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Re: How can I configure NVDA to speak nothing? #advisory

 

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:59 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
you can have the functionality or not, using an add-on to achieve one state
I consider the "directionality" of the add-on, whether activating or deactivating the feature, to be irrelevant.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other.  I'd far rather see focus on functionality that does not currently exist.
 
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Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Brian,


"Release Candidate 1 of NVDA 2018.4 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2018.4 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback. This is a release candidate, meaning that unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.4 release."



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:20 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

 I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc about
it.
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Re: How can I configure NVDA to speak nothing? #advisory

Quentin Christensen
 

There is an issue for removing the beeps option and having an add-on to provide it for those who want it (compared to the current functionality of the feature being in the core and using an add-on to remove it): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5631  The comments to the issue indicate that while for those who don't use the functionality, the use of beeps mode may seem unclear, there are certainly those who do use it.

While I personally agree with using the add-on to provide the extra functionality (that some users really find useful and others don't need at all), I would make the point that it would require work from someone which would then essentially bring us back to exactly the situation we have now (you can have the functionality or not, using an add-on to achieve one state).  That work could instead be directed to functionality which doesn't currently exist.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:51 PM Mohamed <malhajamy@...> wrote:
Personally I've used it on occasions, though I've changed the pitch to
an A note rather than the default, as the default pitch sounds rather
painful to me.

On 12/9/2018 1:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
> I thought the beeps mode would act like the old asap screen reader for
> dos did, in that when text is scrolling on the screen, it would
> constantly emit beeps to let you know the program was still producing
> output. However, when I was doing a rather lengthy compile a couple
> months ago, I tried turning on beeps mode, hoping it would continue
> beeping (once every second or so), or perhaps everytime the screen
> updated, but that did not happen.  I actually got no output at all,
> beeps or otherwise, which is not at all what I expected.  As a result,
> I just assumed the beep mode was broken, and went back to switching
> away from compile windows and checking periodically to see if they're
> done, since beeps mode doesn't perform as expected.
>
>
>
>





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Re: Inserting a row in MS Word table

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Nevzat,

Inserting elements into tables is a Word function and is not related to any screen reader.

Move your arrow into the current table on the row before or after which you want to insert a new row. Press the application key, or the combination of alt+F10 if the application key is not available. Press Down-arrow in the application menu until you find "insert". This is a sub-menu, so press righth-arrow into it and you will see all the items that you can insert. One of these is "Rows above" and next is "Rows below".


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Subject: [nvda] Inserting a row in MS Word table

Hi group,

I am doing an assignment in an MS word document with tables.
When I come to the last column of the last row I am told I can add another row by pressing tab.
That's fine, but what I'd like to be able to do is to insert a row within the table.
Is their a way to do this using NVDA or JAWS?
Your response will be appreciated.
Nevzat


tutorial for using a physical mouse

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Are there any instructions that will help a total use a physical mouse with efficiency?


Re: Inserting a row in MS Word table

 

Thanks, it will be very helpful.

On 12/10/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, you can insert a single, or multiple, rows above or below the currently
selected row (or rows).

Once you have selected a row or rows, hit the applications/menu key if you
have one or SHIFT+F10 if you don't.  From the context menu that comes up
activate the Insert item, which will then give you the submenu for insert,
which includes rows above or rows below.   There are other options as well.
If you have a single row with focus you will get a single row inserted, if
you have multiple rows selected then you will get the same number of empty
rows inserted as you already have selected.

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Re: voices for NVDA

Mike Sedmak
 

FWIW I have been using the Tiflotecnia vocalizer for several years.
While the drivers have not been updated, they have not been causing me
any trouble.
I like the vocalizer voices better than most other options on windows 7.

I have had license trouble a few times when migrating to a new
computer and Tiflotecnia helped me resolve my license issues within 2
days.

Mike

On 12/10/18, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
I was a long long time user of Window Eyes and always used DecTalk.
Never understood why people ever used Eloquence but I guess it is what
you get used to.

On 12/10/2018 11:37 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are interested in the Eloquence that comes with the Code Factory
add-on, try the demo to be sure you want it.  The Eloquence has lots of
annoying artifacts, sounds that shouldn't be there.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Vlad Dragomir <mailto:vladdragomir1983@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2018 11:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voices for NVDA

Don,

No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact,
one might be better than the other for different people. Both have
problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than
happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few
things to be aware of:

1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper,
and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly
updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or
twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with
Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you
only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy
going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a
little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new
voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but
they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the
beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.

