Date   

Problem with NVDA and walmart.com

Andy
 

This evening I was on the www.salmart.com site attempting to buy a TV.  None of the controls would work, i. e. links, buttons, clickables, etc.  Using IE and Windows 7 64 bit.
 
Andy
 


Re: different headers in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Yep, I found that after I posted.  I've added it to my copy to be updated, thanks!


On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:20 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
thanks, Quentin. I read the section of the guide on headers and searched the whole document for the word unlink but couldn't find the info.

This is a big help :)

Giles



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Add-on Updater 18.12 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

For those on development list (nvda-devel): don’t worry about the hashtag.

 

I’m delighted to announce the next generation of Add-on Updater, version 18.12! This version is more than an update – it is an upgrade for a number of reasons. As always, the new version is just an update check away (via Add-on Updater).

 

Changelog:

 

  • Keep more add-ons up to date: in addition to adding update support for a number of add-ons (released via 18.11 series), version 18.12 will now check for, download, and install updates for even disabled add-ons. And don’t worry, disabled add-ons will stay turned off after an update.
  • NVDA version compatibility: Add-on Updater will check if the updated version of your add-ons are compatible with the current version of NVDA. This is done by looking for a manifest flag specifying the minimum version of NVDA the add-on will happily run under. Note that this requires a change to various add-ons.
  • Windows release compatibility: no, I’m not kidding. Some add-ons do require a specific version of Windows (or later) to be installed in order to function correctly. If an add-on does say so, Add-on Updater will check to make sure you’re indeed running the Windows release compatible with the add-on in question.
  • Continuity of operations: in the past, if something went wrong while updating an add-on, the old add-on would be removed. This has been fixed via continuity of operations – Add-on Updater will check for possible issues (mostly compatibility) before attempting to update an add-on.
  • User experience for automatic update checks: after Add-on Update checks for add-on updates in the background (that is, not via NVDA Tools/Check for Add-on Updates), you were greeted with a prompt asking if you wish to review updates. This prompt is gone – the update results dialog (which has been renamed, by the way) will show up automatically, mirroring that of NVDA updates.

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

 

  1. If Add-on Updater says that a specific add-on is not compatible with the NvDA version you’ve got, be sure to read the error message carefully, as it’ll tell you the minimum compatible NVDA version.
  2. If for some reason an add-on update says it isn’t compatible with the version of Windows you’re running, be sure to read add-on readme on community add-ons website, as the documentation will tell you compatible Windows release for the add-on.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: different headers in Word

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks, Quentin. I read the section of the guide on headers and searched the whole document for the word unlink but couldn't find the info.

This is a big help :)

Giles


Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in thenext few days #addonrelease

David Moore
 

Same from me, Joseph!

Thanks so much for what you do.

I use the clipboard add-ons a lot as well, I always have to append info to the clipboard.

I use Golden cursor every day to help people with math, and I use it with other software where object navigation does not even work!

I don’t know what we would do without you and your great add-ons!

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in thenext few days #AddonRelease

 

Thanks so much, Joseph. I find the various clipboard addons, as well as the Clock and Calendar addon, to be useful. Clip Contents Designer really speeds up my workflow as I often have a need to append items to the clipboard and paste them as one block of text.

Thank you for all that you do for the NVDA user community!

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 6:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

These are not my add-ons, but I’ll forward your findings to add-ons list in hopes that someone over there can help you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #AddonRelease

 

Joseph,

Thank you so much for this information. I notice that some addons that I use no longer allow me to fully close their respective dialog boxes/I believe that Clip Contents Designer is one of them, which is useful as it allows me to append items to the clipboard. I also use an addon to customize how the time and date are spoken, which has the same issue. I'm assuming this is compatibility related and I'm curious if you know anything about those addons.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 2:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

First, for those in United States, hope you’re enjoying your Thanksgiving.

