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Re: college course question

 

Bravo, Antony!!  Having actually had a student of my own who was taking a medical coding and billing course that's precisely how I read the query, too.

Since most of these systems I've encountered in recent years are web based it makes accessibility much easier, regardless of the screen reader.  If they're not, then you're at the mercy of whether they've been scripted (in the case of JAWS) or not and, to some extent, the luck of the draw as certain applications just seem to be more accessible by chance than others are when accessibility was not specifically a part of their design specs.

A great many of the data entry systems for medical billing have now gone web-based as well.  Web-based access methods have proven to be an accessibility godsend simply because every major web browser is supported by the well-known screen readers.  Not that even these are necessarily perfect, but it's generally a matter of working out kinks.

The biggest problem I've had with institutions of higher learning and accessibility is that they still fail to understand that you can't just drop a blind person in, even one that is incredibly proficient with one or more screen readers, to a complex web application and have them be able to use it with the speed and proficiency of someone who can see (and has the advantage of being able to instantly ignore the parts that need to be ignored).   I have had to go to the mat in several local colleges to get them to understand that they needed to provide access to a "sandbox version" of their registration system, course material management system, and other odd bits to my students several months ahead of the time when they would be actual students so we could train on how to use those and they'd be ready to hit the academic ground running.  You cannot (at least not if you care about being in any way fair or providing reasonable accommodations) expect a blind student new to a given school to be trying to learn not only their course material but all of the systems they need to use at the same time that are simply much more tedious and hard to get acquainted with when a screen reader is required.

Hank is being very proactive in trying to determine how accessible or inaccessible what he's going to be expected to use actually is.  If the institution has a disability services person, and many do, these questions should be addressed to them.  If they don't know the answers and you're the "guinea pig blind student" (and I've had a couple of these as my students who were firsts at the schools they attended) then expect that you will have to be constantly advocating for yourself, educating your disability services person, and teaching people about what reasonable accommodations are all about.  Also be prepared in many cases to have scads of PDF materials distributed for courses that are image scanned PDFs from way back that you will have to OCR process to make accessible.  Then tell your instructors that they need to go back and do this on all image PDFs they intend to continue using.

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Re: college course question

Antony Stone
 

Surely the question was about the college's teaching platform, not about
medical appointment applications?

There are very likely two questions here:

1. Does NVDA work with Canvas, the teaching platform used by this particular
college?

2. Does NVDA, or any other screen reader, work with the medical billing
systems which the student is likely to encounter after completing the training
course? Hopefully there will be a good element of this in the training course
itself.

Regards,


Antony.

On Wednesday 12 December 2018 at 14:57:23, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Sarah & List:

Friend of mine in Oregon swears by an App called My Chart.

Displays test results, doctor appointments, all easily read with Voiceover
on His iPhone X.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Sarah k
Alawami Sent: December 11, 2018 23:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] college course question

I doubt that will be accessible. You can try it, but I have not so far have
had any good experience with online medical anything thus far. I have to
deal with med stuff for my personal life and it is not accessible.

On 11 Dec 2018, at 17:48, The Wolf wrote:
Hello I am thinking about going to a college for a 9-month program in
medical billing and coding.

the online platform that the school uses is canvas

is this platform blind friendly? or should I just look in to other
colleges that use a different platform?

oh and I would be using nvda of course

unless the school disability office purchases jaws for me but I would
prefer to use nvda

thanks for any help you can give.

Hank
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Re: college course question

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Sarah & List:

Friend of mine in Oregon swears by an App called My Chart.

Displays test results, doctor appointments, all easily read with Voiceover
on His iPhone X.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: December 11, 2018 23:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] college course question

I doubt that will be accessible. You can try it, but I have not so far have
had any good experience with online medical anything thus far. I have to
deal with med stuff for my personal life and it is not accessible.

