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Re: NVDA 2018.4beta3

Quentin Christensen
 

Good to hear, thanks Brian!


On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:59 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it updated OK here.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4beta3


Hi everyone,

I forgot to post yesterday, but beta3 has been released for NVDA 2018.4.
Specifically changed in this version:

Changes from Beta2:

   - Fix bug where table cells in Libre Office Calc were always reporting
   as ‘unselected’.
   - Fix bug where reporting distance of the cursor to the edge of a page
   in Microsoft Word was not taking paragraph indenting into account.
   - Fix bug where editing a punctuation symbol (such as an emoji) but not
   providing a replacement would cause speech to completely fail.
   - Updated translations


Read the full announcement and download the beta from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta3-released/

Regards

Quentin.


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Update to eSpeak NG- please test in Beta3

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

For those using eSpeak NG, we've updated the build we're using in NVDA for 2018.4.  If you haven't already, I'd encourage you to test the beta builds to make sure there aren't any issues with it.

You can download NVDA 2018.4beta3 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta3-released/

Note, it's not new for beta 3 specifically, so if you've been using the betas, you've already had it, but I thought it was worth a special mention.

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: realtech drivers

 

Shaun,

           You did not mention which Realtek audio device it is that you're looking for the driver for, but there are many still available from Realtek.  See:

                          https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/advanced-search/469?Itemid=276

This page, specifically, https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/pc-audio-codecs-high-definition-audio-codecs-software, almost certainly has the Windows driver you're looking for.  They're updated through 2017 and for Windows 10 as well as earlier Windows.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


realtech drivers

 

Hi all.

This is going generally to nvda list instead of win10 list.

1.  it appears that realtech no longer produce their audio devices their webpages for those seem to have gone.

2.  although free-codecs has a github page.

https://github.com/alanfox2000/realtek-hda-release/releases/

page,

and a huge 5gb rar file with all of them in it, there is a problem.

Right now I would use the last cabinet releases for 32-64 bit for win10.

For 7 users I would use filehipo to get the latest 2.82 release or 2.81 release which is not broken.

Due to the fact that the readme is so poor I can't decifer exactly what the well what the ids which are folders for drivers mean and how to go about finding the right ones to load.

It does appear that for all purposes realtech no longer produces their own drivers or their own chips for audio though  and maybe other things as their webpages are not in english anymore.

If this is true, I will miss them.

True some of their stuff has been crap but to be honest the base hardware has been one of the most stable stuff for ages, later implimentations are not as accessible but the basic drivers have always been good.

If there is a way to decode things and maptch the right driver ids with the right systems and what they mean that would be good but there is no way to email the author of the repository.


Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Gene
 

The NVDA module would be what is evidently being referred to then. 
 
But to clarify, I didn't say the other Watchdog is malware.  it's an antimalware program so people may want to learn about it even if it doesn't apply to this thread.
 
My comments on Watchdog are as a member, not a moderator and there is no reason to respond differently to them than to anyone else's.  No concern about my role as a moderator in disagreeing need apply nor be felt.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Hi all,

I think this is one of those times where I may need to override a forum leader in my capacity as a code contributor (sorry):

The watchdog is indeed not a malware. NVDA’s watchdog is used to keep an eye on how NVDA itself is doing and react to NVDA crashing such as writing a minidump and restarting NVDA if necessary. If watchdog is gone, NVDA won’t be able to respond to its own crashes and such, thus disabling it is not generally recommended.

Thus please disregard the research done on it so far, as they have nothing to do with actual purpose of NVDA’s watchdog module.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

From the name, this is most likely an antimalware program.  A Goodle search for Watchdog antimalware, shows this as the first result with an explanation of the program:

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Wood

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors
related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?


On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
> and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
> are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
> duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>


2018-4 beta 3

Don H
 

Running the latest beta on a win 10 1809 system. If I go to youtube move to the edit box and hit enter to enable me to type in my search. After typing in a few letters I start getting the NVDA error ding for each letter I press to finish entering my search term. I press enter and the search seems to work as it should but why the error dings when entering data into the search edit box?


Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

Hi,
There is no such config option to turn off watchdog at startup, although I think a command line switch might help (if implemented) or modify the source code. The best person to talk to regarding NVDA watchdog is James Teh (Mozilla) who is the main architect of that module.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Hi!
Let me clear up some of the confusion: Watchdog, in computing, usually refers to a component which monitors whether a system is alive. If the system turns out to be unresponsive, the watchdog will step in and try to get it out of the tight spot. NVDA has one, too. For certain operations, if they do not complete within a certain time, the watchdog jumps in and cancels the operation to make NVDA more responsive. In short, whenever NVDA's core freezes, the watchdog will force it out of the spot where it froze and back into safe territory.
Apologies to programmers for the over-simplification. The truth has to do with threads and exceptions and stuff.
It's a bit like on an airplane. Let's say the pilot decides to switch to autopilot. Theoretically, the plane can now do everything it takes to get to its destination automatically, with the possible exception of landing, which requires human clearance. Still, you wouldn't want to fly with a dead pilot, so the pilot is required to press a button every now and then to indicate they're still alive and breathing.
That's how a watchdog works.
Now my machine, being somewhat on the slow side as far as machines go, seems to encounter a lot of those so-called freezes (unconscious pilots), so the watchdog thinks it has a lot of work to do and ends up cancelling many little interactions between NVDA and other processes.
As a result, data sometimes does not get relayed to NVDA the way it's supposed to, and therefore NVDA sometimes fails to track focus.
Disabling the watchdog, on my system, makes NVDA a bit sluggish sometimes as it wades through some slow spots, but it tends to arrive at the correct answers more often, which outweighs that disadvantage.
When NVDA is running, I can tell the watchdog to go to sleep by typing the following into the Python console:
import watchdog
watchdog.terminate()
So I'm pulling the watchdog's module into the console's scope and then calling its terminate function, which simply tells it to stop watching. Technically, the thread that does the watching just gets killed. Poor doggy. Fortunately just a software one.
Anyway, now I'm looking for a way to have NVDA never even start the watchdog, as I prefer living with the occasional sluggishness or crash rather than have the system behave indeterministically.
All the best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 18:20 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

From the name, this is most likely an antimalware program. A Goodle search for Watchdog antimalware, shows this as the first result with an explanation of the program:
https://www.watchdogdevelopment.com/en/home/anti-malware

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors
related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?


On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA
issues are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is
not on duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
All the best,
Felix




Re: Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Felix G.
 

Don't worry, I have every reason to believe they are very much
committed to accessibility. The transition to UIA was for very valid
reasons even though it created some uncomfortable moments, but that's
what happens for most paradigm shifts.
Let's all make liberal use of the feedback hub when things break for us.
All the best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 17:32 Uhr schrieb Jason White via Groups.Io
<jason@...>:


It's reported here that UIA clients such as Narrator can now access the IAccessible2 API used by Chrome.
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-build-18267-heads-out-fast-ring-insiders
(not yet released, apparently)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Hi,
This changes if Microsoft insists on using UIA to communicate with the supposed new browser/rendering engine.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Hi!
If the new variant will be Chromium-based, chances are it will play nice with NVDA.
Best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi,
Like any rumors, this is bound to change without notice if market conditions and other variables change.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with
chrome-based browser for windows 10

Ron, while I, honestly, haven't bothered trying out edge too much, all I really meant with my comment was that, if MS themselves are discarding it, then it might not merit much more attention from the NVDA developers?


And, if it's going to come up in it's current state at times, then, hopefully NVDA versions won't get confused about how they should handle it - if differently at all.


But, I primarily just posted this article here since I found it interesting from a browser end-user point of view.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2018-12-05 4:24 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Jacob,


The only issue I have had with NVDA and Edge is the inability of
NVDA to recognize visited links. I have used Edge with great
success on and off over the past year or so--although I do prefer
Firefox as my default browser.