 

In the next few days, I’ll be releasing major and maintenance versions of various add-ons. These updates will prepare various add-ons for future NvDA releases, specifically making them compatible with minimum NVDA version checks (and in case of at least three add-ons, requiring more recent Windows releases).

 

In order to reduce possible bandwidth burden on add-on update server, the following add-on updates will roll out in phases:

 

  • November 22nd: Easy Table Navigator 1.2, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.12, Golden Cursor 3.3, GoldWave 18.12 (these will hit the air in a few hours).
  • November 23rd: Object Location Tones 18.12, ObjPad 18.12, Resource Monitor 18.12, Unicode Braille Input 2.10 (EOL from Joseph).
  • November 27th: Add-on Updater 18.12, SystrayList 3.1 (no, not Python 3 transition version yet), Virtual Review 2.3.
  • November 30th: StationPlaylist Studio 18.12 (stable), Windows 10 App Essentials 18.12.

 

Notes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 18.12 will check for add-on compatibility flags. If an add-on manifest specifies a minimum NVDA version for an add-on and you happen to use an older NVDA release, Add-on Updater will refuse to update the add-on in question. At the moment only a handful of add-ons (including most add-ons from me) ship with minimum version requirement flag, so for other add-ons, Add-on Updater will just assume that new versions are compatible (for now; this may change based on community feedback to avoid updating add-ons whose manifest does not specify minimum NVDA version flag and/or last tested version string).
  • Starting from December 2018, Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor and Windows 10 App Essentials will enforce Windows release requirement during add-on updates. Thus, when you try to update these add-ons via Add-on Updater, these three add-ons will wholeheartedly refuse to install if you are running and unsupported Windows release for that add-on, even if you’re running a version of NVDA compatible with the add-on in question. This ensures continuity of operation – the add-on version you have won’t be removed. For reference, Resource Monitor require Windows 7 SP1, Enhanced Touch Gestures require Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 App Essentials require Windows 10 (the upcoming version requires Windows 10 Version 1709). In the future, more add-ons will require more recent Windows releases for various reasons.
  • In a future version of NVDA, NVDA may present “incompatible add-ons” dialog at startup if you are running any add-on not recently updated to specify compatible NVDA releases (minimum <= current <= last tested). Currently the feature that enables this dialog (worked by someone else) is awaiting review, and when it does make the cut to alpha snapshots, I expect an announcement (from NV Access and others) to be made via many channels.
  • Unicode Braille Input 2.10 will be the last version of that add-on from me. I have asked another NvDA developer to maintain this one.

 

Changelog:

  • All of these add-ons will come with varying levels of localization updates (some don’t have any localization updates, while others do).
  • All of them will come with NVDA version compatibility flags (both minimum and last tested flags will be present).
  • Most of them are Python 3 ready except for certain routines found in several add-ons.
  • GoldWave will include a potential bug fix reported by a user where NvDA may play error tones while performing some commands.
  • StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials will come with numerous enhancements and bug fixes.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #addonrelease

David Goldfield
 

Thanks so much, Joseph. I find the various clipboard addons, as well as the Clock and Calendar addon, to be useful. Clip Contents Designer really speeds up my workflow as I often have a need to append items to the clipboard and paste them as one block of text.

Thank you for all that you do for the NVDA user community!


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 6:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

These are not my add-ons, but I’ll forward your findings to add-ons list in hopes that someone over there can help you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #AddonRelease

 

Joseph,

Thank you so much for this information. I notice that some addons that I use no longer allow me to fully close their respective dialog boxes/I believe that Clip Contents Designer is one of them, which is useful as it allows me to append items to the clipboard. I also use an addon to customize how the time and date are spoken, which has the same issue. I'm assuming this is compatibility related and I'm curious if you know anything about those addons.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 2:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

First, for those in United States, hope you’re enjoying your Thanksgiving.

 

In the next few days, I’ll be releasing major and maintenance versions of various add-ons. These updates will prepare various add-ons for future NvDA releases, specifically making them compatible with minimum NVDA version checks (and in case of at least three add-ons, requiring more recent Windows releases).

