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how far we have came

Don H
 

I am old enough to have spent the first half of my career in Engineering before computers. Got my first PC in 1987. Had to laugh at myself this morning because I was getting flustrated by trying to get the use of Emojis to work consistently when backin 1987 it was sometimes difficult to get anything computer to work consistently. If the only thing I have to be flustrated about is the use of Emojis things in my computer world must be pretty darn good. Thanks goes to all the developers of NVDA.


Re: OCR

Giles Turnbull
 

At £99 in the UK, it isn't cheap, but I've used ABBYY Fine Reader 12 for three years and love it. My only wish is that it would OCR to something other than Word ... I use Office so that's not a problem, but just OCRing to plain text is, in most cases, all I need to do.

Giles


Re: Reading emoticons and Kazakh language for eSpeak NG

Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@...>
 

I also noticed that some emoticons are pronounced only when if you
move the cursor arrows on it, as if you want to read the previous or
the next character. And if you read, using the up and down arrows,
they are not pronounced, only the word "Graphics" is pronounced.

2018-12-18 15:07 GMT+03:00, Adil Uralbaev via Groups.Io
<adiluralbaev=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hi!
Smileys are not pronounced on sites. I noticed this when I
corresponded on social networks. I would like this bug to be fixed.
In the version of NVDA 2018.3.2 everything worked.

2018-12-18 14:45 GMT+03:00, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>:
Hi Adil,

Could you give an example of an emoji that isn't working, or a page that
has one etc?

When you say in the previous version, could you please confirm, do you
mean
2018.3.2, or one of the alpha / beta / rc releases?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello.
Speech synthesizers do not pronounce some smilies that are written in
Unicode. In the previous version there were no such problems.
Everything was read correctly.
And I want to thank you for the support of the Kazakh language for
eSpeak NG. I hope you will continue to work on this language.
Waiting for fixis in reading emoticons.
Thanks!
Sincerely, Adil.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess






Re: dectalk express u s b

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Can one still purchase a dectalk usb?

----- Original Message -----
From: larry k
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] dectalk express u s b

it seems that it will work using the serial port using an adapter from u s b, but it will not work directly from a u s b connection.
I wish someone would correct this as I’d like to use the dectalk
larry


Re: Keystroke for on-the-fly reading and interacting with Windows10 alerts?

Gerardo Corripio
 

And what is about a batch command file command? this sounds like something I’d like to try. I imagine it’s compatible with NVDA as well? and with both 32 and 64 bytes Windows?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 18 dic 2018, a la(s) 3:49 a. m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> escribió:

This is a relative new mess Dropbox has created. Ther buttons do not show up and the message itself is seldon one alt tab away from where you are. All I do know though is that if you delete stuff with a command file ie batch file this problem never arrises.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 12:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Keystroke for on-the-fly reading and interacting with Windows10 alerts?


Might there be an NVDA keystroke, or AddOn I’m not aware of, that’ll let me go on the fly to an alert (Dropbox for instance, when it asks if you want to remove the file or files from everywhere during a deleting of)? Shift+Alt+tab and Alt+Tab to try and get to these alerts can sometimes be a hit and miss affaire. Thanks for info.

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10





Re: added some applications to the wiki

 

At some point, I will fork this wiki and make my own open sourced wiki with categories like, communication, tools, and otherwise. But Github is not really designed for making websites, so, as of now, your page is the easiest. I like github because I can just sign in and edit whenever I see something that needs editing on someone elses page. LOL!


Re: Reading emoticons and Kazakh language for eSpeak NG

Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@...>
 

Hi!
Smileys are not pronounced on sites. I noticed this when I
corresponded on social networks. I would like this bug to be fixed.
In the version of NVDA 2018.3.2 everything worked.

2018-12-18 14:45 GMT+03:00, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>:

Hi Adil,

Could you give an example of an emoji that isn't working, or a page that
has one etc?

