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Re: Another problem.

MAX <max@...>
 

I found superantispyware and downloaded the free version but I think it didn't install automatically. I can't find the file in my downloads folder. Do you know what it is called?


73 (Regards).

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

Well for example Ccleaner portable seems to be able to put up a pane randomly now advertising itself as on special offer. Looking at the .ini file you need to stop any vestiges of it running at start up. You only need to have run it once and it will insert itself silently, but as I say it can be disabled.
I do not blame companies for doing this but the problem for us is often that the splash screens are apparently blank being mainly pictures.
Its by no means the only bit of software I've found like this.

I'm still wondering though what your original issue was with apparently missing files or the display of them on his machine.
I notice that superantispyware the free version is now able to spot things inserting themselves as 'invisible' start up items, and stop them from doing it. Its a lot easier than using autoruns to look for strings in the start up registry entries.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


That's more evidence supporting the possibility of adware. I don't know if
ad blockers block ads from adware but I think you should investigate
further. Other list members will likely discuss other programs to run to
see if you have adware. I haven't used enough to discuss the subject much.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: MAX
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


Thank you Brian.



I now have it installed, I think, and time will tell if it is and it works.
I get ads when I click on a link in an email message. So I’ll have to wait
for one to test it.





73 (Regards).



Max K 4 O D S.



I've Never Lost the Wonder.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.



Get an ad blocker extension. My preferred one is uBlock Origin.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.

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Re: Another problem.

MAX <max@...>
 

I have the full professional version of Malware bytes.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

Max, have you tried malwarebytes?

On 11/29/2018 7:55 AM, MAX wrote:
Just after I send this message I opened chrome and a pop up appeared
on my favorites file. �So much for that pop up blocker.

73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*MAX
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:44 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.

No I haven�t seen popups on my favorites file.� I had to go to an
internet site before it happened.

73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.

If you see popups on that page, unless you have Chrome set in some way
I am unfamiliar with, I'd say that's almost definite evidence of malware.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:19 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Another problem.

My home page is a file on my own computer that is my favorites.� I
originally did it with MS internet explorer.� It has an export
function.� If newer browsers have that function you can export your
favorites to a file and then make that your home page.� I have kept
MS IE on my desktop so I can update that file.� Edge, Chrome, and
Firefox can read it.� As far as I know they can�t wright it.

73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.

You said once before that that is the only browser that happens in.
What home page are you using?� Do you have Chrome to only show the
home page or to show other pages?

Also, you didn't say whether you see popups on other sites that you
don't see when using other browsers.� I suspect Chrome has some sort
of adware.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:09 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Another problem.

I�m running Malware Bytes and I am not signed into Google.

73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:38 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.

Are you signed into Chrome?� I don't know if that makes a difference.
I'm not signed in to Chrome with the Chrome browser and I get no ads.
Also, I'm suspicious that that is adware.� Are you running any sort
of antimalware programs?

Gene

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*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:08 PM

*To:*NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Another problem.

Switching to Google chrome solved my problem with the help file but I
am now getting pop up ads whenever chrome opens.� Is there any way
to turn them off?


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Re: Another problem.

Brice Mijares
 

Max, have you tried malwarebytes?

On 11/29/2018 7:55 AM, MAX wrote:
Just after I send this message I opened chrome and a pop up appeared on my favorites file. �So much for that pop up blocker.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *MAX
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:44 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.
No I haven�t seen popups on my favorites file.� I had to go to an internet site before it happened.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.
If you see popups on that page, unless you have Chrome set in some way I am unfamiliar with, I'd say that's almost definite evidence of malware.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>
*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:19 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Another problem.
My home page is a file on my own computer that is my favorites.� I originally did it with MS internet explorer.� It has an export function.� If newer browsers have that function you can export your favorites to a file and then make that your home page.� I have kept MS IE on my desktop so I can update that file.� Edge, Chrome, and Firefox can read it.� As far as I know they can�t wright it.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.
You said once before that that is the only browser that happens in. What home page are you using?� Do you have Chrome to only show the home page or to show other pages?
Also, you didn't say whether you see popups on other sites that you don't see when using other browsers.� I suspect Chrome has some sort of adware.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>
*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Another problem.
I�m running Malware Bytes and I am not signed into Google.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:38 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.
Are you signed into Chrome?� I don't know if that makes a difference. I'm not signed in to Chrome with the Chrome browser and I get no ads. Also, I'm suspicious that that is adware.� Are you running any sort of antimalware programs?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*MAX <mailto:max@...>
*Sent:*Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:08 PM
*To:*NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] Another problem.
Switching to Google chrome solved my problem with the help file but I am
now getting pop up ads whenever chrome opens.� Is there any way to turn
them off?
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Re: Adding additional language to nvda

