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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

John Isige
 

That's not really true though. Take the IPA 'j', that has the sound of a
'y' at the beginning of words in English, like 'young'. Obviously I
picked an easy one that you can represent with the normal Latin
alphabet. But you basically go "this character here means what we call a
lateral spirant, which is this noise", in case anybody's wondering
that's the so-called double-l in Welsh, among other languages, e.g.
Navajo. So yes, it was developed by sighted people. But there's nothing
particularly sighted about it. I could just say 'cdj' represents the
final sound in the English word 'edge'. Put another way, everybody has
to learn it. There's nothing about sight that makes you look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA. Now, maybe
it's harder because nobody bothered to name the IPA characters. But
assuming for the moment that they all have some sort of name attached to
them, all you need to know is that currently unannounced character foo
means noise bar, and of course you need character foo to be announced as
character foo.

On 11/27/2018 8:32, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:

It shouldn’t be hard to do.

Well, and not for the purpose of being nasty or contrary, nothing
could be further from the truth.

This is a particular instance where no matter what the accessibility
workaround it is taking a medium meant to be accessed by sight, really
only accessed by sight, that is a transcription of sound.  It is
particularly and peculiarly unsuited to any methods currently known
and the only thing I can think of would be if one could get a
synthesizer to read the IPA graphemes as phonemes, one-by-one, and
even that doesn't come close to connected speech.

I have said, on many occasions, that sometimes there is no substitute
for sight and that all accessibility is a workaround which imposes
specific limitations not posed by media being "consumed" in the
sensory modality for which it was explicitly designed.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Sarah k Alawami
 

We got challenged to IPA the alphabet as in the sound for a would be in my case a diphthong as that's how I myself say it. And b would be 2 sounds etc. It's actually quite interesting and helped me with my german when I was singing good luck with nvda and IPA. I never used it in windows.

On 26 Nov 2018, at 19:56, enes sarıbaş wrote:

so Brian, you are one of the few people who know what I got myself into then.  I think I can write the morphology assignment with no phonetics. Moreover, as I will do my thesis on pragmatics, I will not use more phonetics for the rest of my master. But I want to eventually learn the alphabet, as I want to do a doctorate in linguistics.


On 11/27/2018 1:44 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:16 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
So the concept is then, trying to put sounds into a writable form for a person who cannot see it in the first place. This sounds a bit like some kind comedy sketch from an old goon show.
Precisely.

I also don't know how to explain that we who see and are examining material in the IPA are not trying to read it, but are really using it to "sound it out."

As you're also a Brian, you know what our shared name sounds like.  It would be written in IPA so that linguists, or non-native speakers of a given language, can sound out how we pronounce it.  No one ever reads it character by character using the actual IPA character name, but using the sound (AKA phoneme) that the character represents.

The list that John Isige presented is not comprehensive, either (and, John, that's not a swipe at you, it's just an observation).  A number of the common vowel digraphs of English are missing.

All of this takes me back to when I was studying speech and language pathology for my master's and put together a child-language checksheet for order of acquisition of various English phonemes, morphological markers, as well as interactional skills/communicative intents (among other things).

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

If they do Email it you for free, it's illegal. Remember, the author does have to make a living.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 26 November 2018 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its not in his list, but the text nav is my best guess for the culprit It might be any though if a command key is defined that clashes with ocr..
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


Is the old OCR add-on installed and running? If it is, disable it. NVDA doesn't use that add-on for OCR. I don't know if it could, but perhaps if you have the add-on running, it is causing the problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: P. Otter
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:
Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR
functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
Focus Highlight;
TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
Remote Support;
TextNav;
Windows 10 App Essentials;
Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think first I'd disable an add on one at a time as clearly it has to be one of them from the symptoms.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:
Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
Focus Highlight;
TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
Remote Support;
TextNav;
Windows 10 App Essentials;
Re: Audio Output

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That cut off is a sound driver issue. Its been mentioned here before. I suspect you are suffering from the driver problems I seem to remember somebody saying that an add on that pretends to play a silent sound all the time fixes the unmute too late issues on these silly drivers.
As for the rest, well, I still suspect its drivers myself.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output


Thanks! This did not work. However, I now have something more weird. By selecting the laptop speakers, NVDA ouputs through logitech headset (but it cuts off the initial letters of words ). Still more weird, it now sends the system sounds out through the speakers.

The headset is Logitech H820E,.