When you say in the previous version, could you please confirm, do you mean
2018.3.2, or one of the alpha / beta / rc releases?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello.
Speech synthesizers do not pronounce some smilies that are written in
Unicode. In the previous version there were no such problems.
Everything was read correctly.
And I want to thank you for the support of the Kazakh language for
eSpeak NG. I hope you will continue to work on this language.
Waiting for fixis in reading emoticons.
Thanks!
Sincerely, Adil.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




Re: Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Congratulations! That is an outstanding accomplishment.

On December 18, 2018 1:55:34 AM "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi guys,


I received confirmation a couple of days ago that NVDA was going to be installed across the Christchurch City library network. Today, I have just received confirmation via email from the person rolling it out that it has officially been rolled out! I thought it was going to be rolled out early next year, but it looks like an early Christmas present for Christchurch!

There are parts of the message below:

So … the install of NVDA version 2018.3.2 is completed on our public computers.


I aI’m happy to tell you that we have 19 libraries which all have at least one free internet computer each;

·      A total of 225 free internet computers across the Christchurch City Libraries network

In addition to this we have the following types of public computers which we will also install NVDA on as part of the rollout

·      20 Childrens PCs; 30 Family History PCs; 120 Learning Centre Lab PCs


This means that NVDA is now installed at 19 libraries across Christchurch! (This is about 390 computers which are to be updated annually from now on).

https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5895


In the link to the FAQ page (which says about accessibility options on their computers), NVDA is now on that list! You can not start it with a shortcut, however you can still start it quite easily through the search box by typing in NVDA and pressing Enter. The Windows log on option has been disabled. This is where it says Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen.


Please spread the word if you know of anyone who would find this useful when visiting Christchurch City Libraries! This is not just for blind and vision impaired, but may also assist people who have dyslexia or are ESOL.


Regards,

Gene NZ


On 22/10/2018 1:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and the very first incarnation was put together by an Ex Dolphin writer.
I think the problem is that Microsoft are  concentrating on their software, having no control over the actual software in use. They would then be playing catch up just like the other screenreaders on 3rd party applications.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals


True, although Doug Geoffray, the guy behind the EX Window-Eyes is working on Narrator actually along with Jeff bishop, a former Window-Eyes scripter, and others.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Narrator in Windows 10 is considerably more capable from discussions I've seen here than Narrator on Windows 7.  I have Windows 7.  Narrator is just the shell of a screen-reader in that version of Windows, alright for emergencies where you lose the use of a competent screen-reader for some reason but it would be next to useless on a public terminal because it is next to useless everywhere.



also, I know that Narrator is moving toward using more standard screen-reader commands in Windows 10.  I don't know how far that move has gone but I would think that a lot more screen-reader users would regularly use NVDA.  There is a certain level of reasonable access and reasonable standardization and unless Narrator has changed very dramatically recently in Windows 10, it doesn't meet those needs.  Plus, from discussions I've seen here, Narrator is limited to Microsoft programs in terms of providing reasonable or something like reasonable access.  Unless these public terminals provide only Microsoft programs, that is another area of inaccessibility when using Narrator.  The blind user would be either fully or mostly limited to Microsoft programs on the machine.  If the machine has other programs on it, it appears from discussions I've seen on list, that Narrator wouldn't work adequately, if at all.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ... <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Hi guys,



I got asked this question about the advantages of NVDA over Narrator on public terminals where ever these may be...



I am talking about public terminals that the sighted can use where ever these may be. Places like libraries, information centres airports (where these terminals are) as well etcetera. The commercial screen readers are not in the picture because of price.



The question is below:



" My question to you is what advantages would it give our blind or visually impaired customers having both Windows 10 Narrator and NVDA available to use on public computers? I would be interested in supporting installing it at if there were advantages and we could work thru any technical issues. Let me know what you think".



This same question could also come up at any IT department that is approached to install NVDA to a public terminal (where ever these may be). The above is used as an example.

I am guessing that for any technical information - that could be pointed towards the developers of the NVDA project.



They could be using a windows 7 machine right up to Windows 10.



Looking forward to your feedback on advantages of NVDA over Narrator. Thanks everyone.



Gene NZ





--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Reading emoticons and Kazakh language for eSpeak NG

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Adil,

Could you give an example of an emoji that isn't working, or a page that has one etc?

