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Re: Firefox browsing bug in NVDA 2018.4
Quentin Christensen
With NVDA running, the easiest way to get the log is to first ensure you have repeated the steps to cause the problem, then press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer, CONTROL+A to select all, CONTROL+C to copy and then come to an email and CONTROL+V to paste. Before doing that, if you set NVDA's log level to debug, it gives us the most information - you can do that by pressing NVDA+CONTROL+G to go to the general settings, TAB to log level and select DEBUG, then press ENTER. Then do the steps which cause problems before opening the log and copying it to send. Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:36 PM Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
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Re: Firefox browsing bug in NVDA 2018.4
Kwork
All the above has been done. Restarting computer, restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, using updater to make sure all is up to date. How do I generate and get you the log? Travis
On 12/17/2018 4:23 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4
Quentin Christensen
David, Sorry for not replying. I didn't see anything obvious initially in looking at your logs and set them aside to have a closer look at. I'll have another look today. Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:06 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
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Re: Firefox browsing bug in NVDA 2018.4
Kwork
I believe I have restarted since, but will try all suggested
suggestions now just in case.
On 12/17/2018 4:23 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: Firefox browsing bug in NVDA 2018.4
Kwork
Thank you Abby. With the lack of responses to my question, I figured it was somewhat isolated to me. If you don't mind experimenting a bit with your installation, go to the official NVDA site: The main page will be good enough as it's site wide for me. Use the headings shortcut, the letter h, to go down a couple headings. From there, and it doesn't matter if you do it immediately, or up and down arrow a bit, tab once. If you hear the following words, NV Access Empowering lives through non-visual access to technology You'll know that you've been returned to the top of the page. Any other response means that you're not reproducing the same thing I am here. Thank you. Travis
On 12/17/2018 3:59 PM, Abbie Taylor
wrote:
I'm afraid I'm not reproducing this here, either, at least not on the groups.io page for this message. After reading the message, I was able to press Tab to get to the Reply button, then Tab a few more times to get to the edit field where I'm now typing my reply. However, I noticed earlier while proofing a post on my blog at https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com, when I pressed Tab within the post, it took me to the top of the post. I updated my NVDA just yesterday, so will see what develops.
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Re: Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4
Tyler Spivey
You can run both versions and test them. If you see a difference, then
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there is one.
On 12/17/2018 6:06 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
My guess is that nobody else is experiencing this issue as I'm seeing no
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Re: Glad iTunes is working well with NVDA 2018.4
Kwork
What is column browser? Thanks.
On 12/17/2018 1:03 PM, Lino Morales
wrote:
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Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4
David Goldfield
My guess is that nobody else is experiencing this issue as I'm seeing no other posts about this. When I navigate by links with K or shift K in Thunderbird and even, to an extent, in Chrome I notice a slight slowdown in responsiveness compared to 2018.3. For a short time I thought it was my computer as I was sometimes seeing this occur in 2018.3.2 but,
in general, 2018.3.2 is still somewhat faster. I sent Quentin a debug file with all addons disabled but I'm assuming there was nothing obvious in the output as I haven't heard back. I notice this with Espeak. On a faster machine I do not notice this but on
a slower Athlon 2.9 GHZ there is a slight but noticeable difference. Just wondering if anybody has noticed this and if something changed in the code regarding navigation? --
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
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Re: Problem installing latest update
Gene
In Windows 7, UAC always plays a sound when it
comes up. I would think that would be the case in
Windows 10 as well. Even if a screen-reader doesn't read it until you do certain things to cause it to read, if you listen for the sound when you begin to do something such as install something that is expected to cause UAC to come up, that would, I would think, make things easier and faster. If you hear the sound, you shouldn't have to do anything, whether your screen-reader reads the dialog or not, except to issue the command alt y. I use NVDA on my Windows 7 machine as a portable program. It can't read the UAC command for technical reasons I won't go into here and don't completely know. But the sound plays every time. I just answer alt y. Gene
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From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem installing latest