 

Just for the sake of clarity (at least for me), is the request for Sanskrit support in NVDA aimed at :

1.  Reading of materials written in Sanskrit.
2.  Having NVDA controls, dialogs, etc., translated to Sanskrit
3.  Both?

My interpretation of the original request, based on how it is worded, was #1 and only #1.   The extent of what's being asked for has a huge impact on how long it would take to implement, or even whether implementation is practical, in the foreseeable future.

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Re: Adding additional language to nvda

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Narayan,

Just to add to what Joseph has already said, there are basically two elements to getting NVDA in a new language:

1.      NVDA itself: for example, its menus, dialog boxes, error messages and so on. These all need to be translated into Sanskrit.

2.     NVDA's voice, or accent if you prefer: this is called a speech synthesizer. The speech synthesizer that ships with NVDA is called ESpeak and can speak many different languages, but it may not be able to speak Sanskrit. Therefore, although you might find all the error messages are correctly written in the Sanskrit language, ESpeak will try and speak them in an English accent, which could cause all sorts of pronunciation problems. This is for the ESpeak team to solve, not NVDA. However, in the meantime, an alternative speech synthesizer that does speak Sanskrit could be researched and a driver created for it.

One more point – could you please confirm whether Sanskrit is written left-to-right or right-to-left? English is written left-to-right. I don't know how well NVDA copes with right-to-left languages and it may be a more complicated matter than simply re-writing all the messages. Someone who has extensive knowledge of both right-to-left languages and technology would be better placed to deal with this particular issue more thoroughly.

Best wishes,

Matthew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Narayan
Sent: 29 November 2018 04:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Adding additional language to nvda

 

Hi friends, I want to tell something about sanskrit language in this group. sanskrit is very popular and ancient language. it has very good pronouncing rules. its grammar is also very good and systematic in the old. my question is, how can i recommend to nvda developer team to add sanskrit language to NVDA screen reader? can anyone help me to achieve this job? any help would be gladly appreciated. thank you.

 

--

Shree

 

 

 


Re: Another problem.

MAX <max@...>
 

Just after I send this message I opened chrome and a pop up appeared on my favorites file.  So much for that pop up blocker.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

No I haven’t seen popups on my favorites file.  I had to go to an internet site before it happened.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

If you see popups on that page, unless you have Chrome set in some way I am unfamiliar with, I'd say that's almost definite evidence of malware.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

My home page is a file on my own computer that is my favorites.  I originally did it with MS internet explorer.  It has an export function.  If newer browsers have that function you can export your favorites to a file and then make that your home page.  I have kept MS IE on my desktop so I can update that file.  Edge, Chrome, and Firefox can read it.  As far as I know they can’t wright it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

You said once before that that is the only browser that happens in.  What home page are you using?  Do you have Chrome to only show the home page or to show other pages? 

 

Also, you didn't say whether you see popups on other sites that you don't see when using other browsers.  I suspect Chrome has some sort of adware. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

I’m running Malware Bytes and I am not signed into Google.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

Are you signed into Chrome?  I don't know if that makes a difference.  I'm not signed in to Chrome with the Chrome browser and I get no ads.  Also, I'm suspicious that that is adware.  Are you running any sort of antimalware programs? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:08 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] Another problem.

 

Switching to Google chrome solved my problem with the help file but I am
now getting pop up ads whenever chrome opens.  Is there any way to turn
them off?


