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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

NVDA enter is not the documented command to turn browse mode on and off.  I gave it in an earlier message and the message quoted below mine explains the way people do this most of the time.  Use either one you wish, but this thread illustrates the importance of using correct commands in general, not commands that work but aren't correct.  You never know when you will have situations that cause problems with commands that "get by."
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

Use the command NVDA space to turn browse mode on when you want it on and off when you want it off.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


If this Grammarly add on is specific for Firefox and NVDA, is it really necessary?  Firefox has a spell as you go feature that flags misspellings in edit fields. 


On 11/21/2018 4:11 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Sile
 

Hi


I found skyptalking via a google search - the new link is:


http://www.download82.com/download/windows/skype-talking/


It has recently been updated, but doesn't appear to support video calling ...


--Sile



Hello all



Talking of links not doing what they should, this one in the footer of the NVDA list template seems to be broken:

http://skypetalking.googlecode.com


Does anyone know if skypetalking is still available and working?


--Sile

On 11/21/2018 8:13 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw this discussed once years ago. Wherever it was, and it was a reliable source, it was said that some of these links do what they are supposed to and some don't. So, if this is still the case, that means that other ways, move by heading, skip blocks of links, are more reliable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:34 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on
the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no
discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around
for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links
seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have
waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
Brian

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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

Sile
 

Hi


I found skyptalking via a google search - the new link is:


http://www.download82.com/download/windows/skype-talking/


It has recently been updated, but doesn't appear to support video calling ...


--Sile

On 11/21/2018 8:29 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:

If you are looking for a development environment, I have also had success with notepad++ and their add-on for python, which you can access through the 'language' menu.  There are some workarounds for reading the output window which I can share off list if anyone is interested.


--Sile

On 11/21/2018 8:14 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Bookshare has Python books. I've downloaded them. If you are an authorized subscriber to www.bookshare.org you can just
search for Python.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 07:35:02AM -0500, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

On 11/9/18, 07:49, "Jo Fullerton" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk> wrote:

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     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
     Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

     Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA?  Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

     You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

     Thanks

     Jo Fullerton


     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
     Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

     Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

     As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry



     From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
     Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome


     Hello everyone,

     when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

     itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

     how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

     non-speculative explanation?

     Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

     Felix







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Re: NVDA 2018.4 beta 1

Josh Kennedy
 

so what is new in the beta? 


Re: Learning coding with NVDA

Sile
 

If you are looking for a development environment, I have also had success with notepad++ and their add-on for python, which you can access through the 'language' menu.  There are some workarounds for reading the output window which I can share off list if anyone is interested.


--Sile

On 11/21/2018 8:14 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Bookshare has Python books. I've downloaded them. If you are an authorized subscriber to www.bookshare.org you can just
search for Python.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 07:35:02AM -0500, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

On 11/9/18, 07:49, "Jo Fullerton" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk> wrote:

Sending again with relevant subject line.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jo Fullerton
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry



From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome


Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix







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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Sile
 

Hello all


Talking of links not doing what they should, this one in the footer of the NVDA list template seems to be broken:

http://skypetalking.googlecode.com


Does anyone know if skypetalking is still available and working?


--Sile

On 11/21/2018 8:13 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw this discussed once years ago. Wherever it was, and it was a reliable source, it was said that some of these links do what they are supposed to and some don't. So, if this is still the case, that means that other ways, move by heading, skip blocks of links, are more reliable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:34 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on
the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no
discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around
for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links
seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have
waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
Brian

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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

John J. Boyer
 

Bookshare has Python books. I've downloaded them. If you are an authorized subscriber to www.bookshare.org you can just
search for Python.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 07:35:02AM -0500, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

On 11/9/18, 07:49, "Jo Fullerton" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk> wrote:

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From: Jo Fullerton
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Gene
 

I saw this discussed once years ago.  Wherever it was, and it was a reliable source, it was said that some of these links do what they are supposed to and some don't.  So, if this is still the case, that means that other ways, move by heading, skip blocks of links, are more reliable. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on
the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no
discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around
for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links
seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have
waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
 Brian

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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Yes, if you stay on that page linked to the email, there is a comprehensive table of contents. From there, you can get to any section of the book.