On 11 Dec 2018, at 17:48, The Wolf wrote:

Hello I am thinking about going to a college for a 9-month program in
medical billing and coding.

the online platform that the school uses is canvas

is this platform blind friendly? or should I just look in to other
colleges that use a different platform?

oh and I would be using nvda of course

unless the school disability office purchases jaws for me but I would
prefer to use nvda

thanks for any help you can give.

Hank


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Re: Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

I tried Discord on it today and it makes using Discord a whole lot easier but still, it's a third party solution. I've updated the pre configured miranda NG by AL a while ago and things work really well for me. Is there a way I can just copy the settings and share them with others? I've been using Miranda NG and nothing else for skype chats, FaceBook chats, and, now, discord chats.


Re: Change minimum windows version required flag

 

i wish to know too.
in that case, i can test newer versions of nvda and participate in
github and help developers more!

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Why do you need to know. If you change it for an earlier one it will still

not work correctly.
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Subject: [nvda] Change minimum windows version required flag


Hi,

Where in the NVDA setting files is the minimum windows version value
saved?

Thanks,









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Re: Change minimum windows version required flag

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Why do you need to know. If you change it for an earlier one it will still not work correctly.
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Hi,

Where in the NVDA setting files is the minimum windows version value saved?

Thanks,





Re: collige course question

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Yes our NHS are wrestling with problems, even getting an account set on some show the stupidity of their form design, no idea what package they are using.

If I was in education I'd want them to provide Jaws and demonstrate that it has the scripts to work with the software. In this country there would be hell to pay if a student could not actually access the system and its precisely why they use Jaws as many of the bits of software used by Universities etc are already scripted.
Just saying.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] collige course question


I doubt that will be accessible. You can try it, but I have not so far have had any good experience with online medical anything thus far. I have to deal with med stuff for my personal life and it si not accesible.

On 11 Dec 2018, at 17:48, The Wolf wrote:

Hello I am thinking about going to a cologe for a 9 month program in medicle billing and coding.

the online platform that the school uses is canvus

is this platform blind friendly? or should I just look in to other coliges that use a different platform?

oh and I would be using nvda of course

unless the school disability office purchases jaws for me but I would prefir to use nvda

thanks for any help you can give.

Hank


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Re: RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

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OK Focus Highlight has been off for a day now, and thus far no crashes. a couple of inactive pauses, but this may well be something updating in the background as its hard to tell.
It seems that add on may well be an issue with Windows 7 Explorer, though I do not see quite why it should be.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7


Hi Brian,

please try to disable audiotheme 3d and focus highlight and see if the issue
still occurs. I tend to think that it is caused by focus gighlight but am
not very sure.

Best
Adriani



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Betreff: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

This is the third such crash today in control panel etc. I have not tried
disabling the add ons as yet as the problem is random, and just seems to
happen out of nowhere with no speech or speech only working in log in etc.
Here is the last log. You will note there is no indication of why after a
long wait nvda closed down and rebooted either.

INFO - __main__ (09:12:23.556):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.493):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.493):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.525):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True',
u'startupNotification': u'True', u'allowUsageStats': u'True',
u'askedAllowUsageStats': u'True'}, u'general':
{u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows',
u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True',
u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech':
{u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (3- BEHRINGER USB WDM ',
u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy',
u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'95'},
u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftD
aniel_Full_22kHz',
u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'70', u'pitch': u'49'}, u'mssp': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech
Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90',
u'rate': u'45'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice':
u'{BF5EAD40-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'100', u'pitch': u'26',
u'volume': u'54'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant':
u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume':

u'99'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80', u'rate': u'55',
u'pitch': u'40'}, u'dectalk': {u'voice': u'Frank', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch':

