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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Annette Moore
 

Oh, bummer! I'm so sorry Codex doesn't work well for you. So far, it's converted almost everything I've attempted to convert with it. I have Epub as my default file type and it's worked great. The only file I couldn't get it to convert was a PDF file, but it was one of those graphic text things. As far as I can tell, you can't convert more than one file at a time, or I haven't been able to anyway.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 8:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Codex doesn't work for me, I've tried it, and it was able to convert a whole 5 out of the hundred plus books I have with kindle.  See, this is precisely why I can't stand proprietary formats.  If I cold download the books in epub or something, it would be a trivial matter to find another epub reader, or (as I do now), simply extract them, and read them in my web browser, but no, every time Amazon, Kobo, Nook, or some other big company who claims they know best breaks something, I'm stuck unable to read my books on that platform until enough complaints come in to the proper department that things finally get fixed (if ever).  Very irritating.  I love my ebooks, and I have quite the collection, but I absolutely hate proprietary formats, for exactly this reason. *growl*


On 11/27/2018 7:57 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you. Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.








Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

John Isige
 

Oh sure! You don't read it the same way at all. I'm just saying, you
should have characters, they should have names, so you get NVDA to read
out the names, probably if you go character by character because they'd
be a mess as words I'd think, and then you go through the same hell as
the sighted, associating each character with its sound. Other than
having a map of characters to names and having them read, there's really
nothing extra a blind person has to do over a sighted person. Besides
... how else are you going to learn about open and closed vowels in
Masai, I ask you?

On 11/27/2018 14:58, Brian Vogel wrote:
John, you wrote, in part: "There's nothing about sight that makes you
look at an 's'
with a mark under it and immediately go "ah yes, that's the 'sh' sound,
as in English 'ship"! You learn that when you learn the IPA."

Indeed, that is true.

You also wrote, "Now, maybe it's harder because nobody bothered to
name the IPA characters."

               Bingo, and the character names are just a mess.   I
think that most speakers of English get that "shingle", spelled s h i
n g l e, where each character has a single syllable name, much more
easily than Esh, small capital I, n, lowercase script g, l

               I certainly never looked at the word shingle,
phonetically transcribed, and ever thought about the characters in the
way I do when reading text.  Perhaps I'm odd.  But I would no sooner
condemn someone to work with phonetic transcription who's blind, and
expect ease and proficiency, than I'd expect them to fly to the moon
using their arms as propulsion.  And I'll be the first to admit that
there are plenty of sighted who never get the hang of the IPA,
either.  And heaven forbid you're going to deal with phonetics across
languages, some of which take forever [if ever] to retrain the ear to
even hear (or the brain to process) when those are not linguistically
significant sounds in your first language, then having to put those
down on paper in the IPA! Thanks, but no thanks.

               But, to each his or her own.  Some people like
challenges that I'd sooner avoid.
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Windows 10 version 1809?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

I'd heard this was released and there were some issues so it was pulled, then, I heard it was tested and sent out again. I looked and do not see that it is available for my husband and I in Windows Update. Was it in fact released and if so, does anyone know how we can force an install of it since it isn't showing up in Windows Update? We're currently using the latest stable release of NVDA and are running Windows 10 version 1803. We're using a Lenovo desk top computer if that makes a difference. We've had issues updating Windows in the past and that's why I'm asking here as we don't want to get too far behind if we can help it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Vlad Dragomir
 

Definitely. An alternative to naming them, would be describing them. I’m inventing one right now, as an example:

“x with dot above and horizontal line below”.

 

There’s nothing more sighted about this than the usual alphabet that we all know. The only difference is that there are much more letters; therefore, we need someone patient enough to go through all of them and give them either names or unique descriptions. Our screen readers either go through those symbols by being totally silent, or they read only the base-letter; not very helpful.

 

This might be difficult to understand for someone who never encountered IPA before, but it should be much easier to implement than, for example, music notation. I would never expect a screen reader to be able to read a musical score to me, although I do admit I would be more than happy to. On the other hand, IPA represents speech, like any other world alphabet. Therefore, I still can’t see where the big problem is.

 

A very good day to you all!

 

Vlad.


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I didn't have to do that either. When I opened jarte, it was already in
screen reader mode.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I didn't have to do that. I just installed jarte free, then ran it,and
screen reader mode was enabled. This was as of January when I had to
reinstall windows.

On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:51, Andy wrote:

To invoke screen reader mode in jarte, open Notepad and write the
words enable screen reader mode, then copy this to the clipboard.
Then run jarte and copy this into an open document. Then close Jarte
and reopen it, and jarte will be in screen reader mode. This only
needs to be done once.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte


I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to
adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on
after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily
save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave








Re: Outlook saying blank

Quentin Christensen
 

Is it not reading text that is there, or do you mean there are blank lines in the email you are reading?

