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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't have any opinion.  I'm asking so others may discuss your answer if they know or have any opinion. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

I'm using Firefox 63.0.3 (64-bit).
When I try to enter the field NVDA just doesn't perform the action. Do you know that sound error.wav ? That's what I get.
You think it may be due the Firefox version?
Em 22/11/2018 00:28, Gene escreveu:
This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

I'm using Firefox 63.0.3 (64-bit).
When I try to enter the field NVDA just doesn't perform the action. Do you know that sound error.wav ? That's what I get.
You think it may be due the Firefox version?
Em 22/11/2018 00:28, Gene escreveu:

This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

Actually, this is not specific for Firefox and NVDA, I guess. It might have for Google Chrome etc.
Well, nice point, I always can use just the Firefox native function. I was just wanting to experiment something new, do you know?
Em 21/11/2018 12:51, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

Hi Group,


If this Grammarly add on is specific for Firefox and NVDA, is it really necessary?  Firefox has a spell as you go feature that flags misspellings in edit fields. 


On 11/21/2018 4:11 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:

You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
Marcio
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different headers in Word

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I have the Microsoft Word with NVDA document and have read the section on headers. I have followed the keystrokes and added a page break and section break and a blank header ...

What I could not find any info on was how to unlink a header in one section from the header in the previous section so it can be different.

I'm trying to submit a piece of coursework for my screenwriting module that has a cover sheet, a section of character profiles and a section with the plot treatment.

Does anybody know how I can put a heading in section 2 that is for Character Profiles, and one in section 3 that says Treatment?

I have a workaround - a single header that says Character Profiles and Treatment, with a level 1 heading for Character Profiles and another level 1 heading for Treatment so it's not an urgent request but I'd like to know for future use :)

Giles


Re: Outlook Message List Freezing

Tony Malykh
 

I had exactly the same problem. Try the latest beta - 2018.4beta1 - it
solved it for me.

Tony

On 11/21/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to use Outlook 2016 for work. Unfortunately when I up and down
arrow through the message list the majority of the time NVDA seems to
freeze up and not read me the subject lines of the messages. Does
anyone have solutions to this?



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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I did and yes the machine that reads all the garbage in settings is the one affected.

On 20/11/2018 23:50, Don H wrote:
Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first came out and before it was pulled back.  It seems that the strange verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809 and does not happen with version 1803.


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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

Eleni Vamvakari
 

This is from the 2018.3.2 user guide.

"NVDA supports most displays from Handy Tech when connected via USB,
serial port or bluetooth. For older USB displays, you will need to
install the USB drivers from Handy Tech on your system.
The following displays are not supported out of the box, but can be
used via Handy Tech's universal driver and NVDA add-on:
• Braillino
• Bookworm
• Modular displays with firmware version 1.13 or lower. Please note
that the firmware of this displays can be updated."

I installed the Handy Tech Universal driver, but neither Braillino nor
Handy Tech show under displays. I would think that this is because
it's not connected, but none of the others are and they still show.
In 2017.3, it shows Handy Tech, but the User Guide still says that,
for older models, the driver is required. I need to be 100% sure that
the Braillino will work with NVDA or there is no reason for me to buy
it.

On 21/11/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on
Ebay.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't
satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis
3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a
table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest
version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with
speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
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Outlook Message List Freezing

kelby carlson
 

I have to use Outlook 2016 for work. Unfortunately when I up and down
arrow through the message list the majority of the time NVDA seems to
freeze up and not read me the subject lines of the messages. Does
anyone have solutions to this?



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Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Tony Malykh
 

Good catch, I was running it directly from the installer. I'll try to
properly install it tonight and see if I can still reproduce this. It
would be great to have some kind of meaningful error message if this
is expected behavior.

On 11/21/18, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
Are you running an installed copy? If not, then it won't work.
On 11/21/2018 10:30 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
All add-ons disabled, the bug is still there.
I couldn't find that bug in recently filed issues on github.

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to
search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator
mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of
command
line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send
an
email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony











Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Tyler Spivey
 

Are you running an installed copy? If not, then it won't work.

On 11/21/2018 10:30 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
All add-ons disabled, the bug is still there.
I couldn't find that bug in recently filed issues on github.

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to
search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of command
line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send an
email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony








Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Tony Malykh
 

All add-ons disabled, the bug is still there.
I couldn't find that bug in recently filed issues on github.

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to
search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of command
line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send an
email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony







Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

 

Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of command line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send an email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony


Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Tony Malykh
 

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of
command line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send
an email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

Eleni Vamvakari
 

No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't
satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis
3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a
table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know if there is a specific Firefox add-on, but it is not limited to any one browser.  Evidently, it checks spelllings but it advertises itself as a grammar checker, which is its main purpose.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Group,


If this Grammarly add on is specific for Firefox and NVDA, is it really necessary?  Firefox has a spell as you go feature that flags misspellings in edit fields. 


On 11/21/2018 4:11 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Tejas Bendre
 

I try this but not help.

On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


The tool should of fixed the problem. After you used it did you shut down
the computer properly or just restart?


Before the tool was made I used the following to fix it on my windows 10 64
bit machine.


It basically said if you are having these problems and tells you what to do.
it must be done to the letter.


Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane”
check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter
what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into
your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other
strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above)
NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be
completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register
your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in
“command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search
results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down
to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you
to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need
sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt +
F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some
examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications
area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in
Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows
applications context menu.
Run COM Registration Fixing tool
If you are getting any of the following problems below - with Windows
unregistering some of the files needed by NVDA - the following tool section
in NVDA will get you out of trouble. To access this tool press the NVDA key
+ letter N while NVDA is running. Arrow down to the tools menu. A submenu
will come up. Arrow down to the menu called Run COM Registration Fixing
tool... then press the Enter key. It should register the files needed by
NVDA.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 6:42 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I am useing windows 10 64 bit home single language.
and i not uninstoal any softwear.
I also try nvda_snapshot_alpha-16247,fbae6b0b portebel verjun.
one more thing nvda also not reding contest menu.
and this is happen only with NVDA.


On 11/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hi


could i ask what the last bit of software was that was uninstalled and then
you noticed it happening?


By the way are you running a 32 or 64 bit operating system and which
version?


I was wondering if maybe it might of been the mathshtml add on that might
of
caused it or when you uninstalled say office?


Gene nz


On 16/11/2018 2:06 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

I try this.
but not get sukcess.

On 11/15/18, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run
COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not
remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i
think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were
before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and
say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there
should
be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.





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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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