 

In order to reduce possible bandwidth burden on add-on update server, the following add-on updates will roll out in phases:

 

  • November 22nd: Easy Table Navigator 1.2, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.12, Golden Cursor 3.3, GoldWave 18.12 (these will hit the air in a few hours).
  • November 23rd: Object Location Tones 18.12, ObjPad 18.12, Resource Monitor 18.12, Unicode Braille Input 2.10 (EOL from Joseph).
  • November 27th: Add-on Updater 18.12, SystrayList 3.1 (no, not Python 3 transition version yet), Virtual Review 2.3.
  • November 30th: StationPlaylist Studio 18.12 (stable), Windows 10 App Essentials 18.12.

 

Notes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 18.12 will check for add-on compatibility flags. If an add-on manifest specifies a minimum NVDA version for an add-on and you happen to use an older NVDA release, Add-on Updater will refuse to update the add-on in question. At the moment only a handful of add-ons (including most add-ons from me) ship with minimum version requirement flag, so for other add-ons, Add-on Updater will just assume that new versions are compatible (for now; this may change based on community feedback to avoid updating add-ons whose manifest does not specify minimum NVDA version flag and/or last tested version string).
  • Starting from December 2018, Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor and Windows 10 App Essentials will enforce Windows release requirement during add-on updates. Thus, when you try to update these add-ons via Add-on Updater, these three add-ons will wholeheartedly refuse to install if you are running and unsupported Windows release for that add-on, even if you’re running a version of NVDA compatible with the add-on in question. This ensures continuity of operation – the add-on version you have won’t be removed. For reference, Resource Monitor require Windows 7 SP1, Enhanced Touch Gestures require Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 App Essentials require Windows 10 (the upcoming version requires Windows 10 Version 1709). In the future, more add-ons will require more recent Windows releases for various reasons.
  • In a future version of NVDA, NVDA may present “incompatible add-ons” dialog at startup if you are running any add-on not recently updated to specify compatible NVDA releases (minimum <= current <= last tested). Currently the feature that enables this dialog (worked by someone else) is awaiting review, and when it does make the cut to alpha snapshots, I expect an announcement (from NV Access and others) to be made via many channels.
  • Unicode Braille Input 2.10 will be the last version of that add-on from me. I have asked another NvDA developer to maintain this one.

 

Changelog:

  • All of these add-ons will come with varying levels of localization updates (some don’t have any localization updates, while others do).
  • All of them will come with NVDA version compatibility flags (both minimum and last tested flags will be present).
  • Most of them are Python 3 ready except for certain routines found in several add-ons.
  • GoldWave will include a potential bug fix reported by a user where NvDA may play error tones while performing some commands.
  • StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials will come with numerous enhancements and bug fixes.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #addonrelease

 

Hi,

These are not my add-ons, but I’ll forward your findings to add-ons list in hopes that someone over there can help you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #AddonRelease

 

Joseph,

Thank you so much for this information. I notice that some addons that I use no longer allow me to fully close their respective dialog boxes/I believe that Clip Contents Designer is one of them, which is useful as it allows me to append items to the clipboard. I also use an addon to customize how the time and date are spoken, which has the same issue. I'm assuming this is compatibility related and I'm curious if you know anything about those addons.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 2:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

First, for those in United States, hope you’re enjoying your Thanksgiving.

 

In the next few days, I’ll be releasing major and maintenance versions of various add-ons. These updates will prepare various add-ons for future NvDA releases, specifically making them compatible with minimum NVDA version checks (and in case of at least three add-ons, requiring more recent Windows releases).