When you say in the previous version, could you please confirm, do you mean 2018.3.2, or one of the alpha / beta / rc releases?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@...> wrote:
Hello.
Speech synthesizers do not pronounce some smilies that are written in
Unicode. In the previous version there were no such problems.
Everything was read correctly.
And I want to thank you for the support of the Kazakh language for
eSpeak NG. I hope you will continue to work on this language.
Waiting for fixis in reading emoticons.
Thanks!
Sincerely, Adil.





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: dectalk express u s b

larry k <sirlaurence.larry@...>
 

speech synth doesn't show up in th e list.
so can't give report on log viewer..

-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 20:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dectalk express u s b

What errors do you get when you load the synth?
Does anything show up at the end of the log (accessed with log viewer
after you load it)?

On 12/17/2018 6:27 PM, larry k wrote:
it seems that it will work using the serial port using an adapter from u
s b, but it will not work directly from a u s b connection.
I wish someone would correct this as I’d like to use the dectalk
larry


Reading emoticons and Kazakh language for eSpeak NG

Adil Uralbaev <adiluralbaev@...>
 

Hello.
Speech synthesizers do not pronounce some smilies that are written in
Unicode. In the previous version there were no such problems.
Everything was read correctly.
And I want to thank you for the support of the Kazakh language for
eSpeak NG. I hope you will continue to work on this language.
Waiting for fixis in reading emoticons.
Thanks!
Sincerely, Adil.


Re: dectalk express u s b

larry k <sirlaurence.larry@...>
 

I get no errors, as far as the log viewer, I'll check it out

-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 20:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dectalk express u s b

What errors do you get when you load the synth?
Does anything show up at the end of the log (accessed with log viewer
after you load it)?

On 12/17/2018 6:27 PM, larry k wrote:
it seems that it will work using the serial port using an adapter from u
s b, but it will not work directly from a u s b connection.
I wish someone would correct this as I’d like to use the dectalk
larry


Re: Season's greetings

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Happy Christmas, Quentin and everyone on the list.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Season's greetings

 

Thank you Clive,

 

And a Merry Christmas to you and everyone on the list from NV Access and myself as well!

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 9:51 AM Clive Pallett <clive.pallett@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

Wishing you all on the list all the best for the season, whatever your celebrations.

 

Best wishes,

 

Clive Pallett

 

 


 

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: Problem installing latest update

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The download I think goes to the temp folder. Not quite sure about this question you were asked. I never saw anything like this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problem installing latest update


Hello all, especially NVDA Support,

I’m having a problem with the latest update. It seemed to download OK after I got the prompt, but it wouldn’t install. It asked me to review the log view which I did, but it doesn’t make any sense to me. I looked for the software in my download folder to install it manually, but it wasn’t there. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

Thank you,

Jan


Re: Keystroke for on-the-fly reading and interacting with Windows10 alerts?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This is a relative new mess Dropbox has created. Ther buttons do not show up and the message itself is seldon one alt tab away from where you are. All I do know though is that if you delete stuff with a command file ie batch file this problem never arrises.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 12:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Keystroke for on-the-fly reading and interacting with Windows10 alerts?


Might there be an NVDA keystroke, or AddOn I’m not aware of, that’ll let me go on the fly to an alert (Dropbox for instance, when it asks if you want to remove the file or files from everywhere during a deleting of)? Shift+Alt+tab and Alt+Tab to try and get to these alerts can sometimes be a hit and miss affaire. Thanks for info.

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10




Re: Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi,


I guess you do not run a huge network like they do, and you are not having to worry about security of a network of that size. I could not see them updating NVDA 4 times a year on 400 computers every 3 months.


It is not a home network which of course you could update more regularly and also use add ons etc. I know that on the APNK network you can use your portable stable signed version which might be more up to date.


Your alternative  I guess is Narrator for places who do not have NVDA. I applaud Christchurch City Libraries for their initiative to enhance accessibility for those who need audio on a computer.

I have not asked them about portable access yet. I think it is better to have a slightly older version (which will be updated at least yearly around February) that is stable than none at all.


Gene NZ


On 18/12/2018 9:44 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well thats nice, but it would actually be good if the latest version was put on all computers, and maybe have it do it automatically same with addons used etc, point is we are now in to 2018.4 what is the use to have an old crappy version.