On 12/5/2018 5:50 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/288342-microsoft-will-repla
ce -edge-with-chrome-based-browser-for-windows-10-report.html



They don't mention anything like time-scale, but, presume this will
mean NVDA devs, etc. can leave out too much worrying about edge
buffering compatibility?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
















Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Let me clear up some of the confusion: Watchdog, in computing, usually
refers to a component which monitors whether a system is alive. If the
system turns out to be unresponsive, the watchdog will step in and try
to get it out of the tight spot. NVDA has one, too. For certain
operations, if they do not complete within a certain time, the
watchdog jumps in and cancels the operation to make NVDA more
responsive. In short, whenever NVDA's core freezes, the watchdog will
force it out of the spot where it froze and back into safe territory.
Apologies to programmers for the over-simplification. The truth has to
do with threads and exceptions and stuff.
It's a bit like on an airplane. Let's say the pilot decides to switch
to autopilot. Theoretically, the plane can now do everything it takes
to get to its destination automatically, with the possible exception
of landing, which requires human clearance. Still, you wouldn't want
to fly with a dead pilot, so the pilot is required to press a button
every now and then to indicate they're still alive and breathing.
That's how a watchdog works.
Now my machine, being somewhat on the slow side as far as machines go,
seems to encounter a lot of those so-called freezes (unconscious
pilots), so the watchdog thinks it has a lot of work to do and ends up
cancelling many little interactions between NVDA and other processes.
As a result, data sometimes does not get relayed to NVDA the way it's
supposed to, and therefore NVDA sometimes fails to track focus.
Disabling the watchdog, on my system, makes NVDA a bit sluggish
sometimes as it wades through some slow spots, but it tends to arrive
at the correct answers more often, which outweighs that disadvantage.
When NVDA is running, I can tell the watchdog to go to sleep by typing
the following into the Python console:
import watchdog
watchdog.terminate()
So I'm pulling the watchdog's module into the console's scope and then
calling its terminate function, which simply tells it to stop
watching. Technically, the thread that does the watching just gets
killed. Poor doggy. Fortunately just a software one.
Anyway, now I'm looking for a way to have NVDA never even start the
watchdog, as I prefer living with the occasional sluggishness or crash
rather than have the system behave indeterministically.
All the best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 18:20 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:


From the name, this is most likely an antimalware program. A Goodle search for Watchdog antimalware, shows this as the first result with an explanation of the program:
https://www.watchdogdevelopment.com/en/home/anti-malware

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors
related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?


On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
All the best,
Felix




Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

Hi all,

I think this is one of those times where I may need to override a forum leader in my capacity as a code contributor (sorry):

The watchdog is indeed not a malware. NVDA’s watchdog is used to keep an eye on how NVDA itself is doing and react to NVDA crashing such as writing a minidump and restarting NVDA if necessary. If watchdog is gone, NVDA won’t be able to respond to its own crashes and such, thus disabling it is not generally recommended.

Thus please disregard the research done on it so far, as they have nothing to do with actual purpose of NVDA’s watchdog module.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

From the name, this is most likely an antimalware program.  A Goodle search for Watchdog antimalware, shows this as the first result with an explanation of the program:

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Wood

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

 

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors
related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?


On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
> and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
> are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
> duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>


Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Gene
 

From the name, this is most likely an antimalware program.  A Goodle search for Watchdog antimalware, shows this as the first result with an explanation of the program:
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors
related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?


On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
> and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
> are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
> duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>



Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Tyler Wood
 

In windows 10 1803, If your issues are the same as mine with NVDA, I should also add here that I really wish I didn't have to perform 5000 steps to get a screen reader to do basic tasks - like reading the windows explorer window after files are copied, moved, or deleted.


I'm exagerating, but this has been going on for 3 plus years and nothing seems to correlate or come to a solution. On lower end hardware it is almost intolerable - alt tabbing is somehow related to this, I think.


However, using 1809, this issue, from what I can see anyway, appears to be almost gone - windows explorer performs similar to other screen readers now and I'm not sure what actually solved this. I only have one computer running the 1809 update, though, so only time will tell. I'm also not running the 2018.4 betas.


