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RES: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Daniel Damacena
 

I like wireless headphones a lot, but they usually have some delay, specially when using screenreaders.
While we have the Bluetooth audio addon for nvda, it does not solve the problem totally.

Daniel Damacena Bezerra

-----Mensagem original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em nome de molly the blind tech lover
Enviada em: sábado, 22 de dezembro de 2018 20:59
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in 2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad
core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard
drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state
drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded -
but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even
comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even
EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive
these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving
around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than
a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not
sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but
it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of
ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my
biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase
the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state
drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on
resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and
then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can
fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at
least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from
speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it
from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other
way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.
















RES: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Daniel Damacena
 

Whenever you lose control of NVDA, try to restart it by pressing windows + r and typing nda -r.

Usually it Works here.

Best regards!

Daniel Damacena Bezerra

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em nome de molly the blind tech lover
Enviada em: sábado, 22 de dezembro de 2018 22:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

Hi. I tried to restart nvda by pressing control alt n. Nothing happened. I was able to unlock the screen. But when I tried to use the touchscreen, all nvda said was system submenu, contains commands to manipulate the window. I have no idea what screen I’m in.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

I forgot to mention, before restarting your system unnecessarily, it's always good trying to restart NVDA itself and see what happens.

Em 21/12/2018 22:27, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hey, first, don't worry. This how computers work, I guess. Sometimes it just runs out of our control, but there's always a solution whatever your problem is.
Considering you said that no keys are being interpreted by NVDA, it would be like shoot in the dark, but you can try:
Windows+R
Type "shutdown -r" (without the quotes).
It will restart your system, I guess.
Hope this helps and please let me know if so.
P.S.: Don't give up on NVDA, I'm sure you'll be able to deal with it through the time.

Em 21/12/2018 22:19, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don�t know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my tablet doesn�t seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key on the keyboard. �The only way �nvda talks �is if I use the mouse.

I don�t know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.

 

 


Re: I got my tablet working again

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I take it that this is the Surface tablet. Which one do you have?If I can find a payment plan I would like to get another one.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

I’m happy. This tablet is wonderful when it’s working properly. It’s so light and very portable. And I love that I have Nvda on it. Just got to keep my cat Mr. Jennings away from it. He’s so adorable.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

 

Here's a high 5 to you!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:47 PM

Subject: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

 

Hey guys, molly here again.

I finally got my tablet/nvda working again. From the lock screen, I clicked on the power option, and thank god. The machine restarted itself. Nvda immediately turned on, and just to be sure, I exited and restarted nvda about five times. Okay, not that many.

I don’t know what the problem was to begin with, but I am glad I don’t have to take the machine to the Microsoft store. I’ll try not to panic the next time something like this happens. I am really sorry, you guys, that I freaked out like that. I am going to work really hard at becoming competent nvda user. It’s my goal.


Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Just for your information, just about all of the bluetooth keyboards sold these days have a micro USB charging port so even if the battery was low, you could plug it directly into the computer for some quick charge.


In addition, windows 10 now tells you when the battery is low, at least to my understanding. Most keyboards these days have over a year of standby time and months of usage.

On 2018-12-22 11:05 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well while I don't bad mouth any of this stuff.

As soon as you get a board that is not wired you can run out of power.

If you are like my brother, his battery got low and there was no indicator, well there probably  was but he forgot to get more.

Suddenly he turns his system on and suddenly it doesn't run, it doesn't boot, you type all weirdly and stuff screws up and the batteries have died.

And its 10 at night with your school assignment due the next day and you have spent all day in fact the last week forgetting to replace your batteries and you don't have a supply and then you remember that you need new batteries the old c type and have nothing left.

So either use a corded board which isn't broken, borrow your brother's system which he then has to reformat because somehow you messed it up by changing the settings and not telling him so he panics or taking the batteries out of another device which are allready flat.

Well lets see, not a good idea.




On 12/23/2018 5:13 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I once had a Bluetooth keyboard for the mac I once had.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

The reason I havn't gone bluetooth is the fact there are more batteries to handle.

If you have a need for headphones, are on the go, and don't have other devices, then your cheap as chip 9 dollar crappy units are probably fine.

If you need to use them a lot you can probably get some good ones.

If you have your smart phone maybe jabra or something maybe you use your headsets for your phone, you can probably use the same sets for your tablet, I have a bluetooth car speaker for the phone that my aunt uses and the manual says its specked for 4 devices though you will have to switch from one to the other manually.



On 12/23/2018 12:59 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using
my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a
quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte
hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid
state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already
loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as
painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a
solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't
recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting
into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow.
Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4
or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader
making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a
computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp.
Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you
increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a
solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very
light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about
10 seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then
release the power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro 1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10
seconds, until the screen turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds
and then release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT 1. Press and hold the power
button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen turns off, then
release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to
shut down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe
they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was
turned off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab
should at least do something, or pressing any other key should
interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe things aren't set up to work that way, or something is
preventing it from working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on
the machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work, so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it
down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the
windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I
press any key on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.
