Warmly,
Ralph

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda.
Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with.
Its mega weird.
Brian

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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same
kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output
switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the
headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find
are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to
the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the
laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph
Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Ann Byrne
 

The NVAccess books cost far less, and although they are NVDA focused to a degree, the instruction in Office products is excellent and they include exercises to reinforce what is taught.

At 10:13 AM 11/27/2018, you wrote:
With access technology institute, you are definitely paying for a brand.
I've used them. It is an outstanding brand! it's not cheap, and I realize not everyone can afford it, but sometimes it's okay to charge what something is worth. Regardless of where the materials come from, a lot of time and effort go in to their preparation. the reason why you would pay high prices for these books is that if you've used the access technology institute for many years and you're used to the training style, then you would want to keep dealing with them. Otherwise, you may want to save money and go with the equally valuable materials that come directly from NV access for a lower price, the manual, online forums, and this email list as references.

You would hope that something comes back from ATI to envy access from the purchase of these textbooks, but I wouldn't count on it. At least, if you buy textbooks directly from envy access, you know you're supporting the product.

personally, I'm a little gratified that they cared enough to make the materials. Most business class organizations are still focused on Jaws despite the tremendous benefits of nvda.

I hope ATI sells a ton of their textbooks to businesses, rehabilitation agencies, and other groups who love paying a lot of money for ...stuff.


On November 26, 2018 4:53:10 PM "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@juno.com> wrote:

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind
of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it
is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA
screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the
entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through
everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one
have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about
windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks
about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new
computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the
book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons
is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several
lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly
about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone
bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also
like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that
to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
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Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

With access technology institute, you are definitely paying for a brand. I've used them. It is an outstanding brand! it's not cheap, and I realize not everyone can afford it, but sometimes it's okay to charge what something is worth. Regardless of where the materials come from, a lot of time and effort go in to their preparation. the reason why you would pay high prices for these books is that if you've used the access technology institute for many years and you're used to the training style, then you would want to keep dealing with them. Otherwise, you may want to save money and go with the equally valuable materials that come directly from NV access for a lower price, the manual, online forums, and this email list as references.

You would hope that something comes back from ATI to envy access from the purchase of these textbooks, but I wouldn't count on it. At least, if you buy textbooks directly from envy access, you know you're supporting the product.

personally, I'm a little gratified that they cared enough to make the materials. Most business class organizations are still focused on Jaws despite the tremendous benefits of nvda.

I hope ATI sells a ton of their textbooks to businesses, rehabilitation agencies, and other groups who love paying a lot of money for ...stuff.

On November 26, 2018 4:53:10 PM "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@juno.com> wrote:

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind
of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it
is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA
screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the
entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through
everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one
have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about
windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks
about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new
computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the
book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons
is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several
lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly
about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone
bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also
like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that
to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
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CDX Labs
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Re: FW: [bhp] NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Does anyone know if the person reporting this issue has tried the visual studio add-on for nvda?

Development on this add-on has stagnated, but I believe 2010 is supported and it may do some good.

I don't program in visual basic, but I do use visual studio on a daily basis, and most of it works very well. I am using visual studio 2017 and that may make a huge difference. It's not super feasible to support 8 year old versions of software.  I think it's safe to say, jaws is heavily scripted for visual studio 2010.  I think it's also fair to say that Microsoft in-house concern over accessibility has taken many leaves forward in the past 8 years.  it certainly is not where it completely needs to be at this point, but I think you might get a lot more mileage out of upgrading if at all possible.

Best,

Erik

On November 26, 2018 8:41:24 PM "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi,

As Adriani noted, there are a couple of issues on GitHub which could be similar.  A couple of questions to follow up:

You said several different versions of NVDA - so this is not a new issue, it has been present for some time?  Did it used to work at one point, or has it always been a problem?

Does it cause an error or a crash, in either NVDA or Visual Studio, or make NVDA unresponsive - aside from not being able to read text in Visual Studio, if you say, alt+tab to another window does NVDA work?

If you could set NVDA's log level to "debug", then repeat the program with NVDA, and then email me a copy of your NVDA log to info@..., that would be very helpful please.

There is some info on our log files here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Kind regards

Quentin.

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I’m forwarding this e mail for someone’s behalf                                                                                              

                                                      

 

From: Raha Tehrani
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:30 AM
To: bhp
Subject: [bhp] NVDA

 

Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

take care.

 

 

 



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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
It shouldn’t be hard to do.
Well, and not for the purpose of being nasty or contrary, nothing could be further from the truth.