 

In order to reduce possible bandwidth burden on add-on update server, the following add-on updates will roll out in phases:

 

  • November 22nd: Easy Table Navigator 1.2, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.12, Golden Cursor 3.3, GoldWave 18.12 (these will hit the air in a few hours).
  • November 23rd: Object Location Tones 18.12, ObjPad 18.12, Resource Monitor 18.12, Unicode Braille Input 2.10 (EOL from Joseph).
  • November 27th: Add-on Updater 18.12, SystrayList 3.1 (no, not Python 3 transition version yet), Virtual Review 2.3.
  • November 30th: StationPlaylist Studio 18.12 (stable), Windows 10 App Essentials 18.12.

 

Notes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 18.12 will check for add-on compatibility flags. If an add-on manifest specifies a minimum NVDA version for an add-on and you happen to use an older NVDA release, Add-on Updater will refuse to update the add-on in question. At the moment only a handful of add-ons (including most add-ons from me) ship with minimum version requirement flag, so for other add-ons, Add-on Updater will just assume that new versions are compatible (for now; this may change based on community feedback to avoid updating add-ons whose manifest does not specify minimum NVDA version flag and/or last tested version string).
  • Starting from December 2018, Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor and Windows 10 App Essentials will enforce Windows release requirement during add-on updates. Thus, when you try to update these add-ons via Add-on Updater, these three add-ons will wholeheartedly refuse to install if you are running and unsupported Windows release for that add-on, even if you’re running a version of NVDA compatible with the add-on in question. This ensures continuity of operation – the add-on version you have won’t be removed. For reference, Resource Monitor require Windows 7 SP1, Enhanced Touch Gestures require Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 App Essentials require Windows 10 (the upcoming version requires Windows 10 Version 1709). In the future, more add-ons will require more recent Windows releases for various reasons.
  • In a future version of NVDA, NVDA may present “incompatible add-ons” dialog at startup if you are running any add-on not recently updated to specify compatible NVDA releases (minimum <= current <= last tested). Currently the feature that enables this dialog (worked by someone else) is awaiting review, and when it does make the cut to alpha snapshots, I expect an announcement (from NV Access and others) to be made via many channels.
  • Unicode Braille Input 2.10 will be the last version of that add-on from me. I have asked another NvDA developer to maintain this one.

 

Changelog:

  • All of these add-ons will come with varying levels of localization updates (some don’t have any localization updates, while others do).
  • All of them will come with NVDA version compatibility flags (both minimum and last tested flags will be present).
  • Most of them are Python 3 ready except for certain routines found in several add-ons.
  • GoldWave will include a potential bug fix reported by a user where NvDA may play error tones while performing some commands.
  • StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials will come with numerous enhancements and bug fixes.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Paypal bank details changed

Quentin Christensen
 

I didn't think we'd changed anything lately, but I'll look into it for you Brian.  Like you say, having something readable against each transaction makes working out which is what much easier.

If you have the PayPal receipt handy, would it be possible to email it to me offlist, please?  (Either to quentin@... or info@...).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 6:26 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well, I suspect Pay Pal, I wondered if anyone else had noticed that was all.
 Like most things to do with finance, it all seems totally illogical to the
person who is the customer!
 Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paypal bank details changed


Are you sure this is a change made by NV Access, and not by Paypal or
Lloyds?

Antony.

On Thursday 22 November 2018 at 16:32:08, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

> I noticed on my Lloyds statement the last donation I made to Nvaccess did
> not have the name just an impenetrable long number and direct debit. Which
> of course it is. I do sometimes despair at the human inability to keep
> things simple when they are working fine. sigh. I doubt there is much
> nvaccess can do about this, but really I use Paypal for other things and
> its not helpful if they remove the name in favour of some number.
>  Bah humbug.
>  Brian

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Re: donating Royalties to NV Access.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

I just wrote to you offlist.  Firstly, I want to thank you publicly for your support and for thinking of us!

We really appreciate it, and love the innovative ways everyone supports the project and engages the community!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:26 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:
My next Young Adult light fantasy book features a character who uses
both JAWS and NVDA. While I don't want to give reasons, I think NV
Access deserves the donations more than FS. I'd like to speak to someone
at NV Access to donate a portion of the royalties to NV Access. While my
publisher said they can do this on my behalf, we can't figure out who to
talk to. Does anybody know?