update I don't know if it's because it didn't take the first time, or if it jut needed two yes responses, but I suspect it's the first option, because I've had that issue before. I can't see much, but I can tell when the security screen comes up, because it's dark, and the rest of my screens are very light, so when it comes, I hit alt-y, and away it goes, but perhaps I hit alt-y too early, so had to do it again, but that was the only trouble I had installing NVDA 2018.4. It was a bit slow at first, until I closed VLC, after that, it rturned to normal response times. Don't know if it's a result of it just being VLC, or if it was a result of my having had that particular copy of VLC open for nearly a week on this machine, and it was just being a resource hot at that point, but regardless of the reason, it behaved normally after I closed it, so there itis for what it's worth. I haven't tried reopening VLC just yet, as I'm not ready to continue reading that particular book. On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Quentin Christensen wrote: > Hi Janet, > As Joseph asked, did you get the UAC dialog asking if you want to allow the > program to make changes to your PC? If you aren't seeing the UAC dialog, or > aren't responding to it, that would generate a log like the one you > included. See Joseph's message for a workaround. > > Kind regards > > Quentin. > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> > wrote: > > Hi, > > Hmmm, did you get any User Account Control prompt at all? > Sometimes, attempting an install after logging out and back in > resolves this and should give you a chance to say “Yes” when UAC > screen spears. > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of > Janet Brandly > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:55 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: [nvda] Problem installing latest update > > > > Hello again Quentin, > > > > Below is a copy of what the log viewer says. > > > > Janet > > > > INFO - __main__ (17:36:16.924): > > Starting NVDA > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.285): > > Config dir: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda > > INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:36:17.285): > > Loading config: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): > > NVDA version 2018.4 > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): > > Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): > > Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, > 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): > > Using comtypes version 1.1.3 > > INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): > > Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 > > INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:36:18.848): > > Loaded synthDriver oneCore > > INFO - core.main (17:36:18.855): > > Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 > > INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:36:18.865): > > Braille input initialized > > INFO - braille.initialize (17:36:18.865): > > Using liblouis version 3.7.0 > > INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:36:18.865): > > Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. > > WARNING - core.main (17:36:18.966): > > Java Access Bridge not available > > INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:36:18.996): > > UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5 > > INFO - core.main (17:36:19.979): > > NVDA initialized > > ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.710): > > Failed to execute installer > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall > > File "config\__init__.pyo", line 209, in execElevated > > File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx > > WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user. > > ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.759): > > Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the > user. > > > > From: Quentin Christensen > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:41 PM > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > > Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem installing latest update > > > > Hi Janet, > > > > We'll need a bit more information to help you. One of the most common > reasons is that when you run the installer, it brings up a User > Account Control (UAC) dialog. The dialog warns that the program wants > to make changes to your PC and you must accept it to continue. That's > a standard Windows warning when you install any software, but > occasionally it appears behind other windows. If the program is > installing (the progress bar is beeping) but you haven't answered that > dialog yet, try using ALT+TAB to find it (if it doesn't appear on top > of everything, it often appears at the back, as in the last window in > the list when you ALT+TAB). If you don't respond to it within about > 20 seconds, it will close and the install will fail. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Quentin. > > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:42 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> > wrote: > > Hello all, especially NVDA Support, > > > > I’m having a problem with the latest update. It seemed to > download OK after I got the prompt, but it wouldn’t install. It > asked me to review the log view which I did, but it doesn’t make > any sense to me. I looked for the software in my download folder > to install it manually, but it wasn’t there. Any help with this > would be much appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jan > > > > > > -- > > Quentin Christensen > Training and Support Manager > > > > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ > > > > www.nvaccess.org > > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess > Twitter: @NVAccess > > > > -- > Quentin Christensen > Training and Support Manager > > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification > now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ > > www.nvaccess.org > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess > Twitter: @NVAccess > > >
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Re: Problem installing latest update
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
For what it's worth, I had to answer alt-y to the security dialog twice. I don't know if it's because it didn't take the first time, or if it jut needed two yes responses, but I suspect it's the first option, because I've had that issue before. I can't see much, but I can tell when the security screen comes up, because it's dark, and the rest of my screens are very light, so when it comes, I hit alt-y, and away it goes, but perhaps I hit alt-y too early, so had to do it again, but that was the only trouble I had installing NVDA 2018.4. It was a bit slow at first, until I closed VLC, after that, it rturned to normal response times. Don't know if it's a result of it just being VLC, or if it was a result of my having had that particular copy of VLC open for nearly a week on this machine, and it was just being a resource hot at that point, but regardless of the reason, it behaved normally after I closed it, so there itis for what it's worth. I haven't tried reopening VLC just yet, as I'm not ready to continue reading that particular book.