So - in conclusion, if you're having these issues, perhaps waiting until the 1809 update hits your device rather than disabling certain drivers would be your best bet? Unless you're having other issues that I'm not aware of.


Either way these are interesting findings.

On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Please explain what you are talking about by 'watchdog'?

A quick google search of windows 10 watchdog nets how to fix errors related to it, not how to disable it or even what it does.


Further googling it appears that this is an ssd driver?

On 2018-12-05 3:19 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Jason White
 

It's reported here that UIA clients such as Narrator can now access the IAccessible2 API used by Chrome.
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-build-18267-heads-out-fast-ring-insiders
(not yet released, apparently)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Hi,
This changes if Microsoft insists on using UIA to communicate with the supposed new browser/rendering engine.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Hi!
If the new variant will be Chromium-based, chances are it will play nice with NVDA.
Best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi,
Like any rumors, this is bound to change without notice if market conditions and other variables change.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with
chrome-based browser for windows 10

Ron, while I, honestly, haven't bothered trying out edge too much, all I really meant with my comment was that, if MS themselves are discarding it, then it might not merit much more attention from the NVDA developers?


And, if it's going to come up in it's current state at times, then, hopefully NVDA versions won't get confused about how they should handle it - if differently at all.


But, I primarily just posted this article here since I found it interesting from a browser end-user point of view.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2018-12-05 4:24 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Jacob,


The only issue I have had with NVDA and Edge is the inability of
NVDA to recognize visited links. I have used Edge with great
success on and off over the past year or so--although I do prefer
Firefox as my default browser.


On 12/5/2018 5:50 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/288342-microsoft-will-repla
ce -edge-with-chrome-based-browser-for-windows-10-report.html



They don't mention anything like time-scale, but, presume this will
mean NVDA devs, etc. can leave out too much worrying about edge
buffering compatibility?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."








Re: I finally got NVDA to work on the Windows log on screen

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi Molly maybe if you don't mind send me A message off of the list.

At my e-mail address witch is

cwollner@...

So that we can take this off of the list cause maybe this kind of thing doesn't need to be on the list.

So I will watch for you message have A nice day.



On 12/5/2018 9:54 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi. I’m from the US, and live in Connecticut, hoping to move out of there someday. I’m totally blind, though I used to have some usable vision. I love NVDA. How about you?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I finally got NVDA to work on the Windows log on screen

 

Hi Molly welcome to the list.

Just wondering where are you from and are you totally blind or do you have some vision?

 

 

On 11/30/2018 8:28 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I posted earlier about not being able to log in to Windows using NVDA. Well today when I turned on my tablet, it announced the time and date as usual. However, since I for some reason can’t use the touchscreen on the log on screen (except when Narrator is running(, I figured I’d hit the escape key just to see what would happen. Wouldn’t you know it, it brought me to the pin edit box. After typing in my pin, NVDA immediately turned on… I guess I should have tried this last week. Jeez. I feel so dumb. Anyway, the point is I can now log in without any issues.

-- 
 
Casey
-- 

Casey


Re: I finally got NVDA to work on the Windows log on screen

Gene
 

A note from the moderator:
The list doesn't want a lot of me too messages.  If people have specific features they like about NVDA or specific uses where they consider it better than other screen-readers or specific things they don't like or would like improved, those might lead to good discussion or be informative for users.  But please don't sendd a lot of one sentence messages saying you like NVDA or similar messages with no content that adds to knowledge or to meaningful discussion.
 
Presumably, people are on this list because they either very much like NVDA, prefer it, or are learning about it.  But most people wouldn't be on the list if they disliked it.
 
Gene, Moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I finally got NVDA to work on the Windows log on screen

Hi. I’m from the US, and live in Connecticut, hoping to move out of there someday. I’m totally blind, though I used to have some usable vision. I love NVDA. How about you?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I finally got NVDA to work on the Windows log on screen

 

Hi Molly welcome to the list.

Just wondering where are you from and are you totally blind or do you have some vision?

