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Re: Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4

David Goldfield
 

Tony,

Thank you for confirming what I have noticed. The performance hit I'm seeing is significant enough that I really prefer what the previous version. However, I am impressed with the experimental UIA support which I enabled in my NVDA.ini file for use with Word. I definitely notice the difference, particularly on my machine which is not the fastest machine around. What I'd really like to see most in NVDA is a refactoring of the speech to improve latency and, dare I make this comparison, to make it behave more like JAWS. Specifically, I'm referring to the responsiveness when navigating using the cursor and when typing.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/18/2018 1:53 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I noticed this in Chrome too - 2018.4 is slightly slower than
2018.3.2.  All the betas of 2018.4 were slower as well. However, with
2018.3.2 I had a problem of weird behavior with missing keystrokes in
browse mode. So it seems to me some bugs were fixed that both solved
my problem and made chrome a bit slower.

On 12/17/18, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
My guess is that nobody else is experiencing this issue as I'm seeing no
other posts about this.

When I navigate by links with K or shift K in Thunderbird and even, to an
extent, in Chrome I notice a slight slowdown in responsiveness compared to
2018.3. For a short time I thought it was my computer as I was sometimes
seeing this occur in 2018.3.2 but, in general, 2018.3.2 is still somewhat
faster. I sent Quentin a debug file with all addons disabled but I'm
assuming there was nothing obvious in the output as I haven't heard back. I
notice this with Espeak. On a faster machine I do not notice this but on a
slower Athlon 2.9 GHZ there is a slight but noticeable difference. Just
wondering if anybody has noticed this and if something changed in the code
regarding navigation?

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problem solved with vlc media player

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I did a fresh install of vlc media, opened it and put in my movie I wanted to watch. It started playing after a few seconds. I think the reinstall did the trick.


Thank you all for your help.


Rosemarie


Re: can't get vlc media player to start

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried opening the program and then playing the movie but there was no sound.

On 12/18/2018 5:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Your message doesn't say what is or isn't happening. You say you can't play something. You don't say whether the program opens or what happens when you try to play the item. Since we don't know specifically what happens, we can't address the question properly, though someone may provide a solution. But how do we know that the player isn't muted, opening, playing the file with no sound. We don't know if that is happening but it is important to give detailed information when presenting a problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


I tried everything I could think of to open vlc media player but I'll try the "open with" and see if that works.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karmelo
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


Rosemarie,


Try the context menu key

arrow down to open with.

You should find vlc media player.

Press enter.


Regards,

Charles



Hi.


How are you trying to open it?


Are your file associations set to VlC?

What happens when you open it using the search box or run dialog?

If you've tried everything and there's simply no VLC window opening, it may be time to re-install. There's nothing special related to starting VlC; it should open like any other programme.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 18, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


Hi, everyone,


I just put in a movie to try to watch but I can't get vlc media player to play now. The last time I used it was during the summer when I was watching a movie my sister gaveme for my birthday. How do I get this program to start?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie







Re: can't get vlc media player to start

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'll give vlc media player another try.

On 12/18/2018 5:39 PM, Gene wrote:
you repeatedly do this. Get rid of or say you are going to get rid of a program. You haven't given the list sufficient time to ask about and propose possible solutions.

If you really get rid of the program, let us definitely know so we don't waste time. If you think better of it, members will still help. But this pattern of behavior doesn't help you solve the problem nor does it do justice to those who send information or suggestions.

I sent a message before this one with what might be helpful information about solving the problem. Did I send it for nothing?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


I'm gonna get rid of the program. I tried everything I know but nothing is working.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


Hi.


How are you trying to open it?


Are your file associations set to VlC?

What happens when you open it using the search box or run dialog?

If you've tried everything and there's simply no VLC window opening, it may be time to re-install. There's nothing special related to starting VlC; it should open like any other programme.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 18, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get vlc media player to start


Hi, everyone,


I just put in a movie to try to watch but I can't get vlc media player to play now. The last time I used it was during the summer when I was watching a movie my sister gaveme for my birthday. How do I get this program to start?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie







Re: is there a short cut key for Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges)

 

No, the only way to do that is have all computers continuously running nvda at startup.

It may be easier to login then start nvda on a desktop.

I am not sure if nvda can be started after login but only for certain user profiles.

But assuming thats the case, using narator to login and having nvda start on the profiles that have it active would be fine.

For full desktops.

