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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

John J. Boyer
 

Bookshare has Python books. I've downloaded them. If you are an authorized subscriber to www.bookshare.org you can just
search for Python.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 07:35:02AM -0500, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

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Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


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Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Gene
 

I saw this discussed once years ago.  Wherever it was, and it was a reliable source, it was said that some of these links do what they are supposed to and some don't.  So, if this is still the case, that means that other ways, move by heading, skip blocks of links, are more reliable. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on
the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no
discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around
for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links
seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have
waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Yes, if you stay on that page linked to the email, there is a comprehensive table of contents. From there, you can get to any section of the book.

Best,

Erik

On November 21, 2018 7:36:05 AM "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca> wrote:

Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

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Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
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Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

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From: Jo Fullerton
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: thunderbird speeding up

Robert Kingett
 

I will need to try this! Thanks! I use the portable version so will do some poking about.
Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Be interesting to know if those systems also cannot read the dialogues of Dropbox though.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809


Hi,
Based on the log I got, it appears UIA events are not seen by NVDA on some systems. I can't reproduce this problem on any of my machines running Version 1809 and Insider Preview builds.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

Yes, it is only occurring in Windows 10 ver 1809.
Narrator does not read this information...

Rui Fontes


Às 23:50 de 20/11/2018, Don H escreveu:
Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it
first came out and before it was pulled back. It seems that the
strange verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to
version 1809 and does not happen with version 1803.
Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

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No not those, it says skip to main content or whatever. Some work fine others just do nothing at all. I will not use Chrome but I do have firefox, IE Waterfox, which is actually Firefox in disguise with a better more forgiving nature and the ability to use older add ons.
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From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Generally, the links that say click here for ore information that do't
seem to do anything are the javascript links that simply pop up a window
over top of the existing page with the information in question. Often
times, these windows have timers, so they go away after a certain amount
of time. I've not found a reliable way for NVDA to find these windows.
Sometimes, if it's a permanent window, it's opened at the bottom of the
page (as NVDA sees it), so scrolling to the bottom of the page, you will
see the extra content that link added to the page. Otherwise, I've
found no way at all to see the window content.
On 11/20/2018 3:34 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

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It won't work with any of them.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cohn, Jonathan" <jcohn@air.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Travis is probably correct, but in all cases this is a matter of the developer not verifying focus control is working in your browser. Of course since you are using not one of the big four browsers, you will probably find that the developers of the site will not have tested with water fox. In cases where additional data is added to the HTML code the web developer needs to either focus on the new data or use a live region both of which NVDA will support.

One final note, I know your browser is essentially an older version of Firefox, but as likely as not, web developers will not have heard of this browser.
Re: Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

ProWritingAid is a general grammar checker.  It doesn't have an add-in for the browser like Grammarly does, although it does have one for Word.  That online editor I linked to is accessible.  Their "main" editor looks like it has changed since I last tried it so I'm not sure what it's like these days.

There are lots of different grammar checkers around, and actually a google for "Best grammar checker for facebook" reveals a couple of comparison reviews (which I haven't read yet).

One of Grammarly's claimed benefits is that it highlights issues in text in basically any edit field, so facebook messages, Gmail, twitter, your blog, etc, without needing to copy the text into an external program or website.  Which is great, except it isn't accessible.  ProWritingAid mostly relies on dropping your text in that editor and checking it there.  And some of the other tools likely work differently again.  ProWritingAid was designed (as far as I know) as a mainstream program, but they did build an accessible interface for it - I don't know whether they had users request it, or whether they did it off their own bat, but either way, good on them, even though they made it a separate editor, rather than making the main one accessible (at least initially, like I said, I haven't tried the main one lately).


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brian K. Lingard <bkl@...> wrote:

Dear Quentin & List:

 

Is Pro Writing Aid just for Facebook or NVDA?

Brian IK. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Quentin Christensen
Sent: November 21, 2018 5:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

 

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

 

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

 

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black Friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

 

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

 

A

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.

Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have a hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

 

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me an error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

 

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

 

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

 

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio

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Re: continues in beta

Kevin Cussick
 

I get this garbage on one lenovo machine when going into the settings app on the other machine the same make and OS I don't.

On 21/11/2018 03:22, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To me, based on available evidence 9log file), it appears it is an odd live region that’s speaking when it is supposed to be silent. The log I got also points to UIA not working in that instance.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] continues in beta
That's interesting. It sounds as though it thinks it is reading some sort of credit or copyright information as a menu. I don't know if that makes any sense technically.
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] continues in beta
With the last release of NVDA when you open up the settings menu NVDA
reads what I call trash. This issue still remains with the 2018-4 beta 1.
It is saying something like
C equals microsoft windows
O equals Microsoft corporation
L equals readman
F equals Washington
c equals us windows
Re: Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Quentin & List:

 

Is Pro Writing Aid just for Facebook or NVDA?

