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Re: whatsapp desktop help

 

It can work on windows 7 yes. I'm not the person to ask though because I never could get it to work enough to where I could log in. I may give the windows client another shot. I used to use it through Miranda NG but the developer stopped developing the Miranda NG whatsapp protocol. Anyway, I hope someone can help.


Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Gaylen Kapperman
 

I agree wholeheartedly! That would be illegal and unethical!!
Gaylen Kapperman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hi,

If they do Email it you for free, it's illegal. Remember, the author does have to make a living.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: 26 November 2018 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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FW: [nvda-addons] Github and NVDA issues

 

Hi,

A valuable reminder, I think. Thanks.

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:22 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: info@...
Subject: [nvda-addons] Github and NVDA issues

 

Dear all,

 

after months of activity in this community I have discovered a lot of interesting discussions and opinions in Github when looking through several NVDA issues which are open since more than 5 years. And as most of you might already know, there are over 2250 issues open at this time. Unfortunately there are a lot of discussions which are not updated. There are a lot of issues which actually are solved or propably solved but are still open. Many people in this list created different issues related to NVDA on Github. But at the same time, many people did not care about those issues and they did not test if they still occur with last NVDA versions.

 

I would like to encourage you all who created issues on Github: please answer our questions on Github when we comment on your issues. If you are not using the old software that you created issues for, please take 10 minutes of your life and installt the last version and try to reproduce the issue again. Please comment on your issues and tell us if it is reproducible or not. I can talk at least for myself, I spend sometime hours to restart discussions on old issues or to try to get answers from involved people. But most of them do not react. This is indeed frustrating because in one or two years someone else will ask the same questions and in the end we will have far too much issues which are just noise or low quality.

 

This message is also for all developers who are or were involved in old issues. Please take some minutes and continue discussions or answer our questions when we try to decide how to deal with a certain issue. This helps us to decide if issues can be closed or not.

 

The issue page for NVDA on github is very overloaded and this makes it also very difficult to atribute certain pull requests to certain issues. Let us work together and transform the quantity of issues in quality. This will make it easier for developers to see where they can work for. For users, a better overview will lead to less duplicate issues and to less frustration.

 

 

Thank you very much for your attention.

 

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 


Re: Audio Output

Ralph Boersema
 

I think you're right. I understand that this would be a matter of how NVDA is handling them. So, what if I try uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA? How do I best approach this, so as to keep the same configurations, if possible?

Warmly,
Ralph

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

That cut off is a sound driver issue. Its been mentioned here before. I suspect you are suffering from the driver problems I seem to remember somebody saying that an add on that pretends to play a silent sound all the time fixes the unmute too late issues on these silly drivers.
As for the rest, well, I still suspect its drivers myself.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output


Thanks! This did not work. However, I now have something more weird. By
selecting the laptop speakers, NVDA ouputs through logitech headset (but it
cuts off the initial letters of words ). Still more weird, it now sends the
system sounds out through the speakers.

The headset is Logitech H820E,.

Warmly,
Ralph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is
to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then
restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd
reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda.
Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you
are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with.
Its mega weird.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same
kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output
switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the
headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find
are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to
the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the
laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph


Github and NVDA issues

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

after months of activity in this community I have discovered a lot of interesting discussions and opinions in Github when looking through several NVDA issues which are open since more than 5 years. And as most of you might already know, there are over 2250 issues open at this time. Unfortunately there are a lot of discussions which are not updated. There are a lot of issues which actually are solved or propably solved but are still open. Many people in this list created different issues related to NVDA on Github. But at the same time, many people did not care about those issues and they did not test if they still occur with last NVDA versions.

 

I would like to encourage you all who created issues on Github: please answer our questions on Github when we comment on your issues. If you are not using the old software that you created issues for, please take 10 minutes of your life and installt the last version and try to reproduce the issue again. Please comment on your issues and tell us if it is reproducible or not. I can talk at least for myself, I spend sometime hours to restart discussions on old issues or to try to get answers from involved people. But most of them do not react. This is indeed frustrating because in one or two years someone else will ask the same questions and in the end we will have far too much issues which are just noise or low quality.

 

This message is also for all developers who are or were involved in old issues. Please take some minutes and continue discussions or answer our questions when we try to decide how to deal with a certain issue. This helps us to decide if issues can be closed or not.

