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Re: Need help with help.

Rick
 

Hello Max:

 

The table of contents is a hierarchal bulleted list. Unfortunately, the bullets are not part of the links, so when you up and down arrow (or use the I key for list navigation), you are most likely on the bullet and not on the link. Hence, hitting Enter or the spacebar will have no effect. You can check this by:

  • Navigate to the table of contents line that you would like to jump to.
  • Press the tab key (or the right arrow key twice) to move to the actual chapter link and you may hear “link” followed by the starting number of the section you want to jump to.
  • At this point, if you press the left arrow, you should hear “out of link, space” and pressing let arrow again will land you on the bullet (which will vary based upon the indentation level).

A better way to navigate the table of contents line by line is by using the tab key, which will make sure you land on links and not bullets.

 

I am not sure why bullets are shown in the table of contents. Since HTML allows list attributes that can hide the bullets, maybe this could be considered as an improvement next time the help document is updated.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


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Re: Need help with help.

Gene
 

I see that you are using Edge so my question about the browser being used isn't necessary to answer and others have dealt with my questions about whether this is a general probem or not.  However, my suggestion of how to move using the find command may be useful at some time so even if you generally don't need it, it may be useful on some page at some time in the future.  and it may be useful in other contexts.  For example, I like to save PDF documents as text files and read them in Notepad.  In such a case, using a line in a table of contents, or part of a line, the whole line may not be suitable for some reason, is often a good way to find something quickly. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

Try firefox and see if thatworks. Also try reinstalling nvda if you can. It seems like sometign somewhare is broken. I don't use edge for this reason. Firefox and chrome just tend to work better.

On 24 Nov 2018, at 9:02, MAX wrote:

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


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Re: Need help with help.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try firefox and see if thatworks. Also try reinstalling nvda if you can. It seems like sometign somewhare is broken. I don't use edge for this reason. Firefox and chrome just tend to work better.

On 24 Nov 2018, at 9:02, MAX wrote:

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


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Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Gene
 

I can see such indications as well.  I'm becoming suspicious that this is related to the other proboem.  Something may have changed that causes this problem but it may only cause it if the other problem exists.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi Group,


I am running Windows 10 version 18.09 and I also can see the Dropbox
tray icon and can read basic things as status and updated.


On 11/24/2018 6:35 AM, Clare Page wrote:
> Hi!
> It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
> Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
> preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
> still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
> that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
> system tray includes the words "up to date".
> Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
> sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
> the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
> Bye for now!
> >From Clare
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again
>
> Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but  somewhere along the
> line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
> coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
>   Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
> default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
> box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
> cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
> person in to do it.
>   Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
> not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
> coming in at my end.
>   Brian
>
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Re: Need help with help.

Gene
 

If you are saying that it is necessary to use h to move by heading before the table of contents links work, then that is a problem with the coding of links in the Table of Contents that needs to be investigated.  Such links, that take the user to the text desired, shouldn't require any certain procedure to be executed before pressing enter on them will work.  Are you saying that the links don't work if you open the page and tab or read or down arrow to the link?  Are you saying a move by heading command needs to be issued first?  and in which sscreen-reader?  H is move by heading in both JAWS and NVDA.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

Hi Max. If you not aware already I’d learn using your NVDA hotkeys for browsing on the web. If you are also a JAWS user H for switching to different headings is one key to get you started. Now you should be able to press enter on the links within the user manual. I’ve done this successfully with Edge and Firefox. Try that out and let me know how it goes.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of MAX <max@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:02:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.
 

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


73 (Regards).

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Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I also have the same results as Clare with my Windows 10 18.09 system.  I haven't used the Dropbox add on for years and I have no issues.  I wonder if the report dynamic changes and/or tool tips reporting under NVDA settings is the issue for some people.

On 11/24/2018 9:15 AM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
Dropbox starts when Windows starts on my Windows 7 computer, and I no longer use the Dropbox add-on, but I still can read the preferences and get information about uploads and downloads, as I mentioned below. I don't have to open Dropbox from the desktop to get all this information, although seeing that Dropbox is up to date by reading the system tray icon is one indication that my computer is connected to the Internet and ready to use after I start it.
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 14:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Do you have the Dropbox AddOn for NVDA activated? With Windows10 Dropbox tells me when files are received here at my end. However what I’m finding is even though Dropbox is set to start up upon Windows, I need to open the dropbox folder for Dropbox to open up and start working. I went into MsConfig, where everything seems to be alright.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 nov 2018, a la(s) 5:35 a. m., Clare Page <clare.page@...> escribió:

Hi!
It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
system tray includes the words "up to date".
Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

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Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the
line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
coming in at my end.
Brian

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Re: Need help with help.

Tyler Spivey
 

As long as you press enter on the link (and not the bullet beside it),
you should be moved to that section. That doesn't work in Edge.
Switch to another browser and you should be fine.
Alternatively, navigate by headings until you find the part of the user
guide you want.