u'19', u'inflection': u'40'}}, u'braille': {u'messageTimeout': u'4',
u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True',
u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates':
{u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers':
{u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting':
{u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False',
u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False',
u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False',
u'reportAlignment': u'False', u'reportStyle': u'False',
u'reportFontAttributes': u'False', u'reportEmphasis': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'True'}, u'keyboard':
{u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey':
u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'},
u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1529135589'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x':
u'68', u'y': u'44', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays':
[u'(1920, 1080)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'audioThemes':
{u'speakRole': u'True'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'True'}} DEBUG
- core.main (09:12:24.539):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
NVDA version 2018.4rc1
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main
(09:12:24.539):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC
v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.555):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Found add-on Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Found add-on OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Found add-on textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toolbarsExplorer
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.607):
Found add-on toolbarsExplorer
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:24.647):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.700):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon dropbox added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.703):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not
found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.720):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.721):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO -
synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (09:12:24.763):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.063):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak
-English
(Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.069):
9 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:12:25.069):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:25.069):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.071):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:12:25.072):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.081):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (09:12:25.081):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:12:25.085):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.213):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.214):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.082):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.084):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (09:12:27.084):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.085):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.086):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.105):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:27.107):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:27.107):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.494):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30:
DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:62:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - Python warning
(09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:70:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (09:12:27.684):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (09:12:27.770):
application closed
IO - speech.speak (09:12:27.859):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'C:\\Users\\Brian\\Desktop\\DevLinks']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale
(09:12:27.861):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:12:28.301):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 486, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audi
oThemes\__init__.py",
line 125, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\foc
usHighlight.py",
line 462, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 961, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 849, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 401, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 337, in speakObjectProperties
File "speech.pyo", line 445, in speakText
File "speech.pyo", line 568, in speak
File "speech.pyo", line 80, in processText
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 637, in processSpeechSymbols
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 44, in fetchLocaleData
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 516, in __init__
File "re.pyo", line 194, in compile
File "re.pyo", line 249, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 576, in compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 561, in _code
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 151, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 78, in _compile
File "sre_parse.pyo", line 145, in __getitem__

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1688 (explorer.exe) (09:12:29.595):
Thread 708, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.055):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.543):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.200):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.727):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.792):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Windows Explorer dialog Windows
Explorer has stopped working\nA problem caused the program to stop working
correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.'] IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Close program button ALT+C'] IO -
speech.speak (09:12:43.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:43.240):
Input: kb(desktop):space
INFO - core.main (09:12:43.273):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating global plugin handler


Not sure if its just a windows 7 thing though. Obviously, I'd need to go
back to the last beta to figure out if there has been a change. Without the
error noise enabled on the RC there was no indication of a problem first.

Brian

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Change minimum windows version required flag

Dinga Patel <neo420@...>
 

Hi,

Where in the NVDA setting files is the minimum windows version value saved?

Thanks,


Re: collige course question

Sarah k Alawami
 

I doubt that will be accessible. You can try it, but I have not so far have had any good experience with online medical anything thus far. I have to deal with med stuff for my personal life and it si not accesible.

On 11 Dec 2018, at 17:48, The Wolf wrote:

Hello I am thinking about going to a cologe for a 9 month program in medicle billing and coding.

the online platform that the school uses is canvus

is this platform blind friendly? or should I just look in to other coliges that use a different platform?

oh and I would be using nvda of course

unless the school disability office purchases jaws for me but I would prefir to use nvda

thanks for any help you can give.

Hank

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Re: Tutorial for NVDA and XL

特種兵
 


  This book is good material for learn excel.
  The fact I bought NVDA's all(three) material books last year.
  The import things that English gramma is simple, although my English is very poor can read easy too.
  On the other hands could donor to nvaccess.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Quentin Christensen 於 2018/12/11 9:48 寫道:

I do!


"The official training material for Microsoft Excel 2010-2016 with NVDA covering concepts from getting started with Excel to advanced skills such as complex formulas, charts and distributing workbooks.

Microsoft Excel with NVDA is the third module in the official set of training materials for learning to use the free NVDA screen reader. Suitable for the new and existing user of Microsoft Excel wishing to improve proficiency. This module assumes that the user has completed the “Basic Training for NVDA” module, or has equivalent knowledge.