This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I
suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but
only you can tell which is better for you.

Best regards,

Vlad.





Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

In addition to a whole host of other changes. Given the below post, it sounds like even more protocols will be coming but I can't find anything in the github repo though. I've tried to see if the speak add on got an update, to read chat rooms, but it did not. It still works.


https://www.miranda-ng.org/en/news/0-95-10


Re: voices for NVDA

Don H
 

I was a long long time user of Window Eyes and always used DecTalk. Never understood why people ever used Eloquence but I guess it is what you get used to.

On 12/10/2018 11:37 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are interested in the Eloquence that comes with the Code Factory add-on, try the demo to be sure you want it.  The Eloquence has lots of annoying artifacts, sounds that shouldn't be there.
Gene
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*From:* Vlad Dragomir <mailto:vladdragomir1983@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2018 11:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voices for NVDA
Don,
No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact, one might be better than the other for different people. Both have problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few things to be aware of:
1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper,
and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly
updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or
twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with
Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you
only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy
going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a
little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new
voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but
they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the
beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.
This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but only you can tell which is better for you.
Best regards,
Vlad.


Re: voices for NVDA

Gene
 

If you are interested in the Eloquence that comes with the Code Factory add-on, try the demo to be sure you want it.  The Eloquence has lots of annoying artifacts, sounds that shouldn't be there.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] voices for NVDA

Don,

 

No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact, one might be better than the other for different people. Both have problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few things to be aware of:

 

  1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper, and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
  2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.

 

This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but only you can tell which is better for you.

 

Best regards,

 

Vlad.


Re: voices for NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Nimer,

 

I haven't bought anything from this company but any company that keeps breaking promises and is deceptive shouldn't even be in business. I won't say anything more.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 9:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] voices for NVDA

 

Hello,

 

Tiflotecnia enjoys making broken promises to list members, taking advantage of every new announcement to say that this is the reason why their update has been delayed. Their  representative has told us that there is a pending update coming for years now, and yet it still is not here. Now, the latest excuse is that we are waiting on Python 3 because releasing an update now would be a waste of time. Last year, it was that we were waiting on just a couple of more things, and the update would be released. The year before that, it was the same. Please, please do not give money to this company as they are nothing but a waste of your time, and I would go so far as to call them scammers. The product is buggy, the issues haven't been fixed, and no new features have been developed, no new voices added, etc. Newance should yank their license for being so deceptive and uncaring about their users. I feel strongly about this because I have seen so many promises broken by this company's representative that I cannot recommend anyone purchase this product and expect to get their money's worth, or updates or anything else.

 

Note that this is my personal opinion, and not that of NVAccess.

 

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:13 AM Vlad Dragomir <vladdragomir1983@...> wrote:

Don,

 

No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact, one might be better than the other for different people. Both have problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few things to be aware of:

 

  1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper, and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
  2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.

 

This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but only you can tell which is better for you.

 

Best regards,

 

Vlad.



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Re: voices for NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Tiflotecnia enjoys making broken promises to list members, taking advantage of every new announcement to say that this is the reason why their update has been delayed. Their  representative has told us that there is a pending update coming for years now, and yet it still is not here. Now, the latest excuse is that we are waiting on Python 3 because releasing an update now would be a waste of time. Last year, it was that we were waiting on just a couple of more things, and the update would be released. The year before that, it was the same. Please, please do not give money to this company as they are nothing but a waste of your time, and I would go so far as to call them scammers. The product is buggy, the issues haven't been fixed, and no new features have been developed, no new voices added, etc. Newance should yank their license for being so deceptive and uncaring about their users. I feel strongly about this because I have seen so many promises broken by this company's representative that I cannot recommend anyone purchase this product and expect to get their money's worth, or updates or anything else.

Note that this is my personal opinion, and not that of NVAccess.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:13 AM Vlad Dragomir <vladdragomir1983@...> wrote:

Don,

 

No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact, one might be better than the other for different people. Both have problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few things to be aware of:

 

  1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper, and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
  2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.

 

This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but only you can tell which is better for you.

 

Best regards,

 

Vlad.



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Re: Inserting a row in MS Word table

 

Yes, you can insert a single, or multiple, rows above or below the currently selected row (or rows).