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Janet,
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Re: Problem installing latest update
Quentin Christensen
Hi Janet, As Joseph asked, did you get the UAC dialog asking if you want to allow the program to make changes to your PC? If you aren't seeing the UAC dialog, or aren't responding to it, that would generate a log like the one you included. See Joseph's message for a workaround. Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: Problem installing latest update
Hi, Hmmm, did you get any User Account Control prompt at all? Sometimes, attempting an install after logging out and back in resolves this and should give you a chance to say “Yes” when UAC screen spears. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:55 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problem installing latest update
Hello again Quentin,
Below is a copy of what the log viewer says.
Janet
INFO - __main__ (17:36:16.924): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (17:36:17.285): Config dir: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:36:17.285): Loading config: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): NVDA version 2018.4 INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): Using comtypes version 1.1.3 INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:36:18.848): Loaded synthDriver oneCore INFO - core.main (17:36:18.855): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:36:18.865): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (17:36:18.865): Using liblouis version 3.7.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:36:18.865): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. WARNING - core.main (17:36:18.966): Java Access Bridge not available INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:36:18.996): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5 INFO - core.main (17:36:19.979): NVDA initialized ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.710): Failed to execute installer Traceback (most recent call last): File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall File "config\__init__.pyo", line 209, in execElevated File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user. ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.759): Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem installing latest update
Hi Janet,
We'll need a bit more information to help you. One of the most common reasons is that when you run the installer, it brings up a User Account Control (UAC) dialog. The dialog warns that the program wants to make changes to your PC and you must accept it to continue. That's a standard Windows warning when you install any software, but occasionally it appears behind other windows. If the program is installing (the progress bar is beeping) but you haven't answered that dialog yet, try using ALT+TAB to find it (if it doesn't appear on top of everything, it often appears at the back, as in the last window in the list when you ALT+TAB). If you don't respond to it within about 20 seconds, it will close and the install will fail.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:42 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Problem installing latest update
Janet Brandly
Hello again Quentin,
Below is a copy of what the log viewer says.
Janet
INFO - __main__ (17:36:16.924):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.285):
Config dir: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:36:17.285):
Loading config: C:\Users\Janet\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332):
NVDA version 2018.4
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (17:36:17.332):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:36:18.848):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (17:36:18.855):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:36:18.865):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (17:36:18.865):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:36:18.865):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (17:36:18.966):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:36:18.996):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (17:36:19.979):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.710):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 209, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (17:40:34.759):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
user.
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem installing latest
update Hi Janet,
We'll need a bit more information to help you. One of the most common
reasons is that when you run the installer, it brings up a User Account Control
(UAC) dialog. The dialog warns that the program wants to make changes to
your PC and you must accept it to continue. That's a standard Windows
warning when you install any software, but occasionally it appears behind other
windows. If the program is installing (the progress bar is beeping) but
you haven't answered that dialog yet, try using ALT+TAB to find it (if it
doesn't appear on top of everything, it often appears at the back, as in the
last window in the list when you ALT+TAB). If you don't respond to it
within about 20 seconds, it will close and the install will fail.
