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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah my instructor worked with me to do the IPA stuff. He made sure I would pass the class with a fair grade. So yeah talk to them and see if there is anything you can do.

On 27 Nov 2018, at 17:24, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Aravind R
 

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On 11/28/18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Codex doesn't work for me, I've tried it, and it was able to convert a
whole 5 out of the hundred plus books I have with kindle.  See, this is
precisely why I can't stand proprietary formats.  If I cold download the
books in epub or something, it would be a trivial matter to find another
epub reader, or (as I do now), simply extract them, and read them in my
web browser, but no, every time Amazon, Kobo, Nook, or some other big
company who claims they know best breaks something, I'm stuck unable to
read my books on that platform until enough complaints come in to the
proper department that things finally get fixed (if ever).  Very
irritating.  I love my ebooks, and I have quite the collection, but I
absolutely hate proprietary formats, for exactly this reason. *growl*


On 11/27/2018 7:57 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually
read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the
only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the
book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I
convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra
steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to
have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you.
Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only
reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all
mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same
thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the
app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a
minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine
between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and
yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle
did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling
anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles,
but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I
use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major
show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app,
and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the
computer for convenience.










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Re: How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

Gene
 

By default, either insert key is used by NVDA as what is called the NVDA key.  The find command is defined as NVDA key control f.  Insert is the key you are using as the NVDA key.  The first thing we need to know is if the other person is using the insert key and if so, why it may not be working.  Is the person using a wireless keyboard?  That may have to do with the problem.  Also, what happens when the person issues the command insert n.  Does the NVDA menu come up?  If not, then either the insert key isn't working as it should when used with NVDA or the person isn't using the insert key.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

Hello, when using Control Home prior to issuing the command, that worked great for me. However, I have a colleague who uses a laptop keyboard for whom Control Insert F was not working. Is there a different sequence of keys to be used on a laptop keyboard?


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Sam Bushman
 

When screen reader mode is on pressing the nvda-t keys will tell you it's
on.
If it doesn't say it is on you need to turn it on. Can't remember how but
the manual for jate will tell you.
Thanks,
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to adjust
anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on after
the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily save
and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

Gene
 

Was the punctuation set to none? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

Hello, Someone who was testing our site with NVDA in Spanish was using eSpeak to test, and said that a phone number that was written in this format (111-111-1111) was reading the dashes as minus signs. However witht eh Vocalizer Expressive Voices (using JAWS), the phone number read our correctly. Could this be an issue of how the "-" symbol was typed in the HTML page? Or is this just a limitation of eSpeak? What can be done to get the number ead out properly?


Re: Outlook saying blank

Gene
 

You could use the speech dictionary to stop blank from ever being spoken but that isn't a good idea.  I know of no other way.  But why down arrow through an e-mail message instead of using speak to end?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook saying blank

Hi if I use my errow down to read a email it keeps saying blankBlank as I errow down
Is there a way of stopping this
Mark.




Re: NVDA and Jarte

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, there is a screen reader mode in the free version of jarte.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to adjust
anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on after
the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily save
and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, just launch it. It will detect a screen reader and do wht ever it needs to do.

Take care

On 27 Nov 2018, at 16:26, Don H wrote:

Is there any particular settings to make Jarte work weil with NVDA?


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Andy
 

To invoke screen reader mode in jarte, open Notepad and write the words enable screen reader mode, then copy this to the clipboard. Then run jarte and copy this into an open document. Then close Jarte and reopen it, and jarte will be in screen reader mode. This only needs to be done once.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte


I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to
adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on
after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily
save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave






Re: How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

bestuiexperience
 

Hello, when using Control Home prior to issuing the command, that worked great for me. However, I have a colleague who uses a laptop keyboard for whom Control Insert F was not working. Is there a different sequence of keys to be used on a laptop keyboard?


Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Codex doesn't work for me, I've tried it, and it was able to convert a whole 5 out of the hundred plus books I have with kindle.  See, this is precisely why I can't stand proprietary formats.  If I cold download the books in epub or something, it would be a trivial matter to find another epub reader, or (as I do now), simply extract them, and read them in my web browser, but no, every time Amazon, Kobo, Nook, or some other big company who claims they know best breaks something, I'm stuck unable to read my books on that platform until enough complaints come in to the proper department that things finally get fixed (if ever).  Very irritating.  I love my ebooks, and I have quite the collection, but I absolutely hate proprietary formats, for exactly this reason. *growl*

On 11/27/2018 7:57 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you. Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.





Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

bestuiexperience
 

Hello, Someone who was testing our site with NVDA in Spanish was using eSpeak to test, and said that a phone number that was written in this format (111-111-1111) was reading the dashes as minus signs. However witht eh Vocalizer Expressive Voices (using JAWS), the phone number read our correctly. Could this be an issue of how the "-" symbol was typed in the HTML page? Or is this just a limitation of eSpeak? What can be done to get the number ead out properly?


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 08:43 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi brian,  Also this NFB page you linked to
Just want to note that was not me, but Jonathan Cohn.  Credit where credit is due.
 
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Re: NVDA and Jarte

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to
adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on
after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily
save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi brian,

Also this NFB page you linked to, describes an associate professor in linguistics.

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm13/bm1302/bm130211.htm


On 11/28/2018 1:34 AM, enes sarıbaş via Groups.Io wrote:
hi brian,
I did my undergrad in language teaching, and was exempt from the transcriptions, only just pronouncing the sounds directly, which seemed fair. However, I feel this might not have been a good idea, as  I am currently doing a masters at Cambridge, and can't get much out of the phonological theory course,  as even the instructor acknowledges that some theories, such as autosegment, or geometric phonology are visual. I definitely don't want to skimp on the understanding of the phonological theories  as a potential professor,  I don't want to have defesits in my knowledge of linguistics in any field.
On 11/28/2018 1:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 




Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi brian,
I did my undergrad in language teaching, and was exempt from the transcriptions, only just pronouncing the sounds directly, which seemed fair. However, I feel this might not have been a good idea, as  I am currently doing a masters at Cambridge, and can't get much out of the phonological theory course,  as even the instructor acknowledges that some theories, such as autosegment, or geometric phonology are visual. I definitely don't want to skimp on the understanding of the phonological theories  as a potential professor,  I don't want to have defesits in my knowledge of linguistics in any field.

On 11/28/2018 1:24 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

 

If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Outlook saying blank

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi if I use my errow down to read a email it keeps saying blankBlank as I errow down
Is there a way of stopping this
Mark.


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

enes sarıbaş
 

hi Brian,,

So what do you recommend I do? I really like the field, and my research will likely not be primarily in phonetics. I also really want to get an advanced degree in linguistics.


On 11/27/2018 8:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
John, you wrote, in part: "There's nothing about sight that makes you look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA." Indeed, that is true. You also wrote, "Now, maybe it's harder because nobody bothered to name the IPA characters."

               Bingo, and the character names are just a mess.   I think that most speakers of English get that "shingle", spelled s h i n g l e, where each character has a single syllable name, much more easily than Esh, small capital I, n, lowercase script g, l

               I certainly never looked at the word shingle, phonetically transcribed, and ever thought about the characters in the way I do when reading text.  Perhaps I'm odd.  But I would no sooner condemn someone to work with phonetic transcription who's blind, and expect ease and proficiency, than I'd expect them to fly to the moon using their arms as propulsion.  And I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of sighted who never get the hang of the IPA, either.  And heaven forbid you're going to deal with phonetics across languages, some of which take forever [if ever] to retrain the ear to even hear (or the brain to process) when those are not linguistically significant sounds in your first language, then having to put those down on paper in the IPA!  Thanks, but no thanks.

               But, to each his or her own.  Some people like challenges that I'd sooner avoid.
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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Annette Moore
 

You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you. Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.