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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Maria. As other’s has said, JAWS isn’t free, whereas NVDA is free to use, however, if you like it, you can donate to the product. Obviously the developers has got to make money to keep it going, otherwise if it was free but with no way’s to donate, it would go under. Also, its Open Source, and it cannot be taken over by a for profit company. And we’ve seem one such company buying up all its competitors. No way is NVDA going to be swallowed up or anything like that. This is the major difference between a non-profit and a for profit company.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences? 

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

Hi Maria
Beside the info of other member, the biggest different I think is NVDA doesn't use Eloquences as the primary speech, and this also not included in the program. If you like, you must buy it, and install into your computer. There is an article named switching from Jaws to NVDA. If you're about to do that, take a look at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA
Hope that help
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Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences? 

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Don H
 

Having been a Window Eyes user for many years I found it easier to switch to NVDA versus Jaws. I have both on my system but use Jaws very little. For what I do which is mostly surfing the net and Email NVDA does really well.

On 12/22/2018 7:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?
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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Gene
 

There are commands that are different but a lot of what you do is the same, regardless of screen-reader.  A lot or most, depending on what programs you use and how advanced a user you are, of the commands you use are Windows or program commands.  See this page for a discussion of some of the differences.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Well, for one thing, Nvda is free and open source. Jaws is not free.

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences? 

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Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Monte Single
 

Well, the first huge difference is the price;  jaws is close to a thousand dollars, nvda is free.

 

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Subject: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

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Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi. I tried to restart nvda by pressing control alt n. Nothing happened. I was able to unlock the screen. But when I tried to use the touchscreen, all nvda said was system submenu, contains commands to manipulate the window. I have no idea what screen I’m in.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

I forgot to mention, before restarting your system unnecessarily, it's always good trying to restart NVDA itself and see what happens.

Em 21/12/2018 22:27, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hey, first, don't worry. This how computers work, I guess. Sometimes it just runs out of our control, but there's always a solution whatever your problem is.
Considering you said that no keys are being interpreted by NVDA, it would be like shoot in the dark, but you can try:
Windows+R
Type "shutdown -r" (without the quotes).
It will restart your system, I guess.
Hope this helps and please let me know if so.
P.S.: Don't give up on NVDA, I'm sure you'll be able to deal with it through the time.

Em 21/12/2018 22:19, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don�t know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my tablet doesn�t seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key on the keyboard. �The only way �nvda talks �is if I use the mouse.

I don�t know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.

 

 


I got my tablet working again

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, molly here again.

I finally got my tablet/nvda working again. From the lock screen, I clicked on the power option, and thank god. The machine restarted itself. Nvda immediately turned on, and just to be sure, I exited and restarted nvda about five times. Okay, not that many.

I don’t know what the problem was to begin with, but I am glad I don’t have to take the machine to the Microsoft store. I’ll try not to panic the next time something like this happens. I am really sorry, you guys, that I freaked out like that. I am going to work really hard at becoming competent nvda user. It’s my goal.


Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thanks. I'll check them out.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Hi,

I highly recommend the aftershockz. They are great for multi pairing to a phone and computer at the same time. They're the only headphones I've owned that actually behave when they're connected to both devices.


On 2018-12-22 5:59 p.m., molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using
my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a
quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte
hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid
state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already
loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as
painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a
solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't
recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting
into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow.
Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4
or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader
making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a
computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp.
Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you
increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a
solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very
light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about
10 seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then
release the power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro 1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10
seconds, until the screen turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds
and then release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT 1. Press and hold the power
button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen turns off, then
release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to
shut down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe
they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was
turned off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab
should at least do something, or pressing any other key should
interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe things aren't set up to work that way, or something is
preventing it from working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on
the machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work, so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it
down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the
windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I
press any key on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.


















Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I highly recommend the aftershockz. They are great for multi pairing to a phone and computer at the same time. They're the only headphones I've owned that actually behave when they're connected to both devices.

On 2018-12-22 5:59 p.m., molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad
core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard
drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state
drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded -
but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even
comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even
EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive
these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving
around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than
a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not
sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but
it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of
ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my
biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase
the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state
drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on
resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and
then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can
fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at
least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from
speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it
from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other
way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.

















Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

molly the blind tech lover
 

I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad
core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard
drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state
drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded -
but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even
comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even
EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive
these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving
around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than
a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not
sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but
it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of
ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my
biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase
the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state
drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on
resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and
then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can
fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at
least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from
speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it
from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other
way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.
















Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Tyler Wood
 

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in 2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process, maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.















Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

molly the blind tech lover
 

The surface go? It's a great tablet other than the keyboard problem

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
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Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process, maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.















Re: nvda/tablet is working again

molly the blind tech lover
 

For some reason dust gets in this keyboard and sticks to it. And my cat mr. Jennings tries  to walk on the keyboard. I have to push him away.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Moore
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda/tablet is working again

 

I must be missing something here.  I have owned 3 asus transformer books, love those little things and never had to clean the connectors.

 

I guess I could see it happening though.