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Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #addonrelease

David Goldfield
 

Joseph,

Thank you so much for this information. I notice that some addons that I use no longer allow me to fully close their respective dialog boxes/I believe that Clip Contents Designer is one of them, which is useful as it allows me to append items to the clipboard. I also use an addon to customize how the time and date are spoken, which has the same issue. I'm assuming this is compatibility related and I'm curious if you know anything about those addons.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/22/2018 2:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

First, for those in United States, hope you’re enjoying your Thanksgiving.

 

In the next few days, I’ll be releasing major and maintenance versions of various add-ons. These updates will prepare various add-ons for future NvDA releases, specifically making them compatible with minimum NVDA version checks (and in case of at least three add-ons, requiring more recent Windows releases).

 

In order to reduce possible bandwidth burden on add-on update server, the following add-on updates will roll out in phases:

 

  • November 22nd: Easy Table Navigator 1.2, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.12, Golden Cursor 3.3, GoldWave 18.12 (these will hit the air in a few hours).
  • November 23rd: Object Location Tones 18.12, ObjPad 18.12, Resource Monitor 18.12, Unicode Braille Input 2.10 (EOL from Joseph).
  • November 27th: Add-on Updater 18.12, SystrayList 3.1 (no, not Python 3 transition version yet), Virtual Review 2.3.
  • November 30th: StationPlaylist Studio 18.12 (stable), Windows 10 App Essentials 18.12.

 

Notes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 18.12 will check for add-on compatibility flags. If an add-on manifest specifies a minimum NVDA version for an add-on and you happen to use an older NVDA release, Add-on Updater will refuse to update the add-on in question. At the moment only a handful of add-ons (including most add-ons from me) ship with minimum version requirement flag, so for other add-ons, Add-on Updater will just assume that new versions are compatible (for now; this may change based on community feedback to avoid updating add-ons whose manifest does not specify minimum NVDA version flag and/or last tested version string).
  • Starting from December 2018, Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor and Windows 10 App Essentials will enforce Windows release requirement during add-on updates. Thus, when you try to update these add-ons via Add-on Updater, these three add-ons will wholeheartedly refuse to install if you are running and unsupported Windows release for that add-on, even if you’re running a version of NVDA compatible with the add-on in question. This ensures continuity of operation – the add-on version you have won’t be removed. For reference, Resource Monitor require Windows 7 SP1, Enhanced Touch Gestures require Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 App Essentials require Windows 10 (the upcoming version requires Windows 10 Version 1709). In the future, more add-ons will require more recent Windows releases for various reasons.
  • In a future version of NVDA, NVDA may present “incompatible add-ons” dialog at startup if you are running any add-on not recently updated to specify compatible NVDA releases (minimum <= current <= last tested). Currently the feature that enables this dialog (worked by someone else) is awaiting review, and when it does make the cut to alpha snapshots, I expect an announcement (from NV Access and others) to be made via many channels.
  • Unicode Braille Input 2.10 will be the last version of that add-on from me. I have asked another NvDA developer to maintain this one.

 

Changelog:

  • All of these add-ons will come with varying levels of localization updates (some don’t have any localization updates, while others do).
  • All of them will come with NVDA version compatibility flags (both minimum and last tested flags will be present).
  • Most of them are Python 3 ready except for certain routines found in several add-ons.
  • GoldWave will include a potential bug fix reported by a user where NvDA may play error tones while performing some commands.
  • StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials will come with numerous enhancements and bug fixes.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Joseph Lee's add-ons: various add-ons to be updated in the next few days #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

First, for those in United States, hope you’re enjoying your Thanksgiving.

 

In the next few days, I’ll be releasing major and maintenance versions of various add-ons. These updates will prepare various add-ons for future NvDA releases, specifically making them compatible with minimum NVDA version checks (and in case of at least three add-ons, requiring more recent Windows releases).

