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Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

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In windows 10, there are an increasing number of things portable screenreaders cannot do. Not sure that this is progress!
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From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode


Good catch, I was running it directly from the installer. I'll try to
properly install it tonight and see if I can still reproduce this. It
would be great to have some kind of meaningful error message if this
is expected behavior.

On 11/21/18, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
Are you running an installed copy? If not, then it won't work.
On 11/21/2018 10:30 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
All add-ons disabled, the bug is still there.
I couldn't find that bug in recently filed issues on github.

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to
search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator
mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of
command
line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send
an
email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony











Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

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My main issue is that I tend to not hit the space bar quite hard enough and you get concatenated words!
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA


You said NVDA enter in your message. If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea. You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending. I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..

Gene


From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA


Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.



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Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,


I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes. I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?


If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like. Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.


My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA? Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA. It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.


Regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.



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Slightly Sluggish Response in Thunderbird Using 2018.4 Beta 1

David Goldfield
 

Hi.

I installed 2018.4 beta 1 today using Espeak on Windows 10 Pro, build 1809, 64 bit.

I'm noticing a slightly more sluggish or delayed response when navigating within email messages using Mozilla Thunderbird. Specifically, when I press the letter K to move by links the response time is a bit slower. Pressing left/right arrow keys also is slightly slower. When I uninstalled the beta and reinstalled 2018.3.2 response time was back to normal. Occasionally, I've noticed similar behavior using Google Chrome. Have others seen this behavior as well?


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Re: different headers in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Giles,

In the header and footer design toolbar is an option to "Link to previous" which you can uncheck if you want different headers and footers in each section:

1.  Press ALT+J, then H to open the design ribbon
2.  Press K to unlink this header or footer from the previous section's.

I'll double check whether that is mentioned in the material, and if not, I'll add it in!

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:12 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I have the Microsoft Word with NVDA document and have read the section on headers. I have followed the keystrokes and added a page break and section break and a blank header ...

What I could not find any info on was how to unlink a header in one section from the header in the previous section so it can be different.

I'm trying to submit a piece of coursework for my screenwriting module that has a cover sheet, a section of character profiles and a section with the plot treatment.

Does anybody know how I can put a heading in section 2 that is for Character Profiles, and one in section 3 that says Treatment?

I have a workaround - a single header that says Character Profiles and Treatment, with a level 1 heading for Character Profiles and another level 1 heading for Treatment so it's not an urgent request but I'd like to know for future use :)

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Re: Need help with help.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Max,

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

Regards

Quentin.

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I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


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Re: NVDA 2018.4 beta 1

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Josh,



Which you can also find from the help menu inside the program itself.  But to specifically answer your question:

2018.4

Highlights of this release include performance improvements in recent Mozilla Firefox versions, announcement of emojis with all synthesizers, reporting of replied/forwarded status in Outlook, reporting the distance of the cursor to the edge of a Microsoft Word page, and many bug fixes.

New Features

  • New braille tables: Chinese (China, Mandarin) grade 1 and grade 2. (#5553)
  • Replied / Forwarded status is now reported on mail items in the Microsoft Outlook message list. (#6911)
  • NVDA is now able to read descriptions for emoji as well as other characters that are part of the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository. (#6523)
  • In Microsoft Word, the cursor's distance from the top and left edges of the page can be reported by pressing NVDA+numpadDelete. (#1939)
  • In Google Sheets with braille mode enabled, NVDA no longer announces 'selected' on every cell when moving focus between cells. (#8879)
  • Added support for Foxit Reader and Foxit Phantom PDF. (#8944)
  • Added support for the DBeaver database tool. (#8905)

Changes

  • "Report help balloons" in the Object Presentations dialog has been renamed to "Report notifications" to include reporting of toast notifications in Windows 8 and later. (#5789)
  • IN NVDA's keyboard settings, the checkboxes to enable or disable NVDA modifier keys are now displayed in a list rather than as separate checkboxes.
  • NVDA will no longer present redundant information when reading clock system tray on some versions of Windows. (#4364)
  • Updated liblouis braille translator to version 3.7.0. (#8697)
  • Updated eSpeak-NG to commit 919f3240cbb.