Best,

Erik

On November 21, 2018 7:36:05 AM "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca> wrote:

Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

?On 11/9/18, 07:49, "Jo Fullerton" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk> wrote:

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From: Jo Fullerton
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: Learning coding with NVDA

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Jason & List"

You said the Python book is online, however when I followed the link to Amazon, they seemed to be selling it as a paperback.
Is it shown as an online book farther down the listing?
Brian K. Lingard
bkl@ncf.ca


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: November 10, 2018 13:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning coding with NVDA

If the ultimate intention is to participate in NVDA development, I would recommend learning Python. The following online book appears to be a good starting point for someone who is new to programming.
http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

On 11/9/18, 07:49, "Jo Fullerton" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk> wrote:

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Sent: 09 November 2018 12:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Jo Fullerton <Jo.Fullerton@rnib.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Does anyone have any advice for a teenager in Scotland who wants to learn coding using NVDA? Is there a list of programming languages that work well with NVDA?

You could reply to me directly - jo.fullerton@rnib.org.uk

Thanks

Jo Fullerton


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome

Its probably a in browser notification of some sort

As to what it relates to, I can't possibly speculate on that sorry





From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2018 12:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] The word "alert" in Google Chrome



Hello everyone,

when working with Chrome and NVDA I often hear the word "alert" by

itself, that is, without any hint as to what the alert is about and

how to react to it. Can anyone relate to this and offer a

non-speculative explanation?

Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend,

Felix










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Re: thunderbird speeding up

 

I will need to try this! Thanks! I use the portable version so will do some poking about.


Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Be interesting to know if those systems also cannot read the dialogues of Dropbox though.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809


Hi,
Based on the log I got, it appears UIA events are not seen by NVDA on some systems. I can't reproduce this problem on any of my machines running Version 1809 and Insider Preview builds.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

Yes, it is only occurring in Windows 10 ver 1809.
Narrator does not read this information...

Rui Fontes


Às 23:50 de 20/11/2018, Don H escreveu:
Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it
first came out and before it was pulled back. It seems that the
strange verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to
version 1809 and does not happen with version 1803.





Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

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No not those, it says skip to main content or whatever. Some work fine others just do nothing at all. I will not use Chrome but I do have firefox, IE Waterfox, which is actually Firefox in disguise with a better more forgiving nature and the ability to use older add ons.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Generally, the links that say click here for ore information that do't
seem to do anything are the javascript links that simply pop up a window
over top of the existing page with the information in question. Often
times, these windows have timers, so they go away after a certain amount
of time. I've not found a reliable way for NVDA to find these windows.
Sometimes, if it's a permanent window, it's opened at the bottom of the
page (as NVDA sees it), so scrolling to the bottom of the page, you will
see the extra content that link added to the page. Otherwise, I've
found no way at all to see the window content.
On 11/20/2018 3:34 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Many sites now helpfully say, click here for main content, or a variation on the theme. But some do as they say, while others seem to cause no discernable change. I have always wondered about this, and its been around for many years. Is there a page authoring or other reason why these links seem not to work?

I'm talking about all browsers really though at the moment I only have waterfox firefox and IE on windows 7.
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Re: Why do some links not do what they say while others do?

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It won't work with any of them.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why do some links not do what they say while others do?


Travis is probably correct, but in all cases this is a matter of the developer not verifying focus control is working in your browser. Of course since you are using not one of the big four browsers, you will probably find that the developers of the site will not have tested with water fox. In cases where additional data is added to the HTML code the web developer needs to either focus on the new data or use a live region both of which NVDA will support.

One final note, I know your browser is essentially an older version of Firefox, but as likely as not, web developers will not have heard of this browser.


Re: Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

ProWritingAid is a general grammar checker.  It doesn't have an add-in for the browser like Grammarly does, although it does have one for Word.  That online editor I linked to is accessible.  Their "main" editor looks like it has changed since I last tried it so I'm not sure what it's like these days.

