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Re: RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

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OK will do. I concur that focus highlight has some odd issues told to me by the sighted. I normally do turn it off unless somebody sighted is here helping me with a weird access issue so they can see where I am.
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From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7


Hi Brian,

please try to disable audiotheme 3d and focus highlight and see if the issue
still occurs. I tend to think that it is caused by focus gighlight but am
not very sure.

Best
Adriani



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This is the third such crash today in control panel etc. I have not tried
disabling the add ons as yet as the problem is random, and just seems to
happen out of nowhere with no speech or speech only working in log in etc.
Here is the last log. You will note there is no indication of why after a
long wait nvda closed down and rebooted either.

INFO - __main__ (09:12:23.556):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.493):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.493):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.525):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True',
u'startupNotification': u'True', u'allowUsageStats': u'True',
u'askedAllowUsageStats': u'True'}, u'general':
{u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows',
u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True',
u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech':
{u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (3- BEHRINGER USB WDM ',
u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy',
u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'95'},
u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftD
aniel_Full_22kHz',
u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'70', u'pitch': u'49'}, u'mssp': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech
Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90',
u'rate': u'45'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice':
u'{BF5EAD40-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'100', u'pitch': u'26',
u'volume': u'54'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant':
u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume':

u'99'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80', u'rate': u'55',
u'pitch': u'40'}, u'dectalk': {u'voice': u'Frank', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch':

u'19', u'inflection': u'40'}}, u'braille': {u'messageTimeout': u'4',
u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True',
u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates':
{u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers':
{u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting':
{u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False',
u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False',
u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False',
u'reportAlignment': u'False', u'reportStyle': u'False',
u'reportFontAttributes': u'False', u'reportEmphasis': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'True'}, u'keyboard':
{u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey':
u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'},
u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1529135589'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x':
u'68', u'y': u'44', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays':
[u'(1920, 1080)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'audioThemes':
{u'speakRole': u'True'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'True'}} DEBUG
- core.main (09:12:24.539):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
NVDA version 2018.4rc1
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main
(09:12:24.539):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC
v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.555):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Found add-on Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Found add-on OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Found add-on textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toolbarsExplorer
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.607):
Found add-on toolbarsExplorer
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:24.647):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.700):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon dropbox added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.703):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not
found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.720):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.721):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO -
synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (09:12:24.763):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.063):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak
-English
(Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.069):
9 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:12:25.069):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:25.069):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.071):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:12:25.072):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.081):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (09:12:25.081):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:12:25.085):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.213):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.214):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.082):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.084):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (09:12:27.084):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.085):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.086):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.105):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:27.107):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:27.107):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.494):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30:
DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:62:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - Python warning
(09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:70:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (09:12:27.684):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (09:12:27.770):
application closed
IO - speech.speak (09:12:27.859):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'C:\\Users\\Brian\\Desktop\\DevLinks']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale
(09:12:27.861):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:12:28.301):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 486, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audi
oThemes\__init__.py",
line 125, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\foc
usHighlight.py",
line 462, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 961, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 849, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 401, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 337, in speakObjectProperties
File "speech.pyo", line 445, in speakText
File "speech.pyo", line 568, in speak
File "speech.pyo", line 80, in processText
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 637, in processSpeechSymbols
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 44, in fetchLocaleData
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 516, in __init__
File "re.pyo", line 194, in compile
File "re.pyo", line 249, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 576, in compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 561, in _code
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 151, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 78, in _compile
File "sre_parse.pyo", line 145, in __getitem__

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1688 (explorer.exe) (09:12:29.595):
Thread 708, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.055):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.543):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.200):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.727):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.792):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Windows Explorer dialog Windows
Explorer has stopped working\nA problem caused the program to stop working
correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.'] IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Close program button ALT+C'] IO -
speech.speak (09:12:43.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:43.240):
Input: kb(desktop):space
INFO - core.main (09:12:43.273):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating global plugin handler


Not sure if its just a windows 7 thing though. Obviously, I'd need to go
back to the last beta to figure out if there has been a change. Without the
error noise enabled on the RC there was no indication of a problem first.

Brian

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Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, I confirm.
You can install in a NVDA portable, in a PEN, the drivers and voices addons and activate the license for that PEN...