For remote sessions locked down web pages etc, as an admin especially if you can't do anything with it, the easiest way would be to have something or a way to connect remotely to those services or simply previde a way to do it away from location.

But suppose you needed it again.

Assuming you had profiles for those sessions, those accounts would have to have nvda running on them.

It would be easier in my view to have terminals assigned for the blind to use or for those that don't need sound, nvda running all the time but with sound off and all you would have to do is turn on speaker etc.

The easiest option would be in that case for speech users similar to the eft pos terminals at banks.

Plug in a set of headphones and go nuts, now I realise that this is a real pain in the rear end as you will need a set of phones.

I have often done banking but I always manage to forget headsets and don't carry them about.

For a locked down terminal, like a site or a certain program, as an admin I'd feel comfortable previding connection info for that device knowing you couldn't do anything with it.

However it is my opinion for the remote units and resources including locked down websites and net based web portals to allow those that need access to them a way to do that from their own devices is probably better and more managible than well doing it on a terminal.

If security is that of a big deal, you would need to obtain a session login which would last as long as you were physically on location, once you logged out, everything including that image of the system especially if it was for something would be lost or changed daily.

With some of these remote systems you can get access for something, then reformat and kill the instance and bring it back when you needed it.

However if you did that one assumes you would have to  have images of instances to use.

I know about some of this and how it works but have never done it myself.

To be honest though I rarely do any work on a terminal at location, if I can I do it on my own device via an interface or something.

The other way is to have some sort of roming profile, each member that needs it would have their account setup with what they needed, and that would be that.

I havn't done anything with nvda on a network server but for jaws something like this would work, nvda isn't jaws but there is no reason why you couldn't have it always running on a server and access to services for it for certain things.

On 12/20/2018 10:42 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


When i asked the person about what I read using narrator to sign in first on the windows log on screen then turning on nvda they gave the following answer below.


From my perspective, as someone who manages computer desktops, having the ability to turn NVDA on at the Windows log on screen would be incredibly useful. One of the reasons is that in our environment the computers are shared and are set up identically.
There are so many different scenarios on how a public computer is setup up and what functionality is locked down, including
· Automatically logged in with “full desktop” including Windows Search & all programs start menu
· Automatically logged in with “kiosk” mode EG might just have a web browser running full screen, no desktop no keyboard shortcuts
· Windows logon required - then any of the above type of desktop or a hybrid of the two
· And of course full desktop PCs versus terminals running windows remote desktop sessions, or Citrix sessions, on a server
Getting NVDA to work in the above environments shouldn’t be too much of a challenge for IT departments if they are given the mandate - which is what you are all about doing. Gene nz


On 20/12/2018 10:24 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys


Just a curiosity question I know in the nvda settings under general there is the setting in the general section.


called Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges) I was wondering if there is a short cut to turn it on or off.

or would NVDA have to have admin rights of which it may not unless that box is checked ?


The reason I am asking this question is as follows


I was reading under a FAQ page with both narrator and nvda installed on a network that on some certain systems you had to log into the windows log on screen with narrator then it would turn its self off then you could start up NVDA.


Is that because narrator would have some type of other privilege that nvda does not?


I asked the question to the person after I read it to the people involved.


But just wanted to find out from this side or if a shortcut could be assigned? It is on a public network so i am guessing it would be a security risk?


Gene nz



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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

I understand. I watch youtube videos about computer performance and a lot of the time people say the more ram the faster your computer will be. But that is very misleading. It also depends on the processor speed among other things. I got my emails back, by the way. A friend helped me figure it out.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Yes, but that is completely separate from RAM.  Ram is where information is stored your computer uses.  A program you run is usually in RAM.  It is memory.  the Processor is active.  it makes  calculations.  But there is much more to determine the speed of a computer than just the processor.  The motherboard has a speed, the speed at which information travels through it.  I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss it much but the motherboard is basically the assembly that connects components of your computer so they can communicate with each other. 
The speed with which information travels through the motherboard is important in determining the speed.  Also, processors have a cache.  That is where information is temporarily stored.  If a fast processor has a low cache, thaqt can slow your computer as well because information isn't stored in the processor cache and thus takes longer for the processor to access.  Again, I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss that in detail but others may want to discuss such matters. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly.  But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up.  If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything.  You already have 1GB that is free at all times.  I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.

 

Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers.  The more memory the better?  How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

It depends on how much RAM is being used.  If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.