This is a particular instance where no matter what the accessibility workaround it is taking a medium meant to be accessed by sight, really only accessed by sight, that is a transcription of sound.  It is particularly and peculiarly unsuited to any methods currently known and the only thing I can think of would be if one could get a synthesizer to read the IPA graphemes as phonemes, one-by-one, and even that doesn't come close to connected speech.

I have said, on many occasions, that sometimes there is no substitute for sight and that all accessibility is a workaround which imposes specific limitations not posed by media being "consumed" in the sensory modality for which it was explicitly designed.
 
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Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Gene
 

Is the old OCR add-on installed and running?  If it is, disable it.  NVDA doesn't use that add-on for OCR.  I don't know if it could, but perhaps if you have the add-on running, it is causing the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable

no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:
> Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
> I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR
> functions.
> I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
> Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
> I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:
>
> Add-on Updater;
> Emoticons;
> Focus Highlight;
> TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
> Remote Support;
> TextNav;
> Windows 10 App Essentials;
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Audio Output

Ralph Boersema
 

Thanks! This did not work. However, I now have something more weird. By selecting the laptop speakers, NVDA ouputs through logitech headset (but it cuts off the initial letters of words ). Still more weird, it now sends the system sounds out through the speakers.

The headset is Logitech H820E,.

Warmly,
Ralph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda.
Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with.
Its mega weird.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same
kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output
switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the
headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find
are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to
the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the
laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph
Re: Audio Output

Ralph Boersema
 

Thanks! This has been done and the problem remains. The System sounds are output through the headset, as I want, but the NVDA output goes through the speakers, which I do not want. The synthesizer has been set to output through the headset, but it does not do so.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

 

Hello Ralph,

Did you have a look at the sound settings in the system tray?

If you press windwos+B, use the up arrow key to find the sound icon. It may say "speaker", or "headset".

If it says speakers, right click on it using the appropriate key stroke or shift+f10.

choose "open sound settings"

You will have a list of your sound devices.

Choose your headset and press enter.

Other idea, if your headset is a bluetooth device, do the same procedure to find the bluetooth icon in the system tray.

right click on it to display your bluetooth devices.

Try to disconnect your headset and connect it again.

More radically, uninstall your device and install it again.

That is all I can think of.

I hope you will find a way to solve your problem.

Best

Sylvie

Le 27/11/2018 à 03:44, Ralph Boersema a écrit :

I already did this and also already restarted the computer. The problem remains.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

 

Try closing and restarting NVDA.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 8:23 PM

Subject: [nvda] Audio Output

 

Dear Friends,

 

Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Warmly,

Ralph

Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

P. Otter
 

no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:

Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
Focus Highlight;
TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
Remote Support;
TextNav;
Windows 10 App Essentials;
OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
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Re: help items missing

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

Here is the log record for the following series of steps:

  1. Pressed alt+control+n to launch NVDA
  2. Pressed insert+n to open the NVDA menu
  3. Pressed down-arrow three times to reach the “Help” menu
  4. Pressed right-arrow to arrive at the User Guide
  5. Pressed enter to open the guide
  6. The guide failed to open and
  7. no response from NVDA but I was dropped out of the NVDA menus back to the Outlook screen.
  8. Repeated steps 2 to 5 with an extra down-arrow for the commands quick reference with the same result as item 7 above
  9. Repeated steps 2 to 5 and two extra down-arrows to What’s New with the same result as in item 7 above.
  10. Repeated steps 2 to 5 and three extra down-arrows to “NVDA “Web Site”
  11. Pressed the enter key and this time Firefox opened and I was placed on the correct web site.

 

When I look at the NVDA log of these steps below I see quite a significant run of errors. Unfortunately I cannot analyse it myself. Can you explain what the errors mean? Is there something I can do fix it?

 

I am puzzled to see that there is no record of the file path to either of the three Help files in the documentation/en/ folder.

Does the last line of the log reflect the successful opening of the NVDA Web Site?