 

In order to reduce possible bandwidth burden on add-on update server, the following add-on updates will roll out in phases:

 

  • November 22nd: Easy Table Navigator 1.2, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.12, Golden Cursor 3.3, GoldWave 18.12 (these will hit the air in a few hours).
  • November 23rd: Object Location Tones 18.12, ObjPad 18.12, Resource Monitor 18.12, Unicode Braille Input 2.10 (EOL from Joseph).
  • November 27th: Add-on Updater 18.12, SystrayList 3.1 (no, not Python 3 transition version yet), Virtual Review 2.3.
  • November 30th: StationPlaylist Studio 18.12 (stable), Windows 10 App Essentials 18.12.

 

Notes:

 

  • Add-on Updater 18.12 will check for add-on compatibility flags. If an add-on manifest specifies a minimum NVDA version for an add-on and you happen to use an older NVDA release, Add-on Updater will refuse to update the add-on in question. At the moment only a handful of add-ons (including most add-ons from me) ship with minimum version requirement flag, so for other add-ons, Add-on Updater will just assume that new versions are compatible (for now; this may change based on community feedback to avoid updating add-ons whose manifest does not specify minimum NVDA version flag and/or last tested version string).
  • Starting from December 2018, Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor and Windows 10 App Essentials will enforce Windows release requirement during add-on updates. Thus, when you try to update these add-ons via Add-on Updater, these three add-ons will wholeheartedly refuse to install if you are running and unsupported Windows release for that add-on, even if you’re running a version of NVDA compatible with the add-on in question. This ensures continuity of operation – the add-on version you have won’t be removed. For reference, Resource Monitor require Windows 7 SP1, Enhanced Touch Gestures require Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 App Essentials require Windows 10 (the upcoming version requires Windows 10 Version 1709). In the future, more add-ons will require more recent Windows releases for various reasons.
  • In a future version of NVDA, NVDA may present “incompatible add-ons” dialog at startup if you are running any add-on not recently updated to specify compatible NVDA releases (minimum <= current <= last tested). Currently the feature that enables this dialog (worked by someone else) is awaiting review, and when it does make the cut to alpha snapshots, I expect an announcement (from NV Access and others) to be made via many channels.
  • Unicode Braille Input 2.10 will be the last version of that add-on from me. I have asked another NvDA developer to maintain this one.

 

Changelog:

  • All of these add-ons will come with varying levels of localization updates (some don’t have any localization updates, while others do).
  • All of them will come with NVDA version compatibility flags (both minimum and last tested flags will be present).
  • Most of them are Python 3 ready except for certain routines found in several add-ons.
  • GoldWave will include a potential bug fix reported by a user where NvDA may play error tones while performing some commands.
  • StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials will come with numerous enhancements and bug fixes.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Paypal bank details changed

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, I suspect Pay Pal, I wondered if anyone else had noticed that was all.
Like most things to do with finance, it all seems totally illogical to the person who is the customer!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paypal bank details changed


Are you sure this is a change made by NV Access, and not by Paypal or Lloyds?

Antony.

On Thursday 22 November 2018 at 16:32:08, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I noticed on my Lloyds statement the last donation I made to Nvaccess did
not have the name just an impenetrable long number and direct debit. Which
of course it is. I do sometimes despair at the human inability to keep
things simple when they are working fine. sigh. I doubt there is much
nvaccess can do about this, but really I use Paypal for other things and
its not helpful if they remove the name in favour of some number.
Bah humbug.
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Re: Paypal bank details changed

Antony Stone
 

Are you sure this is a change made by NV Access, and not by Paypal or Lloyds?

Antony.