If it's just that there are blank lines in the email, pressing NVDA+down arrow (or in laptop layout press NVDA+a) asks NVDA to read from the current point onwards and it will then read the text without all the blank lines.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:19 PM Mark <mark@...> wrote:
Hi if I use my errow down to read a email it keeps saying blankBlank as I errow down
Is there a way of stopping this
Mark.






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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

I use the Kendal for PC for about a year now, and so far it has worked
well enough to purchase and read about 18 Books.

I have bought two books that can not be read by using NVDA. Instead,
AI need to use a Built in voice to the Kendal, which is not nearly as
good, and re-reading something can be a challenge.

I do find the Kendal program to be very inconsistent, meaning it works
well one session, then the next it works, but I need to fuss with it a
bit to even get back to where I left off from the last time it was used.

I have also taken a Kendal book and reformatted it into a MS Word, or
RTF file. This can't be done with all Kendal Book files, but I have
converted two books of the 18.



Speaking of the odd quirks-

Sometimes I have to pull down the FILE menu, and close the old Book.
And then Tab around till I come to my list of Books avilable. I can
Arrow up or down to find the right book, and pressing Enter will usually
start reading that book at the last point read.

If this Reader can read more than one Book at a time, I have not figured
out how to do this yet.

Grumpy Dave


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Sarah k Alawami
 

I didn't have to do that. I just installed jarte free, then ran it,and screen reader mode was enabled. This was as of January when I had to reinstall windows.

On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:51, Andy wrote:

To invoke screen reader mode in jarte, open Notepad and write the words enable screen reader mode, then copy this to the clipboard.
Then run jarte and copy this into an open document. Then close Jarte and reopen it, and jarte will be in screen reader mode. This only needs to be done once.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" dlh007@... To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: ergent help needed with phonetic transcriptions

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah my instructor worked with me to do the IPA stuff. He made sure I would pass the class with a fair grade. So yeah talk to them and see if there is anything you can do.

On 27 Nov 2018, at 17:24, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you want my serious recommendation it would be to have a sit-down with your department head, and any other faculty in your program, and ask them their opinion as to a path through a linguistics degree, particularly an advanced one, without phonetic transcription being a big part of it.

I have to believe there is a path through, though I would imagine it would involve a specifically designed undergraduate path as well as a clear idea as to what your graduate focus will be and that it not involve phonetics (transcription directly, not an understanding of, which of course you'll have).

They are in a far better place to give you informed opinion, and the direct assistance with program design that you'll need, than I can.  There's nothing wrong with reasonable accommodations in academic pursuit, particularly if your desired area of specialty does not rely on an area of study that's not essential to it in any meaningful sense.
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Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Aravind R
 

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On 11/28/18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Codex doesn't work for me, I've tried it, and it was able to convert a
whole 5 out of the hundred plus books I have with kindle.  See, this is
precisely why I can't stand proprietary formats.  If I cold download the
books in epub or something, it would be a trivial matter to find another
epub reader, or (as I do now), simply extract them, and read them in my
web browser, but no, every time Amazon, Kobo, Nook, or some other big
company who claims they know best breaks something, I'm stuck unable to
read my books on that platform until enough complaints come in to the
proper department that things finally get fixed (if ever).  Very
irritating.  I love my ebooks, and I have quite the collection, but I
absolutely hate proprietary formats, for exactly this reason. *growl*


On 11/27/2018 7:57 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually
read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the
only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the
book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I
convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra
steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to
have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you.
Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only
reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all
mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same
thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the
app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a
minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine
between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and
yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle
did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling
anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles,
but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I
use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major
show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app,
and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the
computer for convenience.










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Re: How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

Gene
 

By default, either insert key is used by NVDA as what is called the NVDA key.  The find command is defined as NVDA key control f.  Insert is the key you are using as the NVDA key.  The first thing we need to know is if the other person is using the insert key and if so, why it may not be working.  Is the person using a wireless keyboard?  That may have to do with the problem.  Also, what happens when the person issues the command insert n.  Does the NVDA menu come up?  If not, then either the insert key isn't working as it should when used with NVDA or the person isn't using the insert key.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

Hello, when using Control Home prior to issuing the command, that worked great for me. However, I have a colleague who uses a laptop keyboard for whom Control Insert F was not working. Is there a different sequence of keys to be used on a laptop keyboard?