That way you can use the PEN in any computer with Vocalizer voices...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 13:30 de 11/12/2018, Richard Wells escreveu:

From what I have been reading, Tiflotecnia, unlike Code Factory allows portable versions of NVDA to use their voices. Could Rui confirm or refute this as their copy protection is not as draconian?
On 12/11/2018 5:31 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:
it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.

On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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Re: Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

I believe that was created by Andre Louis. It's still available, but I don't use it because it's outdated.

On 12/11/2018 08:25, Robert Kingett wrote:

Someone made a blind pre configured Miranda NG but it was before they dramatically updated their databases. I can send the old one I have via dropbox or something but don't know how to get it to work after checking for updates. If anybody can re-package it and update it, whatever, I will be more than happy to host it. PM me or reply here if interested on fixing the blind version of Miranda NG.


Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Richard Wells
 

From what I have been reading, Tiflotecnia, unlike Code Factory allows portable versions of NVDA to use their voices. Could Rui confirm or refute this as their copy protection is not as draconian?

On 12/11/2018 5:31 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:
it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.

On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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Re: Miranda NG improved their discord support

 

Someone made a blind pre configured Miranda NG but it was before they dramatically updated their databases. I can send the old one I have via dropbox or something but don't know how to get it to work after checking for updates. If anybody can re-package it and update it, whatever, I will be more than happy to host it. PM me or reply here if interested on fixing the blind version of Miranda NG.


Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Am running it too. No regressions encountered so far. Smooth sailing.
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Dez. 2018 um 13:54 Uhr schrieb Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com>:


I must agree with this wish I could switch to beta version or whatever
from inside NVDA.

On 12/11/18, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@comcast.net> wrote:
I installed rc1 and so far so good. Nice job guys.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its
released you will be on stable release that means you need to change
versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of
nvda.
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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement
but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc
about
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Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Lenron
 

I must agree with this wish I could switch to beta version or whatever
from inside NVDA.

On 12/11/18, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@comcast.net> wrote:
I installed rc1 and so far so good. Nice job guys.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its
released you will be on stable release that means you need to change
versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of
nvda.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement
but
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Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

This update is only to make the addons compatible with the new Alpha versions of NVDA.

If you use stable versions of NVDA, you don't need to update.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 08:40 de 11/12/2018, kavein thran escreveu:

it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.
On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 22:25 de 10/12/2018, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
the new version is released before we can use them? Thanks.

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Re: RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

Adriani Botez
 

Hi Brian,

please try to disable audiotheme 3d and focus highlight and see if the issue
still occurs. I tend to think that it is caused by focus gighlight but am
not very sure.

Best
Adriani



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An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

This is the third such crash today in control panel etc. I have not tried
disabling the add ons as yet as the problem is random, and just seems to
happen out of nowhere with no speech or speech only working in log in etc.
Here is the last log. You will note there is no indication of why after a
long wait nvda closed down and rebooted either.

INFO - __main__ (09:12:23.556):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.493):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.493):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.525):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True',
u'startupNotification': u'True', u'allowUsageStats': u'True',
u'askedAllowUsageStats': u'True'}, u'general':
{u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows',
u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True',
u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech':
{u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (3- BEHRINGER USB WDM ',
u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy',
u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'95'},
u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftD
aniel_Full_22kHz',
u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'70', u'pitch': u'49'}, u'mssp': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech
Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90',
u'rate': u'45'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice':
u'{BF5EAD40-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'100', u'pitch': u'26',
u'volume': u'54'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant':
u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume':

u'99'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80', u'rate': u'55',
u'pitch': u'40'}, u'dectalk': {u'voice': u'Frank', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch':