On Thursday 22 November 2018 at 16:32:08, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I noticed on my Lloyds statement the last donation I made to Nvaccess did
not have the name just an impenetrable long number and direct debit. Which
of course it is. I do sometimes despair at the human inability to keep
things simple when they are working fine. sigh. I doubt there is much
nvaccess can do about this, but really I use Paypal for other things and
its not helpful if they remove the name in favour of some number.
Bah humbug.
Brian
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Paypal bank details changed

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I noticed on my Lloyds statement the last donation I made to Nvaccess did not have the name just an impenetrable long number and direct debit. Which of course it is. I do sometimes despair at the human inability to keep things simple when they are working fine. sigh. I doubt there is much nvaccess can do about this, but really I use Paypal for other things and its not helpful if they remove the name in favour of some number.
Bah humbug.
Brian

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Re: Curious how NVDA stacks up was Fw: Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

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So as I said, can Narrator do it?
Brian

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From: "Sile via Groups.Io" <somodhrain=googlemail.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Curious how NVDA stacks up was Fw: Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.


Hello, I have been using PowerPoint for many years with NVDA. On the whole it works well, but it is difficult to click on videos and audio files that are embedded in slides. I sometimes get around this by duplicating a slide and having it auto trigger audio on advance. So if there are supposed to be for audio clips on the slide, that will be for copies of the slide each triggering one of the files. It’s not ideal, but it does work. Adding video and audio files on your own is impossible, because by default PowerPoint places a big icon that takes up most of the screen all over whatever images and texts are already there. I can’t find a way to size this without cited assistance, and put it in the right place on the slide.

And yes,speaker notes are not easily accessible I always wanted to have speaker notes sent to a braille display, so I could read them while the slides were being displayed on the screen. But I’ve never figured out how to do this.

Sile
On Nov 16, 2018, at 3:08 PM, erik burggraaf <erik@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:

Hi, I know this character has a lot invested in the old paradigm, but I'm curious. How well does NVDA handle the issues described below? Are these real things, or is jaws simply behind the 8ball?

If you have good information, please drop me a note at erik@erik-burggraaf.com so as not to start a screen reader war. :-)

Thanks and regards,

Erik


On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 3:06 AM Brian Hartgen via Leaseylist asked:


Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.


This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.


As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.


A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.


To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.


The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.


If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@hartgenconsultancy.com. We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.


If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.


We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.


Brian Hartgen

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Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know if use of illegal Eloquence has anything to do with the discussion or not but the issue is much wider and the illegal Eloquence may have little or nothing to do with it.  NVDA's internal code is going to change significantly and there has been ongoing discussion about how that will affect add-ons that haven't been updated by their creators now and in the not too distant future.  I believe not much effect on add-ons has happened yet.
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

I suspect its due to people using the old now illegal and unsupported add
ons or have not kept it up to date. That is the usual thing. Folk tend to
leave it and then find its broken when they want it.
 I hate Eloquence, indeed I just installed EspeakNG on Jaws with my Quincy
voice, the file for which I had to manually import as  the sappi 5 version
seems to have lost all the nice variants of the nvda version for some odd
reason.
 Its OK but a bit more sing song than it is on nvda for some reason.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA


Working great with NVDA2018.3.2. It should work. Where do some people spread
such misleading info I wonder?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 13 nov 2018, a la(s) 8:30 a. m., kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
escribió:

> Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
> synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
> have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
> Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
> I am really comfortable with.
>
>
>
> --
> Kelby Carlson
>
>
>






Re: donating Royalties to NV Access.

Marshall handheld Flax
 

https://www.nvaccess.org/contact-us/ is probably the best place to start.  Thank you!

Marshall


On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 8:26 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@... wrote:
My next Young Adult light fantasy book features a character who uses
both JAWS and NVDA. While I don't want to give reasons, I think NV
Access deserves the donations more than FS. I'd like to speak to someone
at NV Access to donate a portion of the royalties to NV Access. While my
publisher said they can do this on my behalf, we can't figure out who to
talk to. Does anybody know?