 

 

On 11/30/2018 8:28 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I posted earlier about not being able to log in to Windows using NVDA. Well today when I turned on my tablet, it announced the time and date as usual. However, since I for some reason can’t use the touchscreen on the log on screen (except when Narrator is running(, I figured I’d hit the escape key just to see what would happen. Wouldn’t you know it, it brought me to the pin edit box. After typing in my pin, NVDA immediately turned on… I guess I should have tried this last week. Jeez. I feel so dumb. Anyway, the point is I can now log in without any issues.

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Re: Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

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Yes the fact is there are cut down versions of chrome and firefox et all out there that have no accessibility whatsoever so it is presumably the choice of the company using the engine how they enable access. I just hope that if this proves to be true, they do not make such a cock up with it as they did in the start of Edge.
Brian who hopes the Skype programmers are not in charge of it :-)


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10


Hi,
This changes if Microsoft insists on using UIA to communicate with the supposed new browser/rendering engine.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

Hi!
If the new variant will be Chromium-based, chances are it will play nice with NVDA.
Best,
Felix
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi,
Like any rumors, this is bound to change without notice if market conditions and other variables change.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with
chrome-based browser for windows 10

Ron, while I, honestly, haven't bothered trying out edge too much, all I really meant with my comment was that, if MS themselves are discarding it, then it might not merit much more attention from the NVDA developers?


And, if it's going to come up in it's current state at times, then, hopefully NVDA versions won't get confused about how they should handle it - if differently at all.


But, I primarily just posted this article here since I found it interesting from a browser end-user point of view.


Stay well


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On 2018-12-05 4:24 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Jacob,


The only issue I have had with NVDA and Edge is the inability of
NVDA to recognize visited links. I have used Edge with great
success on and off over the past year or so--although I do prefer
Firefox as my default browser.


On 12/5/2018 5:50 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/288342-microsoft-will-repla
ce -edge-with-chrome-based-browser-for-windows-10-report.html



They don't mention anything like time-scale, but, presume this will
mean NVDA devs, etc. can leave out too much worrying about edge
buffering compatibility?

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Re: Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10

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All we need now is for them to announce a return to normal menu bars etc as a format choice in their software and the ability to still get security updates to 10 without a 6 month re install of windows with its attendant cock ups and the need to relearn how to do things and we will be fine......
Flying pig alert.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article: Microsoft will replace edge with chrome-based browser for windows 10


Hi Jacob,


The only issue I have had with NVDA and Edge is the inability of NVDA to recognize visited links. I have used Edge with great success on and off over the past year or so--although I do prefer Firefox as my default browser.


On 12/5/2018 5:50 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/288342-microsoft-will-replace-edge-with-chrome-based-browser-for-windows-10-report.html


They don't mention anything like time-scale, but, presume this will mean NVDA devs, etc. can leave out too much worrying about edge buffering compatibility?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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Re: Permanently disabling watchdog via config

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There used to be in the console, but I've not tried it lately so I'll bow to others with more up to date knowledge before I go furtling back though my archives. They can't touch you for it you know.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 9:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] Permanently disabling watchdog via config


Hello,
I'm currently testing some driver scenarios with watchdog disabled,
and by coincidence discovered that some of my longstanding NVDA issues
are not present, or behave differently, when the watchdog is not on
duty. Is there a quick'n'easy way to have the watchdog never start?
All the best,
Felix


Re: NVDA 2018.4beta3

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Yes it updated OK here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4beta3


Hi everyone,

I forgot to post yesterday, but beta3 has been released for NVDA 2018.4.
Specifically changed in this version:

Changes from Beta2:

- Fix bug where table cells in Libre Office Calc were always reporting
as ‘unselected’.
- Fix bug where reporting distance of the cursor to the edge of a page
in Microsoft Word was not taking paragraph indenting into account.
- Fix bug where editing a punctuation symbol (such as an emoji) but not
providing a replacement would cause speech to completely fail.
- Updated translations


Read the full announcement and download the beta from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4beta3-released/

Regards

Quentin.


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