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Sam Bushman
 

When screen reader mode is on pressing the nvda-t keys will tell you it's
on.
If it doesn't say it is on you need to turn it on. Can't remember how but
the manual for jate will tell you.
Thanks,
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to adjust
anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on after
the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily save
and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

Gene
 

Was the punctuation set to none? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

Hello, Someone who was testing our site with NVDA in Spanish was using eSpeak to test, and said that a phone number that was written in this format (111-111-1111) was reading the dashes as minus signs. However witht eh Vocalizer Expressive Voices (using JAWS), the phone number read our correctly. Could this be an issue of how the "-" symbol was typed in the HTML page? Or is this just a limitation of eSpeak? What can be done to get the number ead out properly?


Re: Outlook saying blank

Gene
 

You could use the speech dictionary to stop blank from ever being spoken but that isn't a good idea.  I know of no other way.  But why down arrow through an e-mail message instead of using speak to end?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook saying blank

Hi if I use my errow down to read a email it keeps saying blankBlank as I errow down
Is there a way of stopping this
Mark.




Re: NVDA and Jarte

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, there is a screen reader mode in the free version of jarte.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte

I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to adjust
anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on after
the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily save
and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, just launch it. It will detect a screen reader and do wht ever it needs to do.

Take care

On 27 Nov 2018, at 16:26, Don H wrote:

Is there any particular settings to make Jarte work weil with NVDA?


Re: NVDA and Jarte

Andy
 

To invoke screen reader mode in jarte, open Notepad and write the words enable screen reader mode, then copy this to the clipboard. Then run jarte and copy this into an open document. Then close Jarte and reopen it, and jarte will be in screen reader mode. This only needs to be done once.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jarte


I use the Purchased edition of Jarte', and I don't believe I had to
adjust anything inside of Jarte' or NVDA.

There may be a Screen Reader mode, but I think it switches itself on
after the second running of jarte'.

Jarte' is a great small Word Processor. I only wish we could easily
save and Read files in a later MS Word Format.

Grumpy Dave






Re: How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

bestuiexperience
 

Hello, when using Control Home prior to issuing the command, that worked great for me. However, I have a colleague who uses a laptop keyboard for whom Control Insert F was not working. Is there a different sequence of keys to be used on a laptop keyboard?


Re: Is anyone having trouble with the kindel reading app?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Codex doesn't work for me, I've tried it, and it was able to convert a whole 5 out of the hundred plus books I have with kindle.  See, this is precisely why I can't stand proprietary formats.  If I cold download the books in epub or something, it would be a trivial matter to find another epub reader, or (as I do now), simply extract them, and read them in my web browser, but no, every time Amazon, Kobo, Nook, or some other big company who claims they know best breaks something, I'm stuck unable to read my books on that platform until enough complaints come in to the proper department that things finally get fixed (if ever).  Very irritating.  I love my ebooks, and I have quite the collection, but I absolutely hate proprietary formats, for exactly this reason. *growl*

On 11/27/2018 7:57 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
You could always use QRead. I've only used Kindle for PC to actually read a book once or twice, and that was before I purchased QRead. the only thing I do now with Kindle for PC is to open the program so the book can be downloaded or recognized there or whatever it does, then I convert the book with a program called Codex. It's a couple of extra steps, but it works. that's annoying, though, I know, for a program to have worked properly one day, and the next for it to just flop on you. Hope you can find some answers and a resolution.

Annette

On 11/27/2018 3:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yesterday, the kindle app suddenly became nearly unusable.  It only reads a paragraph or so at a time before going busy when in read all mode, and if I try reading line by line with the arrow keys, the same thing happens, only at random intervals, and although eventually, the app does begin responding again, sometimes, it takes more than a minute to do so.  Absolutely nothing has changed on my machine between the day before yesterday when it worked just fine, and yesterday when it started behaving like this.  I'm guessing kindle did an update (as it tends to do from time to time without telling anyone it's going to do so), and that's the cause of the troubles, but I'd be curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem.  I use kindle unlimited to read a lot of my books, so this is a major show stopper for me.  I can of course use the IOS version of the app, and read the books that way, but sometimes I just want to use the computer for convenience.





Reading Phone Numbers in Spanish

bestuiexperience
 

Hello, Someone who was testing our site with NVDA in Spanish was using eSpeak to test, and said that a phone number that was written in this format (111-111-1111) was reading the dashes as minus signs. However witht eh Vocalizer Expressive Voices (using JAWS), the phone number read our correctly. Could this be an issue of how the "-" symbol was typed in the HTML page? Or is this just a limitation of eSpeak? What can be done to get the number ead out properly?