Topics covered include: Getting started with Excel, using headers, multiple worksheets, formulas, cell references, named ranges, tables, the elements list, text and number formatting, sorting, filtering, using charts, protecting and sharing workbooks.

This eBook version of the training module includes the following formats:

.epub: An electronic book format readable in many standalone book readers as well as book reading apps on smartphones and computers.
.html: A web page readable in any web browser
.docx: A Microsoft Word file
.kfx: Used in Amazon Kindle readers and the Kindle app for PC (version 1.19 or later required)
The purchase price of this product supports the work of NV Access and our ability to provide the NVDA screen reading software free of charge. If you would like to sample the style of the material prior to purchasing, we have made an extract of the Basic Training for NVDA module freely available on our website."

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:16 AM Sile via Groups.Io <somodhrain=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello all


Does anhyone know of a tutorial for XL that goes beyond the basics of
just entering data into cells, e.g. writing formulas and dealing with
rollover cells?


Thanks,


--Sile







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



collige course question

 

Hello I am thinking about going to a cologe for a 9 month program in medicle billing and coding.

the online platform that the school uses is canvus

is this platform blind friendly? or should I just look in to other coliges that use a different platform?

oh and I would be using nvda of course

unless the school disability office purchases jaws for me but I would prefir to use nvda

thanks for any help you can give.

Hank


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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y


Re: RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

OK will do. I concur that focus highlight has some odd issues told to me by the sighted. I normally do turn it off unless somebody sighted is here helping me with a weird access issue so they can see where I am.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7


Hi Brian,

please try to disable audiotheme 3d and focus highlight and see if the issue
still occurs. I tend to think that it is caused by focus gighlight but am
not very sure.

Best
Adriani



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Betreff: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

This is the third such crash today in control panel etc. I have not tried
disabling the add ons as yet as the problem is random, and just seems to
happen out of nowhere with no speech or speech only working in log in etc.
Here is the last log. You will note there is no indication of why after a
long wait nvda closed down and rebooted either.

INFO - __main__ (09:12:23.556):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.493):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.493):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.525):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True',
u'startupNotification': u'True', u'allowUsageStats': u'True',
u'askedAllowUsageStats': u'True'}, u'general':
{u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows',
u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True',
u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech':
{u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (3- BEHRINGER USB WDM ',
u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy',
u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'95'},
u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftD
aniel_Full_22kHz',
u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'70', u'pitch': u'49'}, u'mssp': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech
Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90',
u'rate': u'45'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice':
u'{BF5EAD40-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'100', u'pitch': u'26',
u'volume': u'54'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant':
u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume':

u'99'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80', u'rate': u'55',
u'pitch': u'40'}, u'dectalk': {u'voice': u'Frank', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch':