 

The issue page for NVDA on github is very overloaded and this makes it also very difficult to atribute certain pull requests to certain issues. Let us work together and transform the quantity of issues in quality. This will make it easier for developers to see where they can work for. For users, a better overview will lead to less duplicate issues and to less frustration.

 

 

Thank you very much for your attention.

 

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 


Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.


Re: Urgent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

Sorry all, that was intended as a private message and I missed the Private button again.

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Re: Urgent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

Enes,

           If there is any way I can help that won't result in either one of us wanting to kill the other don't hesitate to ask (or at least be willing to walk away without animus if we determine that "something simple" really wasn't).

           Unfortunately, I understand as entirely as I can as a sighted person what you've gotten yourself into.  I can remember taking my clinical phonetics class and watching many of my classmates struggle mightily with it, and that's when they could see the transcriptions and not even have to care about what the name of the characters used in the transcriptions were.  Letter by letter IPA reading could take weeks to get through a couple of sentences just due to the complicated character names.  Having to remember a long sequence of those afterward would have driven me crazy!
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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

John, you wrote, in part: "There's nothing about sight that makes you look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA."

Indeed, that is true.

You also wrote, "Now, maybe
it's harder because nobody bothered to name the IPA characters."

               Bingo, and the character names are just a mess.   I think that most speakers of English get that "shingle", spelled s h i n g l e, where each character has a single syllable name, much more easily than Esh, small capital I, n, lowercase script g, l

               I certainly never looked at the word shingle, phonetically transcribed, and ever thought about the characters in the way I do when reading text.  Perhaps I'm odd.  But I would no sooner condemn someone to work with phonetic transcription who's blind, and expect ease and proficiency, than I'd expect them to fly to the moon using their arms as propulsion.  And I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of sighted who never get the hang of the IPA, either.  And heaven forbid you're going to deal with phonetics across languages, some of which take forever [if ever] to retrain the ear to even hear (or the brain to process) when those are not linguistically significant sounds in your first language, then having to put those down on paper in the IPA!  Thanks, but no thanks.

               But, to each his or her own.  Some people like challenges that I'd sooner avoid.
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Re: FW: [bhp] NVDA

Raha Tehrani
 

Hi Erik.
it was me who reported the problem.
I have tried the addon but it didn't work either. you know, NVDA makes
out fine within the design area in VB. but as you press f7 and get
into text editing area. it thoroughly keeps quiet. as you arrow
around, it won't say anything at all. if your start writing, a piece
of code like: "dim op as char" then as you arrow around on what you
have just written, it won't say anything at all. as if it were
completely dumb. you can give it a try if you like.
unfortunately, the addon developped by Mohmad can't solve the problem.
I think the software's source code should be reviewed and redesigned.
take care.

On 11/27/18, erik burggraaf <erik@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if the person reporting this issue has tried the visual
studio add-on for nvda?

Development on this add-on has stagnated, but I believe 2010 is supported
and it may do some good.

I don't program in visual basic, but I do use visual studio on a daily
basis, and most of it works very well. I am using visual studio 2017 and
that may make a huge difference. It's not super feasible to support 8 year
old versions of software. I think it's safe to say, jaws is heavily
scripted for visual studio 2010. I think it's also fair to say that
Microsoft in-house concern over accessibility has taken many leaves forward

in the past 8 years. it certainly is not where it completely needs to be
at this point, but I think you might get a lot more mileage out of
upgrading if at all possible.

Best,

Erik


On November 26, 2018 8:41:24 PM "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Hi,

As Adriani noted, there are a couple of issues on GitHub which could be
similar. A couple of questions to follow up:

You said several different versions of NVDA - so this is not a new issue,
it has been present for some time? Did it used to work at one point, or
has it always been a problem?

Does it cause an error or a crash, in either NVDA or Visual Studio, or make
NVDA unresponsive - aside from not being able to read text in Visual
Studio, if you say, alt+tab to another window does NVDA work?

If you could set NVDA's log level to "debug", then repeat the program with
NVDA, and then email me a copy of your NVDA log to info@nvaccess.org, that
would be very helpful please.

There is some info on our log files here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Kind regards

Quentin.

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*From: *Raha Tehrani <raha.tehrani1362@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:30 AM
*To: *bhp <bhp@groups.io>
*Subject: *[bhp] NVDA



Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

take care.