u'19', u'inflection': u'40'}}, u'braille': {u'messageTimeout': u'4',
u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True',
u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates':
{u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers':
{u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting':
{u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False',
u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False',
u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False',
u'reportAlignment': u'False', u'reportStyle': u'False',
u'reportFontAttributes': u'False', u'reportEmphasis': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'True'}, u'keyboard':
{u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey':
u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'},
u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1529135589'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x':
u'68', u'y': u'44', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays':
[u'(1920, 1080)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'audioThemes':
{u'speakRole': u'True'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'True'}} DEBUG
- core.main (09:12:24.539):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
NVDA version 2018.4rc1
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main
(09:12:24.539):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC
v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.555):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Found add-on Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Found add-on OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Found add-on textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toolbarsExplorer
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.607):
Found add-on toolbarsExplorer
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:24.647):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.700):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon dropbox added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:24.703):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not
found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.720):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.721):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO -
synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (09:12:24.763):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.063):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak
-English
(Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.069):
9 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:12:25.069):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:25.069):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.071):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:12:25.072):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.081):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (09:12:25.081):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:12:25.085):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.213):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.214):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.082):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.084):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (09:12:27.084):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.085):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.086):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.105):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:27.107):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main
(09:12:27.107):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.494):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30:
DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float DEBUGWARNING -
Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:62:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - Python warning
(09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audio
Themes\__init__.py:70:
DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (09:12:27.684):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (09:12:27.770):
application closed
IO - speech.speak (09:12:27.859):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'C:\\Users\\Brian\\Desktop\\DevLinks']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale
(09:12:27.861):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:12:28.301):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 486, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audi
oThemes\__init__.py",
line 125, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\foc
usHighlight.py",
line 462, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 961, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 849, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 401, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 337, in speakObjectProperties
File "speech.pyo", line 445, in speakText
File "speech.pyo", line 568, in speak
File "speech.pyo", line 80, in processText
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 637, in processSpeechSymbols
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 44, in fetchLocaleData
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 516, in __init__
File "re.pyo", line 194, in compile
File "re.pyo", line 249, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 576, in compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 561, in _code
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 151, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 78, in _compile
File "sre_parse.pyo", line 145, in __getitem__

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1688 (explorer.exe) (09:12:29.595):
Thread 708, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.055):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.543):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.200):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.727):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.792):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Windows Explorer dialog Windows
Explorer has stopped working\nA problem caused the program to stop working
correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.'] IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Close program button ALT+C'] IO -
speech.speak (09:12:43.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:43.240):
Input: kb(desktop):space
INFO - core.main (09:12:43.273):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating global plugin handler


Not sure if its just a windows 7 thing though. Obviously, I'd need to go
back to the last beta to figure out if there has been a change. Without the
error noise enabled on the RC there was no indication of a problem first.

Brian

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Re: RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

Chris
 

And still the windows 10 mail app causes nvda to go silent, and the only way to restore speech is to restart nvda

This issue has been going on for years now, probably from the first release of windows 10, this has been going on for far too long now and has to be sorted asap, thank you

 


RC1. Random weird crashes of Explorer in windows 7

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This is the third such crash today in control panel etc. I have not tried disabling the add ons as yet as the problem is random, and just seems to happen out of nowhere with no speech or speech only working in log in etc.
Here is the last log. You will note there is no indication of why after a long wait nvda closed down and rebooted either.

INFO - __main__ (09:12:23.556):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.493):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.493):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:12:24.525):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True', u'startupNotification': u'True', u'allowUsageStats': u'True', u'askedAllowUsageStats': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'True', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (3- BEHRINGER USB WDM ', u'symbolLevel': u'100', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'95'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftDaniel_Full_22kHz', u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'70', u'pitch': u'49'}, u'mssp': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90', u'rate': u'45'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice': u'{BF5EAD40-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'100', u'pitch': u'26', u'volume': u'54'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'99'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80', u'rate': u'55', u'pitch': u'40'}, u'dectalk': {u'voice': u'Frank', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'19', u'inflection': u'40'}}, u'braille': {u'messageTimeout': u'4', u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'reportObjectDescriptions': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'False', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'False', u'reportStyle': u'False', u'reportFontAttributes': u'False', u'reportEmphasis': u'False', u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'True'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop', u'speakTypedWords': u'False'}, u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1529135589'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x': u'68', u'y': u'44', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays': [u'(1920, 1080)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'audioThemes': {u'speakRole': u'True'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'True'}}
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.539):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
NVDA version 2018.4rc1
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (09:12:24.539):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.555):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on applicationDictionary
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on AudioThemes3D
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on dropbox
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Found add-on fakeClipboardAnouncement
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.555):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.578):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.582):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.585):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Found add-on Mozilla
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.586):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.588):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Found add-on OpenLinkWith
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.589):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.591):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.595):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.598):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.601):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Found add-on textnav
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.604):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toolbarsExplorer
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:12:24.607):
Found add-on toolbarsExplorer
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:24.647):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.700):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon dropbox added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.700):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.701):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.703):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:24.720):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:24.720):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.720):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:24.721):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (09:12:24.763):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.063):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English (Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (09:12:25.069):
9 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:12:25.069):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.069):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.071):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (09:12:25.071):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:12:25.072):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.072):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.081):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (09:12:25.081):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:25.082):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:12:25.085):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.213):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1612 (dwm.exe) (09:12:26.214):
Thread 4784, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69:
SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5

DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.082):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.084):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (09:12:27.084):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.085):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.086):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.105):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (09:12:27.107):
Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.107):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.107):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.108):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (09:12:27.109):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (09:12:27.494):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py:62: DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (09:12:27.506):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py:70: DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (09:12:27.684):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (09:12:27.684):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (09:12:27.770):
application closed
IO - speech.speak (09:12:27.859):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'C:\\Users\\Brian\\Desktop\\DevLinks']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (09:12:27.861):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:12:28.301):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 486, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py", line 125, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 462, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 961, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 849, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 401, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 337, in speakObjectProperties
File "speech.pyo", line 445, in speakText
File "speech.pyo", line 568, in speak
File "speech.pyo", line 80, in processText
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 637, in processSpeechSymbols
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 44, in fetchLocaleData
File "characterProcessing.pyo", line 516, in __init__
File "re.pyo", line 194, in compile
File "re.pyo", line 249, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 576, in compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 561, in _code
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 151, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 192, in _compile
File "sre_compile.pyo", line 78, in _compile
File "sre_parse.pyo", line 145, in __getitem__

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1688 (explorer.exe) (09:12:29.595):
Thread 708, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp, IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.055):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:31.543):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.200):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:32.727):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.792):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Windows Explorer dialog Windows Explorer has stopped working\nA problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available.']
IO - speech.speak (09:12:32.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Close program button ALT+C']
IO - speech.speak (09:12:43.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:12:43.240):
Input: kb(desktop):space
INFO - core.main (09:12:43.273):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (09:12:43.273):
Terminating global plugin handler


Not sure if its just a windows 7 thing though. Obviously, I'd need to go back to the last beta to figure out if there has been a change. Without the error noise enabled on the RC there was no indication of a problem first.

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Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

Gary Metzler
 

I installed rc1 and so far so good. Nice job guys.

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Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its
released you will be on stable release that means you need to change
versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of nvda.
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I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc about
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Re: New Vocalizer and Vocalizer-Expressive addons from Tiflotecnia

kavein thran
 

it should be noted there is no update of voice as there is no newer
voices, so no point in getting this update.

On 12/11/18, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonderful. No doubt this update was created to try to get new users. Still,
this is a good step.

Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

It means that they are compatible with 2018.4 and with the current Alpha
version.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


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What do you mean by all alpha versions of NVDA? Are the driver and
voices compatilbe with the current version, or do we need to wait until
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Re: tutorial for using a physical mouse

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Yes I notice this, particularly when you need to pass over something in a given direction to make things happen or be able to use the mouse in one spot but read elsewhere.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tutorial for using a physical mouse


I don't know the technical aspects of this but as I understand it, when you move the mouse with NVDA and click it using NVDA, you are performing the same functions differently. But if that is so, why are there some things you can't make do something when you click the NVDA mouse function? There seems to be some difference. Is there any way to work on that to make the NVDA mouse and the physical mouse do exactly the same thing?

This is the case with other screen-readers as well.

Gene
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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tutorial for using a physical mouse


Using a physical mouse is quite challenging, however, there are usually alternative ways of doing what you would have done with the mouse.


I would recommend the Basic Training for NVDA to learn to use the key ways:
- Windows keystrokes for things which have a built-in keyboard methods of accessing.
- NVDA keystrokes for functionality provided by the screen-reader.
- Object navigation and the Review Cursor: NVDA's comprehensive way of accessing items on screen which can't be otherwise accessed with the keyboard.


Object navigation is one of the big tools here, while the keys themselves are available from the User Guide https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA they are quite complex and not necessarily obvious to a new user, which is particularly why I would recommend the training material as being a worthwhile investment for most users.


Coming back to the original question, and the other way of moving the mouse, is via the keyboard, either using Windows' built-in mousekeys accessibility feature, or via the NVDA add-on Golden Cursor (which essentially provides similar functionality to mousekeys but with many more options): https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html


Kind regards


Quentin.


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Are there any instructions that will help a total use a physical mouse with efficiency?






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Re: tutorial for using a physical mouse

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Are there any instructions that will help a total use a physical mouse with efficiency?


Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

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As I just said, It would be nice if the update route could be selected in nvda, much as you can in other software, ie the channel in Firefox etc.

Then you can see at a glance the versions and third dates and decide. Might make more people actually want to test. Assuming that some problems are solved about downdating, one could go back if one needed to get add on compatibility back as may happen in the future pending orphaned add ons.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


Thanks Brian,

Here is the announcement:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4rc1-released/

"Release Candidate 1 of NVDA 2018.4 is now available for download and
testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2018.4 has to
offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta
and provide feedback. This is a release candidate, meaning that unless any
critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.4
release."

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-4rc1-released/


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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement but
anyone on the beta Snaps will have been sent it today.

I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc
about
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Re: NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released

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Yes but not everyone is on the beta. The sad thing is that when its released you will be on stable release that means you need to change versions deliberately. Pity such a choice is not in the update part of nvda.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4 RC1 released


I saw it in the check for update menu and downloaded it from there.



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Just in case nobody has said it. I will. I cannot see the announcement but
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I'll leave it up to the usual folk to fill in the where and what etc about
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Re: very nice quote

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Ah but is the glass half full or half empty?
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Subject: [nvda] very nice quote


A very nice quote Brian!

Pascal



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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I configure NVDA to speak nothing? #advisory



On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:59 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

you can have the functionality or not, using an add-on to achieve one state

I consider the "directionality" of the add-on, whether activating or deactivating the feature, to be irrelevant. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. I'd far rather see focus on functionality that does not currently exist.

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Re: tutorial for using a physical mouse

 

As often as I've encouraged the use of the physical mouse for "quick and dirty" checking of what's on the screen if you suspect that you have a page that's not particularly accessible, given the number of years I've been tutoring JAWS I would never suggest that a blind user even try to use the mouse to do most of the things that a sighted person does with it.  Trying to do so usually is more difficult than using screen reader commands to do many "mousing" tasks.

I do, however, encourage laptop users to allow their mousepad to remain active so they have access to actual left and right click, but to cover the tracking area so that they are not accidentally moving the mouse.  It has several advantages:
  • giving you an actual left and right click button which you can easily and safely use.  Right click is preferable to SHIFT+F10 on machines lacking the applications/menu key and left click generally works just like (or sometimes better than) the screen reader left click command does.
  • making it very easy, when you wish a sighted person to assist, for them to uncover the tracking area and have instant access to the full mouse functionality
The Golden Cursor add-on is the closest I've ever seen to anything accurately mimicking physical mouse behavior, and for pages where objects are static that require a lot of "point and click" behavior it can be a great help.

I have also done "rigged mice" where when they were rollerball style, I would remove that rollerball so that the blind user could not accidentally move the mouse pointer, but had access to left and right click much as I describe it above for a mousepad on a laptop.  It's much easier to do now with optical mice as all one has to do is to tape over the little laser sensor on the bottom of the mouse (which also makes it easy to get back to "full mouse" function for a sighted assistant, too).

What it comes down to is that the ability to use the clicking function comes in handy on many occasions.  Pointing, not so much, since you really do need to be able to see to do that quickly and efficiently.

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Re: How can I configure NVDA to speak nothing? #advisory

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's not broken here. I hear the beeps when text and stuff scrols.

Take care

On 10 Dec 2018, at 17:33, Travis Siegel wrote:

I'm not talking about the speech beeps add-on either.  If you use the nvda-S key to switch to beeps mode, I get no sound at all, that means, no beeps, no speech, no nothing at all when text is scrolling.  This is not expected behavior, so that's why I said the feature appears to be broken.

On 12/10/2018 5:11 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote: > I maybe didn't make it clear enough!   sorry my bad!   I am not > talking about the speech beeps addon I was talking about the beeps > that ere built in to Nvda. > > On 10/12/2018 04:33, Travis Siegel wrote: >> I don't get any beeps at all in the command prompt when text is >> scrolling, so either the beeps mode doesn't work in the command >> prompt, or my beeps are broken. >> >> >> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, Roger Stewart wrote: >> >>> There is no need for speech mode beeps to do this. You can >>> configure nvda to just beep when it is downloading a file and the >>> higher the pitch of the beeps, the more progress has been made in >>> the download. This can also be set to off, beep, and also beep and >>> speak and in the case of speak, it will just speak the percentage >>> downloaded at regular intervals. >>> >>> Roger >>> >> >> >> > > > >