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 2018-12-22 1:27 p.m., molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Me too. This keyboard is frustrating. It sometimes stops working. In that case I still have the touchscreen.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda/tablet is working again

 

Yep, through my close to 30 years of me using confusers , (I was a curious little cuss at age 5) I also learned that the hard way. Lol!
Glad you got nvda working.
On 22 Dec 2018, at 9:31, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I hope this message doesn’t get sent twice, because last night I was frustrated and said said things I regret.

Anyway, I discovered that while nvda wasn’t talking while using the keyboard, I could still use the touchscreen. I disconnected the keyboard and cleaned it. It collects dust and crap because of the material it’s made from. Anyway, the machine works completely fine now. And our Internet is working again. As soon as I logged on Nvda wanted me to update some addons. So everything works. I really hope I don’t panic the next time something like this happens. Panicking doesn’t solve anything.  And it just makes me look stupid.


Re: NVDA and SiriusXM radio.

Nancy Shackelford
 

It's pretty accessible. You might sometimes have to click on a
particular thing to make it readable, but I'm good with it, even the
volume, at least most of the time!

Nance

On 12/22/18, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:
Hey all. I'm thinking of subscribing to SiriusXM radio to check it out.
I'll mostly be listening on a PC. So I was wondering if anybody has
tried it and can report on accessibility. Do they have an app? Do you
just listen through the website? Can you stream it in another media
player? I know you can stream it on the Amazon Echo stuff but I don't
have one, though I did install the Alexa app for Windows 10. Anyway, if
anybody has any info on accessibility, I'd surely appreciate it. I
figured I'd ask here because if it's not accessible for some reason then
I won't bother with it.




--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: NVDA and SiriusXM radio.

Bob Jutzi
 

Yes, you install it from the Microsoft store like any other Windows 10
app, launch the app and sign in with your Sirius XM user info, and
search and add channels within the app.

On 12/22/2018 5:15 PM, John Isige wrote:
Cool, thanks! You get it from the Microsoft store, I take it? Also, can
you browse? Or do you go to the website for the list of stations and
search using that?


On 12/22/2018 14:39, bob jutzi wrote:
The Windows 10 app is very accessible.
You can use Search to find a channel, then tab over to the Add to
Favorites Button.  In the future, stations you've added can be accessed
under the Favorites and Shows button.  The only drawback is that the app
occasionally crashes on startup and needs to be restarted.  This happens
under both NVDA and JAWS so I'm assuming it's a glitch with the app
itself.

On 12/22/2018 3:22 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. I'm thinking of subscribing to SiriusXM radio to check it
out. I'll mostly be listening on a PC. So I was wondering if anybody
has tried it and can report on accessibility. Do they have an app? Do
you just listen through the website? Can you stream it in another
media player? I know you can stream it on the Amazon Echo stuff but I
don't have one, though I did install the Alexa app for Windows 10.
Anyway, if anybody has any info on accessibility, I'd surely
appreciate it. I figured I'd ask here because if it's not accessible
for some reason then I won't bother with it.






Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a lot of space.

On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10 seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process, maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.














Re: nvda/tablet is working again

Brian Moore
 

I must be missing something here.  I have owned 3 asus transformer books, love those little things and never had to clean the connectors.


I guess I could see it happening though.

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 2018-12-22 1:27 p.m., molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Me too. This keyboard is frustrating. It sometimes stops working. In that case I still have the touchscreen.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda/tablet is working again

 

Yep, through my close to 30 years of me using confusers , (I was a curious little cuss at age 5) I also learned that the hard way. Lol!
Glad you got nvda working.
On 22 Dec 2018, at 9:31, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I hope this message doesn’t get sent twice, because last night I was frustrated and said said things I regret.

Anyway, I discovered that while nvda wasn’t talking while using the keyboard, I could still use the touchscreen. I disconnected the keyboard and cleaned it. It collects dust and crap because of the material it’s made from. Anyway, the machine works completely fine now. And our Internet is working again. As soon as I logged on Nvda wanted me to update some addons. So everything works. I really hope I don’t panic the next time something like this happens. Panicking doesn’t solve anything.  And it just makes me look stupid.


Re: NVDA and SiriusXM radio.

John Isige
 

Cool, thanks! You get it from the Microsoft store, I take it? Also, can
you browse? Or do you go to the website for the list of stations and
search using that?

On 12/22/2018 14:39, bob jutzi wrote:
The Windows 10 app is very accessible.
You can use Search to find a channel, then tab over to the Add to
Favorites Button.  In the future, stations you've added can be accessed
under the Favorites and Shows button.  The only drawback is that the app
occasionally crashes on startup and needs to be restarted.  This happens
under both NVDA and JAWS so I'm assuming it's a glitch with the app
itself.

On 12/22/2018 3:22 PM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. I'm thinking of subscribing to SiriusXM radio to check it
out. I'll mostly be listening on a PC. So I was wondering if anybody
has tried it and can report on accessibility. Do they have an app? Do
you just listen through the website? Can you stream it in another
media player? I know you can stream it on the Amazon Echo stuff but I
don't have one, though I did install the Alexa app for Windows 10.
Anyway, if anybody has any info on accessibility, I'd surely
appreciate it. I figured I'd ask here because if it's not accessible
for some reason then I won't bother with it.