Once you have selected a row or rows, hit the applications/menu key if you have one or SHIFT+F10 if you don't.  From the context menu that comes up activate the Insert item, which will then give you the submenu for insert, which includes rows above or rows below.   There are other options as well.  If you have a single row with focus you will get a single row inserted, if you have multiple rows selected then you will get the same number of empty rows inserted as you already have selected.

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Inserting a row in MS Word table

 

Hi group,

I am doing an assignment in an MS word document with tables.
When I come to the last column of the last row I am told I can add
another row by pressing tab.
That's fine, but what I'd like to be able to do is to insert a row
within the table.
Is their a way to do this using NVDA or JAWS?
Your response will be appreciated.
Nevzat


Re: voices for NVDA

Vlad Dragomir
 

Don,

 

No, I wouldn’t say that one is better than the other. To be more exact, one might be better than the other for different people. Both have problems, and both Code Factory and Tiflotecnia seem to be more than happy to be paid, without caring much about quality. Here are a few things to be aware of:

 

  1. Code Factory Vocalizer comes with Eloquence as a pack, it’s cheaper, and you get two synthesizers. Vocalizer voices are being regularly updated, there are either new voices or new languages added once or twice per year. Say-all and spell-line commands do not work with Vocalizer, and if you send them emails to ask them to fix this, you only receive deep silence as a response, they seem to be too busy going on holidays and spending what they’ve got from us.
  2. Tiflotecnia are even more expensive, their driver seems to be a little more polished and less buggy. On the other hand, no new voices/languages, no updates for the last three years or so, but they are very good at promises. They did a good job at the beginning, and since then they enjoy living on rent.

 

This was a very subjective overview, which I hope will help you a bit. I suggest trying them both before making a decision. None is perfect, but only you can tell which is better for you.

 

Best regards,

 

Vlad.


Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.

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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc about
it.
Brian

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Re: any tutorials/demos golden cursor

Jackie
 

O, thank you so very much, Joseph! Going to get that immediately after
pressing 'send'.

On 12/10/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Ah yes, I covered Golden Cursor in Welcome to NVDA 2018 edition:
https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/9/nvda_tutorial_9%20(Golden%20Cursor).mp3
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 8:05 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] any tutorials/demos golden cursor

I keep hearing this addon is useful for being able to move the mouse etc, &
is indeed somewhat analogous to the Jaws cursor. Does anyone know of or have
on their site a demo/tutorial on how this works? I don't seem to be able to
get much of anything useful to happen w/it, & I suspect the problem is not
w/the addon itself, but rather, w/me bein' stupid (an all-too-common
occurrence, unfortunately).

Thanks for any info anyone can provide. It's much appreciated.

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Re: any tutorials/demos golden cursor

 

Hi,
Ah yes, I covered Golden Cursor in Welcome to NVDA 2018 edition:
https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/9/nvda_tutorial_9%20(Golden%20Cursor).mp3
Cheers,
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To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] any tutorials/demos golden cursor

I keep hearing this addon is useful for being able to move the mouse etc, & is indeed somewhat analogous to the Jaws cursor. Does anyone know of or have on their site a demo/tutorial on how this works? I don't seem to be able to get much of anything useful to happen w/it, & I suspect the problem is not w/the addon itself, but rather, w/me bein' stupid (an all-too-common occurrence, unfortunately).

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any tutorials/demos golden cursor

Jackie
 

I keep hearing this addon is useful for being able to move the mouse
etc, & is indeed somewhat analogous to the Jaws cursor. Does anyone
know of or have on their site a demo/tutorial on how this works? I
don't seem to be able to get much of anything useful to happen w/it, &
I suspect the problem is not w/the addon itself, but rather, w/me
bein' stupid (an all-too-common occurrence, unfortunately).

Thanks for any info anyone can provide. It's much appreciated.

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Re: voices for NVDA

Don H
 

So is one better than the other?

On 12/10/2018 8:20 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Yes, they are two flavours of Vocalizer-Expressive for NVDA.
One from Tiflotecnia and other from CodeFactory.
Both use the Vocalizer-Expressive from Nuance.
Nuance itself does not sell any voices for NVDA.
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:14 de 10/12/2018, Don H escreveu:
I see, if I am reading it correctly, that there are two versions of Vocalizer Expressive voices for NVDA.  One from Code factory and one from Nuance.  Are there differences making one better than the other?
Thanks