If 18.3.2 is only just going now, users will be out of date.

I guess it doesn't matter if they are all jaws users or havn't used nvda before, but its just that roling out nvda in its current form is a waste of time now.



On 12/18/2018 7:54 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys,


I received confirmation a couple of days ago that NVDA was going to be installed across the Christchurch City library network. Today, I have just received confirmation via email from the person rolling it out that it has officially been rolled out! I thought it was going to be rolled out early next year, but it looks like an early Christmas present for Christchurch!

There are parts of the message below:

So … the install of NVDA version 2018.3.2 is completed on our public computers.


I aI’m happy to tell you that we have 19 libraries which all have at least one free internet computer each;

·      A total of 225 free internet computers across the Christchurch City Libraries network
In addition to this we have the following types of public computers which we will also install NVDA on as part of the rollout

·      20 Childrens PCs; 30 Family History PCs; 120 Learning Centre Lab PCs


This means that NVDA is now installed at 19 libraries across Christchurch! (This is about 390 computers which are to be updated annually from now on).

https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5895


In the link to the FAQ page (which says about accessibility options on their computers), NVDA is now on that list! You can not start it with a shortcut, however you can still start it quite easily through the search box by typing in NVDA and pressing Enter. The Windows log on option has been disabled. This is where it says Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen.


Please spread the word if you know of anyone who would find this useful when visiting Christchurch City Libraries! This is not just for blind and vision impaired, but may also assist people who have dyslexia or are ESOL.


Regards,

Gene NZ


On 22/10/2018 1:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and the very first incarnation was put together by an Ex Dolphin writer.
I think the problem is that Microsoft are  concentrating on their software, having no control over the actual software in use. They would then be playing catch up just like the other screenreaders on 3rd party applications.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...><mailto:skyt@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals


True, although Doug Geoffray, the guy behind the EX Window-Eyes is working on Narrator actually along with Jeff bishop, a former Window-Eyes scripter, and others.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Narrator in Windows 10 is considerably more capable from discussions I've seen here than Narrator on Windows 7.  I have Windows 7.  Narrator is just the shell of a screen-reader in that version of Windows, alright for emergencies where you lose the use of a competent screen-reader for some reason but it would be next to useless on a public terminal because it is next to useless everywhere.



also, I know that Narrator is moving toward using more standard screen-reader commands in Windows 10.  I don't know how far that move has gone but I would think that a lot more screen-reader users would regularly use NVDA.  There is a certain level of reasonable access and reasonable standardization and unless Narrator has changed very dramatically recently in Windows 10, it doesn't meet those needs.  Plus, from discussions I've seen here, Narrator is limited to Microsoft programs in terms of providing reasonable or something like reasonable access.  Unless these public terminals provide only Microsoft programs, that is another area of inaccessibility when using Narrator.  The blind user would be either fully or mostly limited to Microsoft programs on the machine.  If the machine has other programs on it, it appears from discussions I've seen on list, that Narrator wouldn't work adequately, if at all.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ... <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Hi guys,



I got asked this question about the advantages of NVDA over Narrator on public terminals where ever these may be...



I am talking about public terminals that the sighted can use where ever these may be. Places like libraries, information centres airports (where these terminals are) as well etcetera. The commercial screen readers are not in the picture because of price.



The question is below:



" My question to you is what advantages would it give our blind or visually impaired customers having both Windows 10 Narrator and NVDA available to use on public computers? I would be interested in supporting installing it at if there were advantages and we could work thru any technical issues. Let me know what you think".



This same question could also come up at any IT department that is approached to install NVDA to a public terminal (where ever these may be). The above is used as an example.

I am guessing that for any technical information - that could be pointed towards the developers of the NVDA project.



They could be using a windows 7 machine right up to Windows 10.



Looking forward to your feedback on advantages of NVDA over Narrator. Thanks everyone.



Gene NZ





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.






--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals

 

Well thats nice, but it would actually be good if the latest version was put on all computers, and maybe have it do it automatically same with addons used etc, point is we are now in to 2018.4 what is the use to have an old crappy version.