Kind regards
Quentin. On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:42 AM Janet Brandly
<jbrandly@...> wrote:
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification
now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Problem installing latest update
Janet Brandly
Hi Quentin,
Thanks for the response. I tried reinstalling the update and it failed
again. I alt-tabbed periodically throughout the set-up process and the dialog
didn’t show. I just got the
error message advising me that the installation
had failed and to check the log viewer. Any other suggestions? If it would help,
I could send you a copy of what the log viewer says. Another thing, I installed
the update through the “check for updates” under the Help menu in the NVDA
control panel.
Janet
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem installing latest
update Hi Janet,
We'll need a bit more information to help you. One of the most common
reasons is that when you run the installer, it brings up a User Account Control
(UAC) dialog. The dialog warns that the program wants to make changes to
your PC and you must accept it to continue. That's a standard Windows
warning when you install any software, but occasionally it appears behind other
windows. If the program is installing (the progress bar is beeping) but
you haven't answered that dialog yet, try using ALT+TAB to find it (if it
doesn't appear on top of everything, it often appears at the back, as in the
last window in the list when you ALT+TAB). If you don't respond to it
within about 20 seconds, it will close and the install will fail.
Kind regards
Quentin. On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:42 AM Janet Brandly
<jbrandly@...> wrote:
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification
now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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I just received nvda 2018.4
molly the blind tech lover
Hey guys, Molly here again. As the subject line says, I just received nvda version 2018.4. I’m excited to check out all the new features, including the reporting of reply/forward of messages in outlook. That will probably be my favorite feature because I use outlook all the time. I can’t wait to see what else is new.
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Re: using Emoji
Quentin Christensen
Traditional SMS text messages I think can only contain text, as in only original ASCII characters. Most phones and networks automatically convert messages with emoji (or with photos attached etc) to MMS messages in order to send them. For E-Mail, I haven't looked lately, but the same may apply for sending "plain text" messages.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:32 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote: I am finding the insertion of Emoji into a Email works only part of the --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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using Emoji
Don H
I am finding the insertion of Emoji into a Email works only part of the time. If sending a text message to a phone it only works if it is a mms message.
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Re: Firefox browsing bug in NVDA 2018.4
Quentin Christensen
Have you restarted the computer after installing / updating NVDA? It's amazing some of the weird things that happen when everything else is working seemingly normally in that period between updating and restarting. If you've done that, are you using any add-ons? If so, are they up to date (Joseph made an add-on updater which is an add-on to check for out of date add-ons which can help with that). Next, try restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if that helps. Failing all that, if you could send me a copy of your log, I can have a look. Kind regards Quentin.
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote: When on a webpage, and any page at nvaccess.org will work, tabbing to --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: dectalk express u s b
larry k <sirlaurence.larry@...>
can you send me your drivers?
thanks
larry
From: Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 16:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dectalk express u s b I remember trying this one several years ago. It
works, but it is very full of bugs and does several weird things. The person who
made it seems to have disappeared and guess isn't interested in developing it
much further. Too bad. I have an old Dec Talk Express that is originally a
serial device, but I have a serial to USB adapter. It is recognized and says it
is working properly so there's nothing I can do about it here.
Roger
On 12/17/2018 3:07 PM, larry k wrote:
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Re: Emoji panel
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Don
If you check out the following web page on my website there is a ttutorial on how to select them etc and put them into a email or word processor.
There were changes in the latest version with nvda and windows 10 which changes how you navigate that same panel etc which i have written up but not posted yet it also needs about the synth been supported etc that one I can also post up there later on tonight on the same page.
I have some other material to go up there just needed some time to do it.
|the page it is on is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html Just jump down to the section about them. It does not as mentioned have the latest navigation for it and synth but will tonight.
Gene nz
On 18/12/2018 11:13 AM, Don H wrote:
Is there a totorial as how to use the Emoji panel in Win 10? I know how to open it but how do you select and place the Emoji in a Email? --
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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