Bug Fixes

  • In Outlook 2016/365, the category and flag status are reported for messages. (#8603)
  • When NVDA is set to languages such as Kirgyz, Mongolian or Macedonian, it no longer shows a dialog on start-up warning that the language is not supported by the Operating System. (#8064)
  • Moving the mouse to the navigator object will now much more accurately move the mouse to the browse mode position in Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome and Acrobat Reader DC. (#6460)
  • Interacting with combo boxes on the web in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer has been improved. (#8664)
  • If running on the Japanese version of Windows XP or Vista, NVDA now displays OS version requirements message as expected. (#8771)
  • Performance improvements when navigating large pages with lots of dynamic changes in Mozilla Firefox. (#8678)
  • Braille no longer shows font attributes if they have been disabled in Document Formatting settings. (#7615)
  • NVDA no longer fails to track focus in File Explorer and other applications using UI Automation when another app is busy (such as batch processing audio). (#7345)
  • In ARIA menus on the web, the Escape key will now be passed through to the menu and no longer turn off focus mode unconditionally. (#3215)
  • NVDA no longer refuses to report the focus on web pages where the new focus replaces a control that no longer exists. (#6606#8341)
  • In the new Gmail web interface, when using quick navigation inside messages while reading them, the entire body of the message is no longer reported after the element to which you just navigated. (#8887)
  • After updating NVDA, Browsers such as Firefox and google Chrome should no longer crash, and browse mode should continue to correctly reflect updates to any currently loaded documents. (#7641)
  • NVDA no longer reports clickable multiple times in a row when navigating clickable content in Browse Mode. (#7430)
  • Gestures performed on baum Vario 40 braille displays will no longer fail to execute. (#8894)

Changes for Developers

  • gui.nvdaControls now contains two classes to create accessible lists with check boxes. (#7325)
    • CustomCheckListBox is an accessible subclass of wx.CheckListBox.
    • AutoWidthColumnCheckListCtrl adds accessible check boxes to an AutoWidthColumnListCtrl, which itself is based on wx.ListCtrl.
  • If you need to make a wx widget accessible which isn't already, it is possible to do so by using an instance of gui.accPropServer.IAccPropServer_impl. (#7491)
    • See the implementation of gui.nvdaControls.ListCtrlAccPropServer for more info.
  • Updated configobj to 5.1.0dev commit 5b5de48a. (#4470)
  • The config.post_configProfileSwitch action now takes the optional prevConf keyword argument, allowing handlers to take action based on differences between configuration before and after the profile switch. (#8758)


On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:50 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
so what is new in the beta? 



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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

John J. Boyer
 

Do the displays show a power-on message when they are connected? You will also have to restart NVDA.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:20:23PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
This is from the 2018.3.2 user guide.

"NVDA supports most displays from Handy Tech when connected via USB,
serial port or bluetooth. For older USB displays, you will need to
install the USB drivers from Handy Tech on your system.
The following displays are not supported out of the box, but can be
used via Handy Tech's universal driver and NVDA add-on:
• Braillino
• Bookworm
• Modular displays with firmware version 1.13 or lower. Please note
that the firmware of this displays can be updated."

I installed the Handy Tech Universal driver, but neither Braillino nor
Handy Tech show under displays. I would think that this is because
it's not connected, but none of the others are and they still show.
In 2017.3, it shows Handy Tech, but the User Guide still says that,
for older models, the driver is required. I need to be 100% sure that
the Braillino will work with NVDA or there is no reason for me to buy
it.

On 21/11/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on
Ebay.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't
satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis
3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a
table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest
version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with
speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

John J. Boyer
 

Hi Eleni,

If you can send me a text file with polytonic Greek or give me a URL where I can find one I can experiment with it. I
think a table for polytonic Greek could
be created by simply adding symbols to the Koine table.

I'm the original developer of liblouis. Now I'm retired from programming, but I'm interested in Greek because of its use
in the Bible.

Let's take this correspondence private. You can send me the fille at john.boyer@abilitiessoft .

Thanks and happy thanksgiving,
John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:54:43PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't
satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis
3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a
table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't have any opinion.  I'm asking so others may discuss your answer if they know or have any opinion. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

I'm using Firefox 63.0.3 (64-bit).
When I try to enter the field NVDA just doesn't perform the action. Do you know that sound error.wav ? That's what I get.
You think it may be due the Firefox version?
Em 22/11/2018 00:28, Gene escreveu:
This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

I'm using Firefox 63.0.3 (64-bit).
When I try to enter the field NVDA just doesn't perform the action. Do you know that sound error.wav ? That's what I get.
You think it may be due the Firefox version?
Em 22/11/2018 00:28, Gene escreveu:

This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Gene
 

This may not matter, but are you using Quantum Firefox, that is, a version starting with 60X?  You may be saying that any way you try to turn on forms mode, it doesn't turn on.  But this needs to be clarified.  if you use the command NVDA key space, do you hear the tone that tells you that forms mode is on?  Can you then up and down arrow through the page?  I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.  Is it that text isn't entered into the field even though forms mode is on or is it that forms mode can't be turned on?
 