If 18.3.2 is only just going now, users will be out of date.

I guess it doesn't matter if they are all jaws users or havn't used nvda before, but its just that roling out nvda in its current form is a waste of time now.

On 12/18/2018 7:54 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys,


I received confirmation a couple of days ago that NVDA was going to be installed across the Christchurch City library network. Today, I have just received confirmation via email from the person rolling it out that it has officially been rolled out! I thought it was going to be rolled out early next year, but it looks like an early Christmas present for Christchurch!

There are parts of the message below:

So … the install of NVDA version 2018.3.2 is completed on our public computers.


I aI’m happy to tell you that we have 19 libraries which all have at least one free internet computer each;

· A total of 225 free internet computers across the Christchurch City Libraries network
In addition to this we have the following types of public computers which we will also install NVDA on as part of the rollout

· 20 Childrens PCs; 30 Family History PCs; 120 Learning Centre Lab PCs


This means that NVDA is now installed at 19 libraries across Christchurch! (This is about 390 computers which are to be updated annually from now on).

https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5895


In the link to the FAQ page (which says about accessibility options on their computers), NVDA is now on that list! You can not start it with a shortcut, however you can still start it quite easily through the search box by typing in NVDA and pressing Enter. The Windows log on option has been disabled. This is where it says Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen.


Please spread the word if you know of anyone who would find this useful when visiting Christchurch City Libraries! This is not just for blind and vision impaired, but may also assist people who have dyslexia or are ESOL.


Regards,

Gene NZ


On 22/10/2018 1:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and the very first incarnation was put together by an Ex Dolphin writer.
I think the problem is that Microsoft are concentrating on their software, having no control over the actual software in use. They would then be playing catch up just like the other screenreaders on 3rd party applications.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@shaw.ca><mailto:skyt@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals


True, although Doug Geoffray, the guy behind the EX Window-Eyes is working on Narrator actually along with Jeff bishop, a former Window-Eyes scripter, and others.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Narrator in Windows 10 is considerably more capable from discussions I've seen here than Narrator on Windows 7. I have Windows 7. Narrator is just the shell of a screen-reader in that version of Windows, alright for emergencies where you lose the use of a competent screen-reader for some reason but it would be next to useless on a public terminal because it is next to useless everywhere.



also, I know that Narrator is moving toward using more standard screen-reader commands in Windows 10. I don't know how far that move has gone but I would think that a lot more screen-reader users would regularly use NVDA. There is a certain level of reasonable access and reasonable standardization and unless Narrator has changed very dramatically recently in Windows 10, it doesn't meet those needs. Plus, from discussions I've seen here, Narrator is limited to Microsoft programs in terms of providing reasonable or something like reasonable access. Unless these public terminals provide only Microsoft programs, that is another area of inaccessibility when using Narrator. The blind user would be either fully or mostly limited to Microsoft programs on the machine. If the machine has other programs on it, it appears from discussions I've seen on list, that Narrator wouldn't work adequately, if at all.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ... <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Hi guys,



I got asked this question about the advantages of NVDA over Narrator on public terminals where ever these may be...



I am talking about public terminals that the sighted can use where ever these may be. Places like libraries, information centres airports (where these terminals are) as well etcetera. The commercial screen readers are not in the picture because of price.



The question is below:



" My question to you is what advantages would it give our blind or visually impaired customers having both Windows 10 Narrator and NVDA available to use on public computers? I would be interested in supporting installing it at if there were advantages and we could work thru any technical issues. Let me know what you think".



This same question could also come up at any IT department that is approached to install NVDA to a public terminal (where ever these may be). The above is used as an example.

I am guessing that for any technical information - that could be pointed towards the developers of the NVDA project.



They could be using a windows 7 machine right up to Windows 10.



Looking forward to your feedback on advantages of NVDA over Narrator. Thanks everyone.



Gene NZ





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys,


I received confirmation a couple of days ago that NVDA was going to be installed across the Christchurch City library network. Today, I have just received confirmation via email from the person rolling it out that it has officially been rolled out! I thought it was going to be rolled out early next year, but it looks like an early Christmas present for Christchurch!