u'19', u'inflection': u'40'}}, u'braille': {u'messageTimeout': u'4',
u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True',
u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates':
{u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers':
{u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting':
{u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False',
u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False',
u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False',
u'reportAlignment': u'False', u'reportStyle': u'False',
u'reportFontAttributes': u'False', u'reportEmphasis': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'True'}, u'keyboard':
{u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey':
u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'},
u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1529135589'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x':
u'68', u'y': u'44', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays':
[u'(1920, 1080)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'audioThemes':
{u'speakRole': u'True'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'True'}} DEBUG
- core.main (09:12:24.539):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
NVDA version 2018.4rc1
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main
(09:12:24.539):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC
v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.555):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Found add-on Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Found add-on OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Found add-on textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toolbarsExplorer
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.607):
Found add-on toolbarsExplorer
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:24.647):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.700):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon dropbox added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.703):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not
found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.720):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.721):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO -
synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (09:12:24.763):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.063):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak
-English
(Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.069):
9 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:12:25.069):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:25.069):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.071):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:12:25.072):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.081):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (09:12:25.081):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:12:25.085):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.213):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.214):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.082):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.084):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (09:12:27.084):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.085):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.086):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.105):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:27.107):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:27.107):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.494):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30:
DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:62:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - Python warning
(09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:70:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (09:12:27.684):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (09:12:27.770):
application closed
IO - speech.speak (09:12:27.859):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'C:\\Users\\Brian\\Desktop\\DevLinks']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale
(09:12:27.861):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:12:28.301):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 486, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audi
oThemes\__init__.py",
line 125, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\foc
usHighlight.py",
line 462, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 961, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 849, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 401, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 337, in speakObjectProperties
File "speech.pyo", line 445, in speakText
File "speech.pyo", line 568, in speak
File "speech.pyo", line 80, in processText
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 637, in processSpeechSymbols
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 44, in fetchLocaleData
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 516, in __init__
File "re.pyo", line 194, in compile
File "re.pyo", line 249, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 576, in compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 561, in _code
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 151, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 78, in _compile
File "sre_parse.pyo", line 145, in __getitem__

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1688 (explorer.exe) (09:12:29.595):
Thread 708, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.055):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.543):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.200):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.727):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.792):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Windows Explorer dialog Windows
Explorer has stopped working\nA problem caused the program to stop working
correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.'] IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Close program button ALT+C'] IO -
speech.speak (09:12:43.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:43.240):
Input: kb(desktop):space
INFO - core.main (09:12:43.273):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating global plugin handler


Not sure if its just a windows 7 thing though. Obviously, I'd need to go
back to the last beta to figure out if there has been a change. Without the
error noise enabled on the RC there was no indication of a problem first.

Brian

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Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, I confirm.
You can install in a NVDA portable, in a PEN, the drivers and voices addons and activate the license for that PEN...

That way you can use the PEN in any computer with Vocalizer voices...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 13:30 de 11/12/2018, Richard Wells escreveu:

From what I have been reading, Tiflotecnia, unlike Code Factory allows portable versions of NVDA to use their voices. Could Rui confirm or refute this as their copy protection is not as draconian?
On 12/11/2018 5:31 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:
it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.

On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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Re: Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

I believe that was created by Andre Louis. It's still available, but I don't use it because it's outdated.

On 12/11/2018 08:25, Robert Kingett wrote:

Someone made a blind pre configured Miranda NG but it was before they dramatically updated their databases. I can send the old one I have via dropbox or something but don't know how to get it to work after checking for updates. If anybody can re-package it and update it, whatever, I will be more than happy to host it. PM me or reply here if interested on fixing the blind version of Miranda NG.


Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Richard Wells
 

From what I have been reading, Tiflotecnia, unlike Code Factory allows portable versions of NVDA to use their voices. Could Rui confirm or refute this as their copy protection is not as draconian?

On 12/11/2018 5:31 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:
it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.

On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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Re: Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

Someone made a blind pre configured Miranda NG but it was before they dramatically updated their databases. I can send the old one I have via dropbox or something but don't know how to get it to work after checking for updates. If anybody can re-package it and update it, whatever, I will be more than happy to host it. PM me or reply here if interested on fixing the blind version of Miranda NG.


Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Am running it too. No regressions encountered so far. Smooth sailing.
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Dez. 2018 um 13:54 Uhr schrieb Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com>:


I must agree with this wish I could switch to beta version or whatever
from inside NVDA.

On 12/11/18, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@comcast.net> wrote:
I installed rc1 and so far so good. Nice job guys.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its
released you will be on stable release that means you need to change
versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of
nvda.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement
but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc
about
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Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Lenron
 

I must agree with this wish I could switch to beta version or whatever
from inside NVDA.

On 12/11/18, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@comcast.net> wrote:
I installed rc1 and so far so good. Nice job guys.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its
released you will be on stable release that means you need to change
versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of
nvda.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement
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Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:

it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.
On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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