 

Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (10:25:36.911):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.084):

Config dir: C:\Users\Cearbhall\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:25:37.084):

Loading config: C:\Users\Cearbhall\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.209):

NVDA version 2018.3.2

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.209):

Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.209):

Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.213):

Using comtypes version 1.1.3

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (10:25:37.285):

No touch devices found

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:25:37.480):

Loaded synthDriver eloquence

INFO - core.main (10:25:37.490):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:25:37.490):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:25:37.490):

Using liblouis version 3.6.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:25:37.490):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

WARNING - core.main (10:25:37.509):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:25:37.509):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (10:25:38.190):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (10:25:38.190):

No user gesture map

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (10:25:38.240):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (10:25:38.279):

No touch devices found

INFO - core.main (10:25:38.289):

NVDA initialized

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:25:48.148):

Loading config: C:\Users\Cearbhall\AppData\Roaming\nvda\profiles\emails.ini

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IA2Attributes (10:26:21.203):

IAccessibleObject.attributes COMError (-2147220995, 'Object is not connected to server', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:21.877):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:22.006):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:22.028):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:22.247):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:24.092):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:25.253):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:27.789):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:28.624):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:29.043):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:40.095):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:26:40.095):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (10:26:47.743):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing

 

Can you open those files from the documentation/en directory?  Windows does differentiate between local html files and online files (using the http protocol), so it could still be the file association for opening local html files (which would also explain why reinstalling NVDA doesn't fix it, since we don't try to set that association).

 

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:56 AM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Brian,

Thanks for keeping with this issue.
I found that the files are indeed present under various language folders within the NVDA directory on the C: drive. They do exist in the "en" folder which is the  folder I would expect NVDA to call when the language setting is set to "English".

I found that I had not actually selected English in the General settings of NVDA. I corrected this so that NVDA now expects English as the default language but still the three files are not being picked up by the Help menu in NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing

Well the only way I can make such files not display is to break the browsers linking, ie the browser gets launched but the file its asked to open is either corrupted in the command or missing so you get a blank browser window.
 I've tried several  portable and installed copies and cannot duplicate the effect here on windows 7 , so maybe something else broke. However if you can open some html files etc then it seems odd that the problem is so selective unless its a llanguage of the files or some other obscure issue where the characters are not correct to match the file names. Have you searched for the files manually on the machine?
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: "'Quentin Christensen'" <quentin@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing


Brian,

Logically, I would have agreed with you. But, I did remove NVDA completely
and then installed a fresh download of the whole NVDA package, installed it
and still the three files are missing!


Listed but failing to open (presumed Missing!):
* NVDA User Guide
* Commands quick Reference
* What's New

Present and functioning:
* NVDA Web Site
* Licence
* Contributors
* Welcome Dialog
* Check for Update
* About


Could someone tell me what the program file names for the three missing
items are? I could then check the NVDA folder and see if they are actually
present.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing

Have you tried a reinstall but keeping the settings? If its just files that
are missing and you know they were there in the first place, they have to be
in the installer, surely?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help items missing


Hi,



I was going to investigate the query on using the User manual when I
discovered that the User Manual command reference and what’s new items are
missing from my NVDA menu!

All the other items are present in the help menu.

I am using NVDA 2018.3.2 in Windows 10.



Any suggestions as to how to recover?



All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: Audio Output

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda. Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with. Its mega weird.
Brian

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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph
Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

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Actually though these do seem rather expensive, its not going to help them get cheaper if you deprive them of sales by encouraging people to pirate them. I'm not suggesting that you would, but your message can be read in that way, and so I thought I'd mention it as this list is run by people connected with NV Access they do have to be careful to make sure all users remain within the law.
Brian

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From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@juno.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.


Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around 150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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Re: Audio Output

Quentin Christensen
 

Is NVDA's sound output set to go to your NEW headphones?  You might have two sound devices - one for your old headphones and one for your new ones.  Press NVDA+CONTROL+S to open the synthesizer dialog, then press TAB to output device and ensure the correct device is set.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:23 PM Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Warmly,

Ralph



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Re: Audio Output

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Ralph,

Did you have a look at the sound settings in the system tray?

If you press windwos+B, use the up arrow key to find the sound icon. It may say "speaker", or "headset".

If it says speakers, right click on it using the appropriate key stroke or shift+f10.

choose "open sound settings"

You will have a list of your sound devices.

Choose your headset and press enter.

Other idea, if your headset is a bluetooth device, do the same procedure to find the bluetooth icon in the system tray.

right click on it to display your bluetooth devices.

Try to disconnect your headset and connect it again.

More radically, uninstall your device and install it again.

That is all I can think of.

I hope you will find a way to solve your problem.

Best

Sylvie

Le 27/11/2018 à 03:44, Ralph Boersema a écrit :

I already did this and also already restarted the computer. The problem remains.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

 

Try closing and restarting NVDA.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 8:23 PM

Subject: [nvda] Audio Output

 

Dear Friends,

 

Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Warmly,

Ralph

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