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Re: Outlook 2016

kelby carlson
 

My personal laptop and my work tablet are both running Windows 10; I'm not sure if the builds are the same. I also have a work desktop computer which I am still setting up. When i used outlook on that computer just now, there was no sluggishness or unresponsiveness there either. So clearly it is a problem with the computer. I suppose it could be an NVDA problem, but the program was just installed last week and the settings I use are identical including ad-ons. So I guess this will be for my IT to figure out.


Re: Outlook 2016

 

Kelby,

           The behavior differences you've observed give a clear indication that the issue is specific to your work machine and that either NVDA, Office, or some setting is at play.  Since uninstalling and reinstalling both NVDA and MS-Office are very easy to do (or should be for your IT folks) that's the first thing I'd try.  Do one or the other first, see if that clears things up, then do the other if the first didn't get the hoped for result.

           Also, since you haven't mentioned it, are both machines running the same Windows release (e.g., 7, 8.1, 10) and, if Windows 10, the same version and build?
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Re: Outlook 2016

kelby carlson
 

I have been doing some further experimenting, and it looks like the dlowness is primarily on my work computer and not on my personal computer. I'm not sure why this would be. I am trying to look for possible accessibility settings to change. The essential problem is this: When I arrow through things like email NVDA will read me the first option or two, but will then pretty much stop responding in any way unless I tab into another app.


Re: NVDA and MS office

Don H
 

For those wanting to upgrade their Microsoft office I was able to get office home and student 2016 for $60.


Re: NVDA and MS office

molly the blind tech lover
 

hi. i have microsoft office 2016 and i also use it with NVDA. i love it so much 😀


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:01 PM Don H <lmddh50@... wrote:
        Having just upgraded from microsoft office 2003 to microsoft office
2016 I find NVDA much more responsive.





Re: i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA on the windows log on screen

molly the blind tech lover
 

hi. when i turn on the tablet i always attach the keyboard first. it's actually hard for me to use the touchscreen with NVDA. so i always attach the keyboard.


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It normally should. However if its purely touch screen, actually invoking
the keystroke to action the password entered can sometimes now  be obvious.
To be honest  I always suggest  use of a keyboard. Trying to ise Windows
purely on a touch screen is a short cut to the funny farm!
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cohn, Jonathan" <jcohn@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA
on the windows log on screen


> Hello Molly and welcome to the NVDA list,
>
> This might depend on your actual startup options. When full disk
> encryption is enabled on a computer, then the operating system is not
> fully running when the user name is being prompted for. I am more familiar
> with this on Macintosh computers, but I expect the same could be happening
> on Windows. So, even though a sighted person sees a login screen, not all
> the features available in the OS can be accessed until the startup disk
> key is enabled.
>
> To test this, try logging out of your system and seeing if NVDA then
> prompts you for login credentials.
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
> blind tech lover
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA on
> the windows log on screen
> Importance: Low
>
>
> hey guys, my name is molly and this is my first time posting here. so i
> apologize if i type in the wrong email address and this message ends up
> somewhere else.
> anyway, i have been using NVDA for 2 years and love it. i seem to be
> having a strange issue with NVDA not starting at the log on screen even
> though i've set NVDA to start at the log on screen. on my newly purchased
> surface laptop, i have NVDA set to start at the log on screen, where i
> need to enter my pin. i turn on the machine, and i have speech on the log
> on screen, asking me to sign in. but when i enter my pin, all i hear is it
> saying * * * the screen doesn't unlock. i also don't hear speech when i
> swipe around on the touchscreen. this indicates that the log on screen is
> loading before NVDA is, i end up having to use Narrator to log on. this is
> strange. do you guys have any ideas as to why this is happening? any
> suggestions would be most appreciated.
> cheers
> molly
>
>
>
>
>





Re: knfb reader

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

I'm human too, Isaac, and that's what I really like about myself - and, therefore, about you too!!! lol


I hope KNFB gets fixed, by the way.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 29/11/2018 07:16, Isaac ha scritto:
Yep, I am human and sent it to the wrong list, sorry about that!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb reader


Brian,


I suppose that's because KNFB Reader doesn't work in Android Pie, and he's asking whether there's af ix.


Probably sent the question to the wrong group.

It happens if you're human... ROFL!


Ciao,

Ollie



Il 28/11/2018 16:47, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
OK I give up what has this to do with knfb reader or nvda?
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] knfb reader


Hi, is there a fix coming for android pie?