Brian IK. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Quentin Christensen
Sent: November 21, 2018 5:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

 

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

 

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

 

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black Friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

 

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

 

A

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.

Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have a hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

 

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me an error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

 

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

 

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

 

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I upgraded when it first came out and I have had no problems.My only difference is that I never use the upgrade assistant. I believe those using the upgrade assistant were the ones who had the problem. I know my wife went that route and it took her over four hours to install. Just recently she had to roll back to an earlier version, 1803. I always use the media creator to upgrade.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

None I guess, otherwise we would have heard

 

Maybe try a portable copy of nvda

With default settings and see what that gives you

 

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 20 November 2018 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

 

Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first

came out and before it was pulled back.  It seems that the strange

verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809

and does not happen with version 1803.

 

 

 

 
Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

That is odd.  Hard to say where the issue lies and no doubt in the time it takes to investigate, Facebook will probably change it anyway.

Do let me know how you find ProWritingAid - or indeed any other grammar checkers.  I haven't gone looking in awhile, but a search for "best grammar checker" or "grammar checker comparison" usually yeilds plenty of options to try.

I recall trying Hemingway Editor (I really like the idea, but it's just not accessible at all), Ginger, and I'm sure Whitesmoke, but just looking at this first result on Google: https://financesonline.com/top-20-grammar-checker-software-solutions/ I don't actually recognise most of the others, so their might be some new players to try.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:54 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Yes, if I disable it, the field gets back to normality.
Indeed, Facebook is kinda weird. They there seems to be changing everything each minute, I don't like it at all.
I'll look through this alternative you said, it seems too more interesting.
Thanks.

Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 08:48, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

A

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.
Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have an hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Marcio
 

Yes, if I disable it, the field gets back to normality.
Indeed, Facebook is kinda weird. They there seems to be changing everything each minute, I don't like it at all.
I'll look through this alternative you said, it seems too more interesting.
Thanks.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 08:48, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

A

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.
Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have an hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

A

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.
Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have an hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Marcio
 

I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.
Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have an hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have an hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: problem with NVDA and libre office

Quentin Christensen
 

All I can really say to that, is to reiterate what I said earlier - keep reporting bugs!  To us, so we are aware of them (and if we can fix them independently, great!) and particularly to Libre Office, because the more people who report accessibility issues, the more likely they will prioritise working on it (and even hopefully work with us).

Libre Office use a web-based issue tracker, like we do, however they use Bugzilla rather than GitHub, so you'll need to create a free account with them to report issues.  Here is the link: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 8:51 PM Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

I used LibreOffice for years, but when I started to use it with NVDA, a series of incompatibilities and problems (including ugly crashes) annoyed me in such a way that I abandoned it in favor of Microsoft Office.

It's obvious now that the developers of LibreOffice are not interested or prepared to deal with screen reader incompatibilities.

It's a shame because the usability of LibreOffice is much better than MS Office, at least for me. All was done faster in LibreOffice.


Em 21/11/2018 01:10, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
While I don't have any better advice than everyone else for the specific issue, I would encourage those using LibreOffice to also report issues against that project as well.  A lot of things like this, where the information isn't being exposed to us, we can't do anything about - it needs to be a change to LibreOffice to expose that, before we can look for it.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:16 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Bit clunky though. I imagine thatches program is not exposing the correct
data for nvda to read.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages via Groups.Io" <james.gamage=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office


Hello,

To read the alignment in Libre office Writer,
Press alt then right arrow to the format menu,
Arrow down to “ alignment” and right arrow to the sub menu.
       Now up and down arrow, some will say “selected” but the one that says
“checked” will be the current alignment.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: 20 November 2018 03:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office

Hi thank you, I did not realize that. Well, at least I wasn't missing
something obvious.


On 11/19/2018 7:16 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi.
> both openoffice and libreoffice dont support reporting alignment for
> nvda screen reader.
> i am not sure about jaws and libreoffice compatibility with jaws, but
> i am sure that you cant read alignment information when using
> libreoffice or openoffice.
>
> On 11/20/18, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre
>> office writer, such as left or centered. I will have alignment checked
>> under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.
>> NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but
>> still not alignment. When I go to other applications with text, like
>> websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information. What
>> am I missing here? Thank you so much for any help.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://www.avg.com
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>>
>>
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Marcio
 

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Jacob Kruger
 

I had it both back then, as well as having installed latest update, etc.,
in last week, on two separate machines, and, while it does seem to
interact slightly better with NVDA 2018.4 beta 1, haven't had any real
isssues that took note of, or noticed.

Jacob Kruger
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"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018-11-21 11:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

None I guess, otherwise we would have heard



Maybe try a portable copy of nvda

With default settings and see what that gives you









From: Don H
Sent: 20 November 2018 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809



Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first

came out and before it was pulled back. It seems that the strange

verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809

and does not happen with version 1803.
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