Re: Curious how NVDA stacks up was Fw: Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

Sile
 

Hello, I have been using PowerPoint for many years with NVDA. On the whole it works well, but it is difficult to click on videos and audio files that are embedded in slides.  I sometimes get around this by duplicating a slide and having it auto trigger audio on advance. So if there are supposed to be for audio clips on the slide, that will be for copies of the slide each triggering one of the files. It’s not ideal, but it does work. Adding video and audio files on your own is impossible, because by default PowerPoint places a big icon that takes up most of the screen all over whatever images and texts are already there. I can’t find a way to size this without cited assistance, and put it in the right place on the slide.

And yes,speaker notes are not easily accessible I always wanted to have speaker notes sent to a braille display, so I could read them while the slides were being displayed on the screen. But I’ve never figured out how to do this.

Sile


On Nov 16, 2018, at 3:08 PM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hi, I know this character has a lot invested in the old paradigm, but I'm curious.  How well does NVDA handle the issues described below?  Are these real things, or is jaws simply behind the 8ball?

If you have good information, please drop me a note at erik@... so as not to start a screen reader war.  :-)

Thanks and regards,

Erik


On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 3:06 AM Brian Hartgen via Leaseylist asked:

Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

Brian Hartgen

Choose Hartgen Consultancy for high quality JAWS Script Writing, training and our products including J-Say, J-Dictate and Leasey.

Opening Hours: 9 AM to 5 PM UK time, Monday to Friday.

Telephone (in the UK) 02920-850298.

Telephone (in the United States of America) 1-415-871-0626.

Telephone (from any other country) +44-2920-820598.

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donating Royalties to NV Access.

 

My next Young Adult light fantasy book features a character who uses both JAWS and NVDA. While I don't want to give reasons, I think NV Access deserves the donations more than FS. I'd like to speak to someone at NV Access to donate a portion of the royalties to NV Access. While my publisher said they can do this on my behalf, we can't figure out who to talk to. Does anybody know?


Re: Slightly Sluggish Response in Thunderbird Using 2018.4 Beta 1

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It could be that the use of UIA in 10 has resulted in far more emphasis on this and maybe the loops required to find the right API are now slower, but only when on Windows 7 in the main, but in some software where UIA is not used the same thing applies.

Since we have not been having access to the betas as we used to its been hard to see what has been going on, as we only get the alphas, and sometimes these are broken so many of us will not use them as everyday versions as we used to with the master snaps when we had access to them. I feel that auto testing is fine, but subtle things like speed are not spotted as a problem until a user gets into the loop
Having said that of course whether its really an issue is hard to say. I can feel it, but in the main things are not a problem as I'm not a fast typist and the odd hiccup or pause could well be due to a windows update, who knows?

I would bet that most testing is done on Windows 10 of which there are so many concurrently running versions it has to be a total nightmare for any software writer.
I have and still do felt and feel that Windows as a service that is evolving sounds great, but in practice there are so many changes that compatibility is really getting to be a bit like throwing a dice.
I'm staying on 7, having been completely put off by windows 10 changes on my other machine.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly Sluggish Response in Thunderbird Using 2018.4 Beta 1


Brian, I would say that your comments match my experiences with the latest beta. Hopefully, NV Access will figure out what is causing the issue.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 11/22/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Now on Windows 7, I would say that for me, quite a lot of NVDA in the latest beta feels a little' soggy' compared to the release version. Its only a touch, but its as if you had suddenly upped the screen res with a computer that is a little slow, that kind of feel.
That is not to say its slow, just different.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] Slightly Sluggish Response in Thunderbird Using 2018.4 Beta 1


Hi.

I installed 2018.4 beta 1 today using Espeak on Windows 10 Pro, build 1809, 64 bit.

I'm noticing a slightly more sluggish or delayed response when navigating within email messages using Mozilla Thunderbird. Specifically, when I press the letter K to move by links the response time is a bit slower. Pressing left/right arrow keys also is slightly slower. When I uninstalled the beta and reinstalled 2018.3.2 response time was back to normal. Occasionally, I've noticed similar behavior using Google Chrome. Have others seen this behavior as well?


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