Re: Another problem.

Ian Blackburn
 

Also thank you for that message

On 29 Nov 2018, at 3:10 pm, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi Dave,


I don't know you by any means, but boy, you would make such a fantastic role model to many. Getting out there and getting stuff done despite the jibes you took from others. Now that's courage. And look where you are now.


Thank you for that incredible story. Not a bit of sarcasm meant here - that was truly inspiring.


Making yourself more productive for a company, even if it is of slight cost to you starting out, is such a worthwhile investment. Waiting for government or the company to buy you something is a ticking time bomb that usually ends in nothing happening and by the time it does, oh sorry, this is no longer supported anyway.


On 2018-11-29 1:04 a.m., Dave wrote:
Hi Steve,

If you can afford it, and it won't start World war 9 their in your Home,
I would buy what you need to do the job.

Even if you don't stay with this job, you will have the same equipment
for another, and you will have come up to speed with it too.

Of course, I give this Council only if you can afford it, and it isn't
going to be resented either by you, or your wife later.

Look at it as an investment, and if you choose to use the new I-Pad, you
will learn something, and you can use that knowledge on the next job.

Waiting for the Company to get you something, or worse, the State
Government, you might get something before you are 75 years old, and
then again, maybe not.

I accidentally learned a lesson while working at this Pathetic Sweat
Shop.

The Company provided our tools and our Safety Glasses. The tools were
old, worn out, and caused us to be slower in the long run.

I was with a buddy, at a Tool Store. He happened to see the same tool as
we used on the Job. The exact same thing. I asked him how much it was
and it was $10. And it came with some attachments I did not know
existed.

So, I bought it.

Took it to work, and having that new tool, made such a difference in my
quality of work. I was thrilled! So much so, that I spent another $50
to $70 on buying all new tools for my job, plus a new pair of Safety
Glasses.

My word, you should have heard the other guys giving me grief for buying
all new tools. They thought I was the Biggest fool on Earth. And boy
did they let me know about it. They told me I was a Fool, and that they
would never buy tools the Company should provide.

I didn't care. I like new tools, and I didn't mind buying new tools for
myself. And it was such a difference to work with good tools over the
old worn out ones. A Night and Day experience.

And what really showed me I had done the right thing for myself, was
that my quality of work rose, and the energy spent doing the better work
was less. I was no longer fighting my old tools, and even my new Safety
Glasses fit and did not dig into my nose or ears.

I used those tools for another year and a half, until I moved on to my
Software Job. Where the tools became a Lot more expensive, but here
again, I found it was worth it to buy the right equipment to give me the
best chance of doing the best job possible. Let's not forget, I was the
Blind guy, working with all those Sighted folks, and my work had to be
at least as good as theirs if not better.

I don't have a lot of personal Vices. I don't Smoke, or Drink. I like
to Eat, but at the end of the Month, I always had extra to put into the
Bank.

So, if three years down the road, I found I needed to replace a Computer,
I could, and I could buy which ever computer I wanted. So if I wanted a
Race Horse with tons of Memory, I could, and sometimes did.

And yes, this too was resented by some, but I didn't let it bother me.

It is funny, some will put hours and hours into complaining about a poor
selection of tools. And yet, they won't go and buy their own.

Not saying they should, or be forced to by their own tools, but if your
not happy with the gear you've been assigned, then the alternative is to
zip your lip and do the best you can, or unzip your own wallet, and be
able to get some good quality work done.


As it turned out, I ended up with purchasing a total of four or five
Computers to do the jobs I was asked to do. I had one system dedicated
as my Secretary only. If I had to jot down a note, or zip an Email to
someone, or go On Line to find some info, this was my Secretary Machine.
And it was Fast, as were all the others.

Par of my job was to Test the newest version of the Companies Software.
This testing needed to be done with all the various Microsoft Operating
Systems found in our Customer base at the time.

One of my Systems was one that I could shut it down, remove this Drawer,
which held the HD, grab another Drawer with a different HD, and a
Different Operating System, shove it in the System, and fire it up.
When it came up, I was running a different OS, and all my Screen Reader
Software was already installed on all of the extra Drives.