There are parts of the message below:

So … the install of NVDA version 2018.3.2 is completed on our public computers.


I aI’m happy to tell you that we have 19 libraries which all have at least one free internet computer each;

·      A total of 225 free internet computers across the Christchurch City Libraries network

In addition to this we have the following types of public computers which we will also install NVDA on as part of the rollout

·      20 Childrens PCs; 30 Family History PCs; 120 Learning Centre Lab PCs


This means that NVDA is now installed at 19 libraries across Christchurch! (This is about 390 computers which are to be updated annually from now on).

https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5895


In the link to the FAQ page (which says about accessibility options on their computers), NVDA is now on that list! You can not start it with a shortcut, however you can still start it quite easily through the search box by typing in NVDA and pressing Enter. The Windows log on option has been disabled. This is where it says Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen.


Please spread the word if you know of anyone who would find this useful when visiting Christchurch City Libraries! This is not just for blind and vision impaired, but may also assist people who have dyslexia or are ESOL.


Regards,

Gene NZ


On 22/10/2018 1:43 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and the very first incarnation was put together by an Ex Dolphin writer.
I think the problem is that Microsoft are  concentrating on their software, having no control over the actual software in use. They would then be playing catch up just like the other screenreaders on 3rd party applications.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals


True, although Doug Geoffray, the guy behind the EX Window-Eyes is working on Narrator actually along with Jeff bishop, a former Window-Eyes scripter, and others.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Narrator in Windows 10 is considerably more capable from discussions I've seen here than Narrator on Windows 7.  I have Windows 7.  Narrator is just the shell of a screen-reader in that version of Windows, alright for emergencies where you lose the use of a competent screen-reader for some reason but it would be next to useless on a public terminal because it is next to useless everywhere.



also, I know that Narrator is moving toward using more standard screen-reader commands in Windows 10.  I don't know how far that move has gone but I would think that a lot more screen-reader users would regularly use NVDA.  There is a certain level of reasonable access and reasonable standardization and unless Narrator has changed very dramatically recently in Windows 10, it doesn't meet those needs.  Plus, from discussions I've seen here, Narrator is limited to Microsoft programs in terms of providing reasonable or something like reasonable access.  Unless these public terminals provide only Microsoft programs, that is another area of inaccessibility when using Narrator.  The blind user would be either fully or mostly limited to Microsoft programs on the machine.  If the machine has other programs on it, it appears from discussions I've seen on list, that Narrator wouldn't work adequately, if at all.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ... <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Hi guys,



I got asked this question about the advantages of NVDA over Narrator on public terminals where ever these may be...



I am talking about public terminals that the sighted can use where ever these may be. Places like libraries, information centres airports (where these terminals are) as well etcetera. The commercial screen readers are not in the picture because of price.



The question is below:



" My question to you is what advantages would it give our blind or visually impaired customers having both Windows 10 Narrator and NVDA available to use on public computers? I would be interested in supporting installing it at if there were advantages and we could work thru any technical issues. Let me know what you think".



This same question could also come up at any IT department that is approached to install NVDA to a public terminal (where ever these may be). The above is used as an example.

I am guessing that for any technical information - that could be pointed towards the developers of the NVDA project.



They could be using a windows 7 machine right up to Windows 10.



Looking forward to your feedback on advantages of NVDA over Narrator. Thanks everyone.



Gene NZ





--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492): with NVDA 2018.4

Adriani Botez
 

Hn, magic Christmas :)

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 18.12.2018 um 07:26 schrieb bering.p <bering.p@...>:

Hello Adriani,
Thank you for your reply.
No, I have not thought of, but this is more worth it because everything is back in order.
The error was gone without doing anything.
Very strange !!!
Have a good day.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 17/12/2018 20:31, Adriani Botez a écrit :

Hello Paul,

 

did you try to use the com fixing tool in NVDA menu / Extras? To me it seems that some com dlls cannot be registered.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von bering.p
Gesendet: Montag, 17. Dezember 2018 11:12
An: nvda courrier <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: [nvda] ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492): with NVDA 2018.4

 



Paul.