At this point, we don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.  Discussing these sorts of questions may help us find out.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:
You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

Actually, this is not specific for Firefox and NVDA, I guess. It might have for Google Chrome etc.
Well, nice point, I always can use just the Firefox native function. I was just wanting to experiment something new, do you know?
Em 21/11/2018 12:51, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

Hi Group,


If this Grammarly add on is specific for Firefox and NVDA, is it really necessary?  Firefox has a spell as you go feature that flags misspellings in edit fields. 


On 11/21/2018 4:11 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

But I can't even write something when this add-on is enabled. I just can't enter on the field to do it.
Em 21/11/2018 13:34, Gene escreveu:

You said NVDA enter in your message.  If you don't read messages before sending, it is a good idea.  You may make mistakes when writing that you catch when reading before sending.  I read mail before sending and I see errors in commands that I made when writing and I suspect this is common..
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Cheers,
Marcio
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different headers in Word

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I have the Microsoft Word with NVDA document and have read the section on headers. I have followed the keystrokes and added a page break and section break and a blank header ...

What I could not find any info on was how to unlink a header in one section from the header in the previous section so it can be different.

I'm trying to submit a piece of coursework for my screenwriting module that has a cover sheet, a section of character profiles and a section with the plot treatment.

Does anybody know how I can put a heading in section 2 that is for Character Profiles, and one in section 3 that says Treatment?

I have a workaround - a single header that says Character Profiles and Treatment, with a level 1 heading for Character Profiles and another level 1 heading for Treatment so it's not an urgent request but I'd like to know for future use :)

Giles


Re: Outlook Message List Freezing

Tony Malykh
 

I had exactly the same problem. Try the latest beta - 2018.4beta1 - it
solved it for me.

Tony

On 11/21/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to use Outlook 2016 for work. Unfortunately when I up and down
arrow through the message list the majority of the time NVDA seems to
freeze up and not read me the subject lines of the messages. Does
anyone have solutions to this?



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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I did and yes the machine that reads all the garbage in settings is the one affected.

On 20/11/2018 23:50, Don H wrote:
Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first came out and before it was pulled back.  It seems that the strange verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809 and does not happen with version 1803.


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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

Eleni Vamvakari
 

This is from the 2018.3.2 user guide.

"NVDA supports most displays from Handy Tech when connected via USB,
serial port or bluetooth. For older USB displays, you will need to
install the USB drivers from Handy Tech on your system.
The following displays are not supported out of the box, but can be
used via Handy Tech's universal driver and NVDA add-on:
• Braillino
• Bookworm
• Modular displays with firmware version 1.13 or lower. Please note
that the firmware of this displays can be updated."

I installed the Handy Tech Universal driver, but neither Braillino nor
Handy Tech show under displays. I would think that this is because
it's not connected, but none of the others are and they still show.
In 2017.3, it shows Handy Tech, but the User Guide still says that,
for older models, the driver is required. I need to be 100% sure that
the Braillino will work with NVDA or there is no reason for me to buy
it.

On 21/11/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on
Ebay.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't
satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis
3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a
table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest
version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with
speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Outlook Message List Freezing

kelby carlson
 

I have to use Outlook 2016 for work. Unfortunately when I up and down
arrow through the message list the majority of the time NVDA seems to
freeze up and not read me the subject lines of the messages. Does
anyone have solutions to this?



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Re: Bug in beta with command line window in administrator mode

Tony Malykh
 

Good catch, I was running it directly from the installer. I'll try to
properly install it tonight and see if I can still reproduce this. It
would be great to have some kind of meaningful error message if this
is expected behavior.

On 11/21/18, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
Are you running an installed copy? If not, then it won't work.
On 11/21/2018 10:30 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
All add-ons disabled, the bug is still there.
I couldn't find that bug in recently filed issues on github.

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does restarting with add-ons disabled help? If not, it would be best to
search GitHub for issues (it was noted a few months ago).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bug in beta with command line window in administrator
mode

Hello
I just tried NVDA 2018.4.beta1 and it cannot read the contents of
command
line window in Administrator mode. Here is the exception I'm
getting:
ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (10:09:54.604):
Error getting initial lines
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyo", line 260, in _monitor
File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyo", line 49, in _getTextLines
File "winConsoleHandler.pyo", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines
File "wincon.pyo", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid.

Command line with normal privileges works fine. I'm running the latest
Windows 10.
Also, what's the preferred way to report bugs like this? Should I send
an
email here or directly create an issue on github?

Thanks
Tony