It was Great. And I had made myself Valuable to the Company. If they
needed a test done, I would get the call. Hey Dave, could you run
version 4.3 in Windows 8.1, and tell us if we have fixed the problem
they were trying to fix?

And when I had those times I needed a bit of extra sighted help, guess
what, those guys in my work group were cheerfully willing to give me a
hand.

I made sure to not abuse their willingness to help. And I made sure I
did not get all Puffed Up about my Computers being able to run circles
around my co-workers gear.

When I could, I would let the other guys use my stuff when I was at
lunch, or sometimes even when it was during work time.

I won't say I bought my way into that Company, but I was one of the very
last ones to get the Ax, when it came time for Cuts. And I was one of
the first to get called back when they could put me back on.


If you buy the I-Pad, make the best of it. Learn it well.

the better you know something, the better it is for you and your
co-workers. Don't be surprised if they start calling you when they have
their own How To do soemthing questions.

<Slight laugh> Well, there's my $1.50 worth

Grumpy Dave




A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

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In Windows 7, sometimes in the tray icons is one saying you have one message, basically some kind of problem report. I seldom seem to notice it till then, so one might be forgiven for thinking that invoking the context menu and selecting the open for the centre might just give a clue to what it is.
However normally this opens a screen with things like troubleshooting, security, maintenance etc, and seems to have no obvious way to simply view that message.
Am I missing something obvious?
So if there is a quick way to just get to that message wherever it is and read it it would be great. It normally tends to be something like Backup issues or some odd crash of explorer or some such, but one can never find the actual text until you accidentally resolve it by guesswork and then you can see it in the old archive. Its a bit pointless then!

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Re: i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA on the windows log on screen

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It normally should. However if its purely touch screen, actually invoking the keystroke to action the password entered can sometimes now be obvious. To be honest I always suggest use of a keyboard. Trying to ise Windows purely on a touch screen is a short cut to the funny farm!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cohn, Jonathan" <jcohn@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA on the windows log on screen


Hello Molly and welcome to the NVDA list,

This might depend on your actual startup options. When full disk encryption is enabled on a computer, then the operating system is not fully running when the user name is being prompted for. I am more familiar with this on Macintosh computers, but I expect the same could be happening on Windows. So, even though a sighted person sees a login screen, not all the features available in the OS can be accessed until the startup disk key is enabled.

To test this, try logging out of your system and seeing if NVDA then prompts you for login credentials.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] i'm new to this list and have a strange issue with NVDA on the windows log on screen
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hey guys, my name is molly and this is my first time posting here. so i apologize if i type in the wrong email address and this message ends up somewhere else.
anyway, i have been using NVDA for 2 years and love it. i seem to be having a strange issue with NVDA not starting at the log on screen even though i've set NVDA to start at the log on screen. on my newly purchased surface laptop, i have NVDA set to start at the log on screen, where i need to enter my pin. i turn on the machine, and i have speech on the log on screen, asking me to sign in. but when i enter my pin, all i hear is it saying * * * the screen doesn't unlock. i also don't hear speech when i swipe around on the touchscreen. this indicates that the log on screen is loading before NVDA is, i end up having to use Narrator to log on. this is strange. do you guys have any ideas as to why this is happening? any suggestions would be most appreciated.
cheers
molly




Re: Another problem.

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One common add in that has become a pest is the ask toolbar, as it is a kind of go between, IE everything you do is sent to them and adverts inserted back to you. Like many originally useful ideas, its become so associated with rubbish adverts that its virtually useless. Indeed sometimes it is installed without asking and has no removal system other than using an anti malware program.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


You said once before that that is the only browser that happens in. What home page are you using? Do you have Chrome to only show the home page or to show other pages?

Also, you didn't say whether you see popups on other sites that you don't see when using other browsers. I suspect Chrome has some sort of adware.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: MAX
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


I'm running Malware Bytes and I am not signed into Google.





73 (Regards).



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.



Are you signed into Chrome? I don't know if that makes a difference. I'm not signed in to Chrome with the Chrome browser and I get no ads. Also, I'm suspicious that that is adware. Are you running any sort of antimalware programs?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:08 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] Another problem.