 

Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use.  You've deleted the messages.  They are gone.  They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox.  Now they are gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

What error message do you get?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

Yes, but that is completely separate from RAM.  Ram is where information is stored your computer uses.  A program you run is usually in RAM.  It is memory.  the Processor is active.  it makes  calculations.  But there is much more to determine the speed of a computer than just the processor.  The motherboard has a speed, the speed at which information travels through it.  I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss it much but the motherboard is basically the assembly that connects components of your computer so they can communicate with each other. 
The speed with which information travels through the motherboard is important in determining the speed.  Also, processors have a cache.  That is where information is temporarily stored.  If a fast processor has a low cache, thaqt can slow your computer as well because information isn't stored in the processor cache and thus takes longer for the processor to access.  Again, I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss that in detail but others may want to discuss such matters. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly.  But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up.  If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything.  You already have 1GB that is free at all times.  I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.

 

Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers.  The more memory the better?  How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

It depends on how much RAM is being used.  If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.

 

Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use.  You've deleted the messages.  They are gone.  They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox.  Now they are gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

What error message do you get?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly.  But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up.  If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything.  You already have 1GB that is free at all times.  I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.

 

Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers.  The more memory the better?  How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

It depends on how much RAM is being used.  If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.

 

Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use.  You've deleted the messages.  They are gone.  They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox.  Now they are gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:

What error message do you get?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly.  But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up.  If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything.  You already have 1GB that is free at all times.  I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.
 
Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers.  The more memory the better?  How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

It depends on how much RAM is being used.  If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.
 
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use.  You've deleted the messages.  They are gone.  They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox.  Now they are gone. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

It depends on how much RAM is being used.  If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.
 
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use.  You've deleted the messages.  They are gone.  They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox.  Now they are gone. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

I see you are using Outlook.  I'll let others continue the discussion but RAM shouldn't be the problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

I don't know if you understand about RAM.  Are you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking about available disk space.  Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not to function.  Low ram might cause your entire  computer to function slowly.  You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but how you do that depends on the program you are using.  How are you determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes figure?
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@....  and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
What error message do you get?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Gene
 

What error message do you get?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

well it worked but now i'm unable to send or receive email from outlook on this tablet. my life is over.


On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 4:58 pm Governor staten <govsta@... wrote:

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, control A does the trick.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

I think control plus a should do the trick.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

molly the blind tech lover
 

Guys? I’m never going to delete the emails using my tablet. With only 4 gigabytes of ram and only one gigabyte available, it’s too slow. Thank god my laptop has 4 gigabytes of ram left.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook

 

they're all deleted now.

 

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 3:35 pm Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@... wrote:

Hit control a, then delete? That should move everything to the trash. Then empty trash.

On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:18, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I want to select all the emails in my inbox and delete them. Is there a way to select all the emails all at once? Thanks.


Re: is there a short cut key for Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges)

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


When i asked the person about what I read using narrator to sign in first on the windows log on screen then turning on nvda they gave the following answer below.


From my perspective, as someone who manages computer desktops, having the ability to turn NVDA on at the Windows log on screen would be incredibly useful.  One of the reasons is that in our environment the computers are shared and are set up identically.
There are so many different scenarios on how a public computer is setup up and what functionality is locked down, including
·         Automatically logged in with “full desktop” including Windows Search & all programs start menu
·         Automatically logged in with “kiosk” mode EG might just have a web browser running full screen, no desktop no keyboard shortcuts
·         Windows logon required - then any of the above type of desktop or a hybrid of the two
·         And of course full desktop PCs versus terminals running windows remote desktop sessions, or Citrix sessions, on a server
Getting NVDA to work in the above environments shouldn’t be too much of a challenge for IT departments if they are given the mandate - which is what you are all about doing. Gene nz


On 20/12/2018 10:24 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys


Just a curiosity question I know in the nvda settings under general there is the  setting in the general section.


called Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges)  I was wondering if there is a short cut to turn it on or off.

or would NVDA have to have admin rights of which it may not  unless that box is checked ?


The reason I am asking this question is as follows


I was reading under a FAQ page  with both narrator and nvda installed on a network that on some certain systems you had to log into the windows log on screen with narrator then it would turn its self off then you could start up NVDA.


Is that because narrator would have some type of other privilege that nvda does not?


I asked the question to the person after I read it to the people involved.


But just wanted to find out from this side or if a shortcut could be assigned? It is on a public network so i am guessing it would be a security risk?


Gene nz



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--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.