There are lots of different grammar checkers around, and actually a google for "Best grammar checker for facebook" reveals a couple of comparison reviews (which I haven't read yet).

One of Grammarly's claimed benefits is that it highlights issues in text in basically any edit field, so facebook messages, Gmail, twitter, your blog, etc, without needing to copy the text into an external program or website.  Which is great, except it isn't accessible.  ProWritingAid mostly relies on dropping your text in that editor and checking it there.  And some of the other tools likely work differently again.  ProWritingAid was designed (as far as I know) as a mainstream program, but they did build an accessible interface for it - I don't know whether they had users request it, or whether they did it off their own bat, but either way, good on them, even though they made it a separate editor, rather than making the main one accessible (at least initially, like I said, I haven't tried the main one lately).


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Dear Quentin & List:

 

Is Pro Writing Aid just for Facebook or NVDA?

Brian IK. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Quentin Christensen
Sent: November 21, 2018 5:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

 

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

 

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

 

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black Friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

 

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

 

A

 

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I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.

Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)


Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have a hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

 

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me an error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.


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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

 

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

 

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

 

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: continues in beta

Kevin Cussick
 

I get this garbage on one lenovo machine when going into the settings app on the other machine the same make and OS I don't.

On 21/11/2018 03:22, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To me, based on available evidence 9log file), it appears it is an odd live region that’s speaking when it is supposed to be silent. The log I got also points to UIA not working in that instance.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] continues in beta
That's interesting. It sounds as though it thinks it is reading some sort of credit or copyright information as a menu. I don't know if that makes any sense technically.
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] continues in beta
With the last release of NVDA when you open up the settings menu NVDA
reads what I call trash. This issue still remains with the 2018-4 beta 1.
It is saying something like
C equals microsoft windows
O equals Microsoft corporation
L equals readman
F equals Washington
c equals us windows


Re: Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Quentin & List:

 

Is Pro Writing Aid just for Facebook or NVDA?

Brian IK. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Quentin Christensen
Sent: November 21, 2018 5:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But if you disable Grammarly, the messages field works normally?

 

Facebook is a weird beast, and they're constantly changing it.

 

Also, on grammar checkers, another one you might investigate is ProWritingAid, from memory you need to pay for it, but it does some interesting analysis, and it has an accessible web-based editor: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

 

Actually I just had another look, you can use it free with some limitations, or you can buy a license either for one, two or three years, or lifetime - they're on sale for black Friday so one year is $40 up to lifetime is $87.  Try it out obviously before you buy it but if you would find it useful, that lifetime license cost is 50% off.

 

(I should be clear, I don't have any affiliation, I do have a license myself which I purchased, partly because I was happy to support the only grammar checker with any accessibility at all (at the time I checked), though actually, I haven't used it in a little while myself).

 

A

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

I'm relatively new to Grammarly, but I really like the add-on.
I'll explore here, too, and see if I can find a solution to this.

Testing with the update status field I had the same result you wrote, it seems the error only occur in the messages' section.
Anyway, thanks for your help! :)


Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 08:18, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting.  If I am writing in say the update status field on m.facebook.com, if I type "I have a hat." (and then try not to press enter so my friend's don't think I'm weird), I don't get any indication moving through the text, but if I go to next object, I get "1", which is grammarly's button indicating there is one err or (an hat instead of a hat), If I go to the previous object, I get  "an hat" and then "I have", as if it's separated the error text from the first part of the sentence.  I'll have to explore further.

 

Either way, I can use NVDA+spacebar to jump between browse and focus mode without issue.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me an error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.


Cheers,
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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

 

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

 

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

 

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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I upgraded when it first came out and I have had no problems.My only difference is that I never use the upgrade assistant. I believe those using the upgrade assistant were the ones who had the problem. I know my wife went that route and it took her over four hours to install. Just recently she had to roll back to an earlier version, 1803. I always use the media creator to upgrade.

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None I guess, otherwise we would have heard

 

Maybe try a portable copy of nvda

With default settings and see what that gives you

 

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 20 November 2018 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

 

Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first

came out and before it was pulled back.  It seems that the strange

verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809

and does not happen with version 1803.