Switching to Google chrome solved my problem with the help file but I am
now getting pop up ads whenever chrome opens. Is there any way to turn
them off?


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Re: Another problem.

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Well for example Ccleaner portable seems to be able to put up a pane randomly now advertising itself as on special offer. Looking at the .ini file you need to stop any vestiges of it running at start up. You only need to have run it once and it will insert itself silently, but as I say it can be disabled.
I do not blame companies for doing this but the problem for us is often that the splash screens are apparently blank being mainly pictures.
Its by no means the only bit of software I've found like this.

I'm still wondering though what your original issue was with apparently missing files or the display of them on his machine.
I notice that superantispyware the free version is now able to spot things inserting themselves as 'invisible' start up items, and stop them from doing it. Its a lot easier than using autoruns to look for strings in the start up registry entries.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


That's more evidence supporting the possibility of adware. I don't know if ad blockers block ads from adware but I think you should investigate further. Other list members will likely discuss other programs to run to see if you have adware. I haven't used enough to discuss the subject much.

Gene
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From: MAX
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


Thank you Brian.



I now have it installed, I think, and time will tell if it is and it works. I get ads when I click on a link in an email message. So I’ll have to wait for one to test it.





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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.



Get an ad blocker extension. My preferred one is uBlock Origin.
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Re: PayPal bank details changed

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I see, well, it is always interesting how things are billed, but I was mainly annoyed as the changes seem to have been done with no advice at all in the case of a donation, and as I have not really used Paypal for other stuff recently I do not know if its a general thing or not.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal bank details changed


At least one Male Entertainment line in the USA bills its charges as just "Voice Mail"" as this solved issues with other family members, such as a spouse, reviewing the credit card bill and saying "What?"

Several Escort Services in Canada itemized their invoices as Agency Fee $50.00, Car Rental $200.00; As the largest item was not for rental of an automobile, the banks required them to revise their invoices; Now the $200.00 is itemized as Miscellaneous. It must include our HST, Tipp and Taxi Fare for the Escort to return to their office or next call. Have known Escorts who charge the Taxi fare item even though the hotel they escorted at was a short walk from their home/office. Yes, it was the owner of such an establishment that did a little escorting when she needed some more money.

The pay is great, however, there is a certain amount of sexual harassment.
Brian


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Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal bank details changed

Actually I may well have it by email but the real issue is the paper/audio bank statement entry. I may well ask Lloyds about it from my end, but I strongly suspect that they may well have done it for, shall we say other reasons.
There was a local radio program recently that stated that many transactions on line are now disguised in case the person is buying sensitive items, by which I suspect they mean sex toys.
Could be embarrassing I guess, but its another manifestation of the paranoia around data protection we are going through at the moment.
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal bank details changed


I didn't think we'd changed anything lately, but I'll look into it for you
Brian. Like you say, having something readable against each transaction
makes working out which is what much easier.

If you have the PayPal receipt handy, would it be possible to email it to
me off-list, please? (Either to quentin@... or info@...).

Regards

Quentin.

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Well, I suspect Pay Pal, I wondered if anyone else had noticed that was
all.
Like most things to do with finance, it all seems totally illogical to
the
person who is the customer!
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal bank details changed


Are you sure this is a change made by NV Access, and not by PayPal or
Lloyds?

Antony.

On Thursday 22 November 2018 at 16:32:08, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I noticed on my Lloyds statement the last donation I made to NV access
did
not have the name just an impenetrable long number and direct debit.
Which
of course it is. I do sometimes despair at the human inability to keep
things simple when they are working fine. sigh. I doubt there is much
NV access can do about this, but really, I use PayPal for other things and
its not helpful if they remove the name in favour of some number.
Bah humbug.
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Re: Another problem.

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I don’t get any either.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: 28 November 2018 18:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

Are you signed into Chrome?  I don't know if that makes a difference.  I'm not signed in to Chrome with the Chrome browser and I get no ads.  Also, I'm suspicious that that is adware.  Are you running any sort of antimalware programs? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:08 PM

To: NVDA

Subject: [nvda] Another problem.

 

Switching to Google chrome solved my problem with the help file but I am
now getting pop up ads whenever chrome opens.  Is there any way to turn
them off?


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