On 11/24/2018 9:02 AM, MAX wrote:
Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I
haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look
it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user
guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down
arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar
nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But
that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues
reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and
put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried
the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to
the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page
which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems
like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which
should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. 
Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having
clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone
here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind
of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...
<mailto:max@...>> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when
I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


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Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I am running Windows 10 version 18.09 and I also can see the Dropbox tray icon and can read basic things as status and updated.

On 11/24/2018 6:35 AM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
system tray includes the words "up to date".
Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the
line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
coming in at my end.
Brian

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Re: Need help with help.

Gene
 

I'm not sure what is causing the problem.  Which browser are you using?  It sounds, from what you describe, that the browser is moving to where it should be but the NVDA browse mode buffer isn't updated. 
 
One way to work around the probem is the following:
Move to the item in the table of contents you want to read.
Select the title of the item, you can select the whole line, which includes its number in the outline, and copy it to the clipboard.
For example:
4.1. Launching NVDA
Open the NVDA find dialog, used when in browse mode.  The command is insert control f.  You can use either insert.
Paste the line into the search field and press enter.  You should be moved to that part of the guide.
You can save the guide in whatever formats your browser offers and use find in whatever you are using to read the document in the same way.  
 
Gene   

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


73 (Regards).

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Re: Need help with help.

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi Max. If you not aware already I’d learn using your NVDA hotkeys for browsing on the web. If you are also a JAWS user H for switching to different headings is one key to get you started. Now you should be able to press enter on the links within the user manual. I’ve done this successfully with Edge and Firefox. Try that out and let me know how it goes.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of MAX <max@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:02:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.
 

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

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Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
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Re: Need help with help.

MAX <max@...>
 

Hi All.

 

It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly.  I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.

 

Here is my problem.  When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA.  When I press enter or space bar nothing happens.  I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse.  But that’s not all.  I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents.  I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time.  I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed.  This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example.  I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on.  Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.

 

Hi Max,

 

Welcome to the group.  If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.

 

Do you have a particular question now?  You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:

I'm new to the NVDA group.  I'll ask my question giving details when I find
what kind of reception questions such as this receive on this list.


73 (Regards).

Max.  K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html
Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com

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Re: SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials emergency patches #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Eh?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials emergency patches #AddonRelease

 

did you see my post speaking on the hiccup we had while working with Microsoft disability?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials emergency patches #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Important notice for users of StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials add-ons: originally, I planned to release version 18.12 next week that’ll ship with compatibility flags with future NVDA releases. However, given the speed of development of internal changes to NVDA that deals with compatibility flags, I’m releasing emergency compatibility patches for these add-ons as follows:

 

  • StationPlaylist Studio: version 18.11.2A for stable, 18.09.5A-LTS for long-term channel subscribers
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: 18.11.2A stable

 

These emergency patches are designed specifically for people using NVDA alpha snapshots who might be using stable add-on releases, and you can check for updates in about an hour from now. Note that for those using development versions of these add-ons, the needed compatibility flags are already present, so no need to worry.

 

Special note for SPL Studio long-term channel users: it turns out version 18.09.5-LTS was never released (it shows up as released but you couldn’t download the installer). I’ll be fixing this as part of today’s release.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Dropbox starts when Windows starts on my Windows 7 computer, and I no longer use the Dropbox add-on, but I still can read the preferences and get information about uploads and downloads, as I mentioned below. I don't have to open Dropbox from the desktop to get all this information, although seeing that Dropbox is up to date by reading the system tray icon is one indication that my computer is connected to the Internet and ready to use after I start it.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 14:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Do you have the Dropbox AddOn for NVDA activated? With Windows10 Dropbox tells me when files are received here at my end. However what I’m finding is even though Dropbox is set to start up upon Windows, I need to open the dropbox folder for Dropbox to open up and start working. I went into MsConfig, where everything seems to be alright.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 nov 2018, a la(s) 5:35 a. m., Clare Page <clare.page@...> escribió:

Hi!
It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
system tray includes the words "up to date".
Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the
line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
coming in at my end.
Brian

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Re: Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website

Gene
 

A lot of sites still use Fllash for playing audio and I imagine many sites still have Flash interfaces for other things.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website

No but according to Adobe, Flash is soon to be discontinued. does this site
not offer an html 5 version of its interface?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tim@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website


I'm working with a volunteer who is blind to access an online voicemail
system through my.jive.com. The website uses flash software and we're able
to access the names of the voicemails using NVDA, but we're not able to
click on the links to listen to them.

We're using a HP Pavilion Notebook PC with Windows 10 Home Version 1803.

Does anyone have experience with my.jive.com through Jive Communications?
Has anyone resolved issues when issue flash on a website?