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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

John Isige
 

That's not really true though. Take the IPA 'j', that has the sound of a
'y' at the beginning of words in English, like 'young'. Obviously I
picked an easy one that you can represent with the normal Latin
alphabet. But you basically go "this character here means what we call a
lateral spirant, which is this noise", in case anybody's wondering
that's the so-called double-l in Welsh, among other languages, e.g.
Navajo. So yes, it was developed by sighted people. But there's nothing
particularly sighted about it. I could just say 'cdj' represents the
final sound in the English word 'edge'. Put another way, everybody has
to learn it. There's nothing about sight that makes you look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA. Now, maybe
it's harder because nobody bothered to name the IPA characters. But
assuming for the moment that they all have some sort of name attached to
them, all you need to know is that currently unannounced character foo
means noise bar, and of course you need character foo to be announced as
character foo.

On 11/27/2018 8:32, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:

It shouldn’t be hard to do.

Well, and not for the purpose of being nasty or contrary, nothing
could be further from the truth.

This is a particular instance where no matter what the accessibility
workaround it is taking a medium meant to be accessed by sight, really
only accessed by sight, that is a transcription of sound.  It is
particularly and peculiarly unsuited to any methods currently known
and the only thing I can think of would be if one could get a
synthesizer to read the IPA graphemes as phonemes, one-by-one, and
even that doesn't come close to connected speech.

I have said, on many occasions, that sometimes there is no substitute
for sight and that all accessibility is a workaround which imposes
specific limitations not posed by media being "consumed" in the
sensory modality for which it was explicitly designed.

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need for illusion is deep./*

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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Sarah k Alawami
 

We got challenged to IPA the alphabet as in the sound for a would be in my case a diphthong as that's how I myself say it. And b would be 2 sounds etc. It's actually quite interesting and helped me with my german when I was singing good luck with nvda and IPA. I never used it in windows.

On 26 Nov 2018, at 19:56, enes sarıbaş wrote:

so Brian, you are one of the few people who know what I got myself into then.  I think I can write the morphology assignment with no phonetics. Moreover, as I will do my thesis on pragmatics, I will not use more phonetics for the rest of my master. But I want to eventually learn the alphabet, as I want to do a doctorate in linguistics.


On 11/27/2018 1:44 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:16 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
So the concept is then, trying to put sounds into a writable form for a person who cannot see it in the first place. This sounds a bit like some kind comedy sketch from an old goon show.
Precisely.

I also don't know how to explain that we who see and are examining material in the IPA are not trying to read it, but are really using it to "sound it out."

As you're also a Brian, you know what our shared name sounds like.  It would be written in IPA so that linguists, or non-native speakers of a given language, can sound out how we pronounce it.  No one ever reads it character by character using the actual IPA character name, but using the sound (AKA phoneme) that the character represents.

The list that John Isige presented is not comprehensive, either (and, John, that's not a swipe at you, it's just an observation).  A number of the common vowel digraphs of English are missing.

All of this takes me back to when I was studying speech and language pathology for my master's and put together a child-language checksheet for order of acquisition of various English phonemes, morphological markers, as well as interactional skills/communicative intents (among other things).

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

If they do Email it you for free, it's illegal. Remember, the author does have to make a living.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: 26 November 2018 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its not in his list, but the text nav is my best guess for the culprit It might be any though if a command key is defined that clashes with ocr..
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


Is the old OCR add-on installed and running? If it is, disable it. NVDA doesn't use that add-on for OCR. I don't know if it could, but perhaps if you have the add-on running, it is causing the problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: P. Otter
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:
Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR
functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
Focus Highlight;
TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
Remote Support;
TextNav;
Windows 10 App Essentials;






Re: OCR functions not works when addons is enable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think first I'd disable an add on one at a time as clearly it has to be one of them from the symptoms.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functions not works when addons is enable


no, it works in my situation correctly.
no difference if add-ons are enabled or disabled.
try to uninstall nvda, removethe map of nvda manually if necessary
then renew the installation of nvda.
and see if the problem is gone.
cheers
paul otter


Op 27-11-2018 om 12:07 schreef Robert Mendoza:
Hi, wondering noticed that OCR not working if all the addons is enabled.
I tested to disable all the addons and it works. to read the OCR functions.
I am currently using NVDA version 2018.4beta2
Does anyone noticed this? Thanks.
I list down all the addons that I installed to my NVDA for reference:

Add-on Updater;
Emoticons;
Focus Highlight;
TeamTalk Classic Fixes;
Remote Support;
TextNav;
Windows 10 App Essentials;






Re: Audio Output

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That cut off is a sound driver issue. Its been mentioned here before. I suspect you are suffering from the driver problems I seem to remember somebody saying that an add on that pretends to play a silent sound all the time fixes the unmute too late issues on these silly drivers.
As for the rest, well, I still suspect its drivers myself.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output


Thanks! This did not work. However, I now have something more weird. By selecting the laptop speakers, NVDA ouputs through logitech headset (but it cuts off the initial letters of words ). Still more weird, it now sends the system sounds out through the speakers.

The headset is Logitech H820E,.

Warmly,
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio Output

In my experience Windows 10 sound is a bit of a mess. All I can suggest is to alter the settings for nvda to the speakers, save the settings, then restart nvda and try to reselect the headphones. It could be for some odd reason that the new headphones are being held onto as the old ones by nvda.
Now do not ask me why the other sounds switched cos I'm as confused as you are but it worked for somebody elses machine I was having the problem with.
Its mega weird.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Output


Dear Friends,



Today I replaced my headset (Logitech H820E) with a new one of the same
kind. First it worked well. Then I restarted NVDA and the NVDA output
switched to the laptop speakers. The system sounds still output through the
headset, but NVDA does not. All the sound device settings that we could find
are correct. The NVDA setting under preferences for sound output is set to
the headphone as desired. Nevertheless the NVDA output comes through the
laptop speakers and not the headset. I am using Windows 10.



Any suggestions?



Warmly,

Ralph


Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

Ann Byrne
 

The NVAccess books cost far less, and although they are NVDA focused to a degree, the instruction in Office products is excellent and they include exercises to reinforce what is taught.

At 10:13 AM 11/27/2018, you wrote:
With access technology institute, you are definitely paying for a brand.
I've used them. It is an outstanding brand! it's not cheap, and I realize not everyone can afford it, but sometimes it's okay to charge what something is worth. Regardless of where the materials come from, a lot of time and effort go in to their preparation. the reason why you would pay high prices for these books is that if you've used the access technology institute for many years and you're used to the training style, then you would want to keep dealing with them. Otherwise, you may want to save money and go with the equally valuable materials that come directly from NV access for a lower price, the manual, online forums, and this email list as references.

You would hope that something comes back from ATI to envy access from the purchase of these textbooks, but I wouldn't count on it. At least, if you buy textbooks directly from envy access, you know you're supporting the product.

personally, I'm a little gratified that they cared enough to make the materials. Most business class organizations are still focused on Jaws despite the tremendous benefits of nvda.

I hope ATI sells a ton of their textbooks to businesses, rehabilitation agencies, and other groups who love paying a lot of money for ...stuff.


On November 26, 2018 4:53:10 PM "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@juno.com> wrote:

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind
of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it
is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA
screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the
entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through
everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one
have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about
windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks
about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new
computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the
book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons
is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several
lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly
about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone
bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also
like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that
to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
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Re: books about NVDA on the access technology institute website.

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

With access technology institute, you are definitely paying for a brand. I've used them. It is an outstanding brand! it's not cheap, and I realize not everyone can afford it, but sometimes it's okay to charge what something is worth. Regardless of where the materials come from, a lot of time and effort go in to their preparation. the reason why you would pay high prices for these books is that if you've used the access technology institute for many years and you're used to the training style, then you would want to keep dealing with them. Otherwise, you may want to save money and go with the equally valuable materials that come directly from NV access for a lower price, the manual, online forums, and this email list as references.

You would hope that something comes back from ATI to envy access from the purchase of these textbooks, but I wouldn't count on it. At least, if you buy textbooks directly from envy access, you know you're supporting the product.

personally, I'm a little gratified that they cared enough to make the materials. Most business class organizations are still focused on Jaws despite the tremendous benefits of nvda.

I hope ATI sells a ton of their textbooks to businesses, rehabilitation agencies, and other groups who love paying a lot of money for ...stuff.