  Hi,
Steps to reproduice:
- restart NVDA,
- "NVDA+F1" to open NVDA log,
- "Escape" to close NVDA log.
The error occurs.

This is the log:
INFO - __main__ (08:21:50.756):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.039):
Config dir: F:\documents\Paulo\temp\nvda 2018.4 Noémie\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:21:51.039):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
NVDA version 2018.4
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.249):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.319):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (08:21:51.499):
Touch only supported on installed copies
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (08:21:52.128):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:21:52.976):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (08:21:52.976):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:21:52.976):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:21:52.976):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:21:52.992):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:21:53.045):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:21:53.075):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (08:21:54.026):
Touch only supported on installed copies
INFO - core.main (08:21:54.032):
NVDA initialized
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (08:21:54.178):
No CLDR data for locale fr_FR
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (08:21:56.959):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (08:21:57.131):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'nvda 2018.4 No\xe9mie'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x03DA2A50>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=174, top=323, width=574, height=22)
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 6240) at address 3cee850>
appModule.productName: u'Syst\xe8me d\u2019exploitation Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.17134.464'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 721684
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 1448
windowText: u''
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x63565b8 at 3cf5530>
UIA automationID: 10
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (6240, 236306288, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:6240,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]
UIA className: UIItem
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (08:21:57.338):
F:\documents\Paulo\temp\nvda 2018.4 Noémie\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated
ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.477):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 99:
Error activating activation context for IAccessible2Proxy.dll

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.477):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, installIA2Support, 59:
Error registering IAccessible2 proxy

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 99:
Error activating activation context for ISimpleDOM.dll

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.502):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, installIA2Support, 63:
Error registering ISimpleDOM proxy



Re: ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492): with NVDA 2018.4

bering.p
 

Hello Adriani,
Thank you for your reply.
No, I have not thought of, but this is more worth it because everything is back in order.
The error was gone without doing anything.
Very strange !!!
Have a good day.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 17/12/2018 20:31, Adriani Botez a écrit :

Hello Paul,

 

did you try to use the com fixing tool in NVDA menu / Extras? To me it seems that some com dlls cannot be registered.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von bering.p
Gesendet: Montag, 17. Dezember 2018 11:12
An: nvda courrier <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: [nvda] ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492): with NVDA 2018.4

 



Paul.

  Hi,
Steps to reproduice:
- restart NVDA,
- "NVDA+F1" to open NVDA log,
- "Escape" to close NVDA log.
The error occurs.

This is the log:
INFO - __main__ (08:21:50.756):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.039):
Config dir: F:\documents\Paulo\temp\nvda 2018.4 Noémie\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:21:51.039):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
NVDA version 2018.4
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.244):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.249):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - core.main (08:21:51.319):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (08:21:51.499):
Touch only supported on installed copies
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (08:21:52.128):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:21:52.976):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (08:21:52.976):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:21:52.976):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:21:52.976):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:21:52.992):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:21:53.045):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:21:53.075):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (08:21:54.026):
Touch only supported on installed copies
INFO - core.main (08:21:54.032):
NVDA initialized
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (08:21:54.178):
No CLDR data for locale fr_FR
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (08:21:56.959):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (08:21:57.131):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'nvda 2018.4 No\xe9mie'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x03DA2A50>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=174, top=323, width=574, height=22)
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 6240) at address 3cee850>
appModule.productName: u'Syst\xe8me d\u2019exploitation Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.17134.464'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 721684
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 1448
windowText: u''
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x63565b8 at 3cf5530>
UIA automationID: 10
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (6240, 236306288, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:6240,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]
UIA className: UIItem
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (08:21:57.338):
F:\documents\Paulo\temp\nvda 2018.4 Noémie\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated
ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.477):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 99:
Error activating activation context for IAccessible2Proxy.dll

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.477):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, installIA2Support, 59:
Error registering IAccessible2 proxy

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.492):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\COMProxyRegistration.cpp, registerCOMProxy, 99:
Error activating activation context for ISimpleDOM.dll

ERROR - RPC process 6240 (explorer.exe) (08:21:58.502):
Thread 1448, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, installIA2Support, 63:
Error registering ISimpleDOM proxy