the context menu etc.


I know before the tool I typed in the section  to register the files under the command prompt rea and it fixed the problem.


the tool came out later.


If you are hearing unknow now and again it could be it just does not know what it is or just slow page loading?


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 9:52 AM, Annette Moore wrote:

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





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NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
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People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
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exam.











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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
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Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Annette,


I used to be a medical transcriber years ago and at that time we didn't have the technology we have now. You had to be both a top-notch typist and speller. Spelling medical words can be tricky at times. I'm glad I had a medical dictionary which helped a lot.


Rosemarie



On 11/19/2018 12:47 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the Grade two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that was a huge no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm sure that's probably changed. that said, though, I'm very critical of myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise. when it comes to others, though, I don't expect perfection because not everyone learns the same way and as others have pointed out, with English possibly being a second language for a lot of people on this list, you're going to have speling errors. I don't use spellcheck. Like Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts, etc., to make certain they're clear,and if I don't hear any errors, then they're sent.

Annette

On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years later. Story of my younger life eh?

Take care

On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:

Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on how to spell something correctly. 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.  Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.

 

While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.  For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.  I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.  Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.  a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.  No one was flamed.  No one was disparaged.  These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.






Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.


Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Annette Moore
 

When you run that tool, are you supposed to shut down or restart? I ran it the other day and for the most part it's working better, but I'm still hearing "Unknown" from time to time. I shut down completely and then rebooted. Should I have restarted instead? Thanks!

Annette

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64 bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do. it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key + letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the Enter key.  It should register the files needed by NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
 and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.











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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.





      
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Annette Moore
 

One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the Grade two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that was a huge no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm sure that's probably changed. that said, though, I'm very critical of myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise. when it comes to others, though, I don't expect perfection because not everyone learns the same way and as others have pointed out, with English possibly being a second language for a lot of people on this list, you're going to have speling errors. I don't use spellcheck. Like Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts, etc., to make certain they're clear,and if I don't hear any errors, then they're sent.

Annette

On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years later. Story of my younger life eh?

Take care

On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:

Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on how to spell something correctly. 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message.  Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.

 

While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting.  For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.  I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers.  Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass.  a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness.  No one was flamed.  No one was disparaged.  These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.  I don't see anything offensive in the message.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

Hello Travis:

I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.






Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.


Re: wonder vs. wander

Kwork
 

I was also proud of the fact that my spellchecker didn't alert me to any spelling mistakes. LOL!

On 11/19/2018 12:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 01:21 PM, Kwork wrote:
NVDA is saying awl words correctly, if exaggeratedly at times.
Any time you hear a speech synthesizer saying something "exaggeratedly" that should be a big, honkin' warning that something's off.

Kudos, though, on this post.  It was extremely clever.  I do, however, believe that one should be able to hear the difference, even in synthesized speech in the middle of a sentence, between pro deuce and produce (as but one example).  There's also the question of whether we're talking produce as a verb or noun, as the stress is on the second syllable in the first instance and the first syllable in the second.  That being said, the speed at which many blind individuals can understand voice output from screen readers just astounds me.  I could no sooner wrap my head around speech that fast than fly to the moon using my own arms as propulsion.  If you have speech produced at ear blistering (for me) speeds then the elisions between two short words and a single word with the same phonemes becomes much harder to suss out.
 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

 

I would also note that because someone is using an email classifier that changes the subject line that there are now two parallel topics.  If muting you'll have to do so from each.
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