On November 26, 2018 4:53:10 PM "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@juno.com> wrote:

Hello. I would like to buy the two books about NVDA but they are kind
of pricey maybe email them to me if you can on the blind.training or it
is called access technology institute website. One is about the NVDA
screen reader which goes for 95 dollars that mainly talks about the
entire screen reader guess from what I have read it walks you through
everything the only thing I don't know when it was written. Does any one
have a copy that could email it to me for free? The other one is about
windows 10 using nvda it sounds like it is a good book to get it talks
about the entire system but what I don't get is when you first get a new
computer that has windows 10 it does not have word installed and in the
book it mentions and walks you through windows 10 and one of the lessons
is managing and saving documents mentions word plus there are several
lessons about microsoft word. It is good but I just want a book mainly
about windows 10 minus the stuff about word. The book does cost around
150 dollars it sounds like a good resource was wondering has anyone
bought the books from the website and how good are they? I would also
like a copy of the book as well if anyone has that could they email that
to me? The books are an immersion in to NVDA

The other one is an immersion in to windows 10 with NVDA. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
How CBD Oil “Healed Her Pain” When Nothing Else Helped
CDX Labs
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5bfc6b0365c286b035e8cst04vuc


Re: FW: [bhp] NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Does anyone know if the person reporting this issue has tried the visual studio add-on for nvda?

Development on this add-on has stagnated, but I believe 2010 is supported and it may do some good.

I don't program in visual basic, but I do use visual studio on a daily basis, and most of it works very well. I am using visual studio 2017 and that may make a huge difference. It's not super feasible to support 8 year old versions of software.  I think it's safe to say, jaws is heavily scripted for visual studio 2010.  I think it's also fair to say that Microsoft in-house concern over accessibility has taken many leaves forward in the past 8 years.  it certainly is not where it completely needs to be at this point, but I think you might get a lot more mileage out of upgrading if at all possible.

Best,

Erik

On November 26, 2018 8:41:24 PM "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi,

As Adriani noted, there are a couple of issues on GitHub which could be similar.  A couple of questions to follow up:

You said several different versions of NVDA - so this is not a new issue, it has been present for some time?  Did it used to work at one point, or has it always been a problem?

Does it cause an error or a crash, in either NVDA or Visual Studio, or make NVDA unresponsive - aside from not being able to read text in Visual Studio, if you say, alt+tab to another window does NVDA work?

If you could set NVDA's log level to "debug", then repeat the program with NVDA, and then email me a copy of your NVDA log to info@..., that would be very helpful please.

There is some info on our log files here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 8:14 AM abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:

I’m forwarding this e mail for someone’s behalf                                                                                              

                                                      

 

From: Raha Tehrani
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:30 AM
To: bhp
Subject: [bhp] NVDA

 

Dear all.

as you all know, NVDA 2018.4 is on the way. at the moment, the

developers' version is available to check for probable problems.

there's a problem which I have seen with different versions of NVDA.

it won't say anything in Visual Basic in Microsoft visual studio. I

have tried it on Microsoft visual studio 2010. it's fine with the

design area. but it keeps being completely silent while the text

editor area is on the foreground. I have no account on Github. but if

you have one, please let them know about this very significant

problem, so that it can be fixed in the next release. it's kind of

important. because you can't simply edit what you write within the

text-editing environment. as a result, programming gets difficult on

visual basic in microsoft visual studio 2010, using NVDA. please do

tell the NVAccess team about this major problem. note: this is not the

case with JAWS. it's fine with VB in MS Visual Studio 2010. you can

easily move with design and text-editing area with jaws. therefore,

you can easily edit what you've written in the text editor

environment.

take care.

 

 

 



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
It shouldn’t be hard to do.
Well, and not for the purpose of being nasty or contrary, nothing could be further from the truth.

This is a particular instance where no matter what the accessibility workaround it is taking a medium meant to be accessed by sight, really only accessed by sight, that is a transcription of sound.  It is particularly and peculiarly unsuited to any methods currently known and the only thing I can think of would be if one could get a synthesizer to read the IPA graphemes as phonemes, one-by-one, and even that doesn't come close to connected speech.

I have said, on many occasions, that sometimes there is no substitute for sight and that all accessibility is a workaround which imposes specific limitations not posed by media being "consumed" in the sensory modality for which it was explicitly designed.
 
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