Thanks for your help!
Tim







Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Gerardo Corripio
 

Do you have the Dropbox AddOn for NVDA activated? With Windows10 Dropbox tells me when files are received here at my end. However what I’m finding is even though Dropbox is set to start up upon Windows, I need to open the dropbox folder for Dropbox to open up and start working. I went into MsConfig, where everything seems to be alright.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 nov 2018, a la(s) 5:35 a. m., Clare Page <clare.page@...> escribió:

Hi!
It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
system tray includes the words "up to date".
Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the
line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
coming in at my end.
Brian

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Re: Dropbox and nvda again

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
It's interesting that you have this acdcessibility problem with Dropbox,
Brian, as I am still on Windows 7 here, and I can still read the Dropbox
preferences, keep track of uploads and downloads in the system tray, and I
still get help balloons to tell me a download has finished: I don't get told
that an upload is finished, but I know it has when the Dropbox icon in the
system tray includes the words "up to date".
Since you can't read the preferences yourself, I think you should get
sighted help to go through the dialogues there to see if changing some of
the settings will bring more accessibility back for you. I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: samedi 24 novembre 2018 12:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and nvda again

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the
line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are
coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the
default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences
box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I
cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted
person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does
not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped
coming in at my end.
Brian

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Dropbox and nvda again

Brian's Mail list account
 

Hi I'm not quite sure when this started to occur, but somewhere along the line Dropbox does not seem to push out any kind of alert when files are coming in or indeed indicate when they are being uploaded on the tray icon.
Are these preferenc choices which have been changed recently from the default of on it used to have? Obviously since I cannot use the preferences box, the share dialogue or other similar windows on windows 7 it seems, I cannot check but if it can be toggled on again, then I'll get a sighted person in to do it.
Its rather irritating as it seems the person using it at our studio does not know when its completed uploading and I do not know when its stopped coming in at my end.
Brian

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Re: SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials emergency patches #addonrelease

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

did you see my post speaking on the hiccup we had while working with Microsoft disability?

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials emergency patches #AddonRelease

Hi all,

 

Important notice for users of StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials add-ons: originally, I planned to release version 18.12 next week that’ll ship with compatibility flags with future NVDA releases. However, given the speed of development of internal changes to NVDA that deals with compatibility flags, I’m releasing emergency compatibility patches for these add-ons as follows:

 

  • StationPlaylist Studio: version 18.11.2A for stable, 18.09.5A-LTS for long-term channel subscribers
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: 18.11.2A stable

 

These emergency patches are designed specifically for people using NVDA alpha snapshots who might be using stable add-on releases, and you can check for updates in about an hour from now. Note that for those using development versions of these add-ons, the needed compatibility flags are already present, so no need to worry.

 

Special note for SPL Studio long-term channel users: it turns out version 18.09.5-LTS was never released (it shows up as released but you couldn’t download the installer). I’ll be fixing this as part of today’s release.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Scren reader malfunctioning

Brian's Mail list account
 

When you say reformatted. Do you really mean that or a reinstall of windows over the top of itself?
Most of the problems I've seen like this have been due to a kind of remaining bit of the parameters of some software being there, but windows or nvda getting confused what its doing. Oftn if it is only nvda which is the issue, you can weed out all the occurrences of nvda and install clean and start again. If other things are affected then stuff can get more complicated. So it might still be that the reason you cannot action the items you say is purely due to nvda not being in a good state. I assume this is the latest Windows 10? If so then try using narrator for making things work like anti virus and firewall, however I'd be a bit worried why, after a reinstall all of this was not on by default.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Scren reader malfunctioning


Hi good people:
Please I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader. I started
having these problems after a reformatting of my laptop computer a few
days ago.
The first problem is that I cannot change the keyboard layout from
desktop to laptop. When I activate the laptop option, it does not
change from desk top to laptop. I don't understand why this is
happening. I in fact re-installed the program, but the problem has
persisted.
The problem is peculiar with NVDA, because I don't have these problems
with JAWS. Please is there a fix for these problems.
I also want to find out how I can turn on windows defender, or windows
firewall. When I attempted turning on windows defender, by typing
defender in to the search box, and windows defender coming up, I am
unable to pull down the file menu to go to tools, in order to do the
turn on. I even tried using the application key, all to no avail.
Hope to read a response.
From Ibrahim.


Re: Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website

Brian's Mail list account
 

No but according to Adobe, Flash is soon to be discontinued. does this site not offer an html 5 version of its interface?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tim@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues using Flash Based Voicemail Website


I'm working with a volunteer who is blind to access an online voicemail system through my.jive.com. The website uses flash software and we're able to access the names of the voicemails using NVDA, but we're not able to click on the links to listen to them.

We're using a HP Pavilion Notebook PC with Windows 10 Home Version 1803.

Does anyone have experience with my.jive.com through Jive Communications?
Has anyone resolved issues when issue flash on a website?

Thanks for your help!
Tim