.






Re: Bootable rescue disk

 

Probably not possible unless it is accessible.

To be honest though if you get a virus like that, just reformat and it will be gone.

On 12/23/2018 6:13 PM, farhan israk wrote:
How to use bootable rescue disk specially antivirus rescue disk with screen
reader?



Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ben there. My old computer died a week before my report was due. On an old windows machine once I had it die I think a few days before a project was due. Yeah fun times all of this stuff.

Take care all.

On 22 Dec 2018, at 21:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well while I don't bad mouth any of this stuff.

As soon as you get a board that is not wired you can run out of power.

If you are like my brother, his battery got low and there was no indicator, well there probably  was but he forgot to get more.

Suddenly he turns his system on and suddenly it doesn't run, it doesn't boot, you type all weirdly and stuff screws up and the batteries have died.

And its 10 at night with your school assignment due the next day and you have spent all day in fact the last week forgetting to replace your batteries and you don't have a supply and then you remember that you need new batteries the old c type and have nothing left.

So either use a corded board which isn't broken, borrow your brother's system which he then has to reformat because somehow you messed it up by changing the settings and not telling him so he panics or taking the batteries out of another device which are allready flat.

Well lets see, not a good idea.




On 12/23/2018 5:13 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I once had a Bluetooth keyboard for the mac I once had.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

The reason I havn't gone bluetooth is the fact there are more batteries to handle.

If you have a need for headphones, are on the go, and don't have other devices, then your cheap as chip 9 dollar crappy units are probably fine.

If you need to use them a lot you can probably get some good ones.

If you have your smart phone maybe jabra or something maybe you use your headsets for your phone, you can probably use the same sets for your tablet, I have a bluetooth car speaker for the phone that my aunt uses and the manual says its specked for 4 devices though you will have to switch from one to the other manually.



On 12/23/2018 12:59 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using
my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a
quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte
hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid
state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already
loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as
painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a
solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't
recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting
into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow.
Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4
or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader
making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a
computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp.
Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you
increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a
solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very
light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:

Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about
10 seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then
release the power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro 1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10
seconds, until the screen turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds
and then release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT 1. Press and hold the power
button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen turns off, then
release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to
shut down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe
they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was
turned off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab
should at least do something, or pressing any other key should
interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe things aren't set up to work that way, or something is
preventing it from working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on
the machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work, so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it
down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the
windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I
press any key on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.

.


Re: I got my tablet working again

Raha Tehrani
 

great job Molly! good luck.
I hope you and Mr. Jennings will have a great time together. have fun.

On 12/23/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm happy. This tablet is wonderful when it's working properly. It's so
light and very portable. And I love that I have Nvda on it. Just got to
keep
my cat Mr. Jennings away from it. He's so adorable.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc
Wright godfearer
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I got my tablet working again



Here's a high 5 to you!

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover <mailto:brainardmolly@gmail.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:47 PM

Subject: [nvda] I got my tablet working again



Hey guys, molly here again.

I finally got my tablet/nvda working again. From the lock screen, I clicked
on the power option, and thank god. The machine restarted itself. Nvda
immediately turned on, and just to be sure, I exited and restarted nvda
about five times. Okay, not that many.

I don't know what the problem was to begin with, but I am glad I don't have
to take the machine to the Microsoft store. I'll try not to panic the next
time something like this happens. I am really sorry, you guys, that I
freaked out like that. I am going to work really hard at becoming competent
nvda user. It's my goal.







Bootable rescue disk

farhan israk
 

How to use bootable rescue disk specially antivirus rescue disk with screen reader?


Want to resume chkdsk

farhan israk
 

I use Windows 10 1803. Is it possible to pause chkdsk, shut down computer and resume after turning on computer?


Re: Virus detection of windows defender

 

yes.

Weather you trust it to do that is a different.

After all the bgt false positives, I have excluded a lot of directories on c, my d e f g h and i letters so I can access things which means I am quite likely going to get a virus, but oh well, I prefur to reformat all day long rather than loose files due to false alarms.

To be honest av software seems to have issues with software and stuff I seem to use in general at the most stupid times even if it isn.t,.

On 12/23/2018 6:03 PM, farhan israk wrote:
I use Windows 10 1803. Can windows defender detect virus of pendrive and
other removable media?



Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

Well while I don't bad mouth any of this stuff.

As soon as you get a board that is not wired you can run out of power.

If you are like my brother, his battery got low and there was no indicator, well there probably  was but he forgot to get more.

Suddenly he turns his system on and suddenly it doesn't run, it doesn't boot, you type all weirdly and stuff screws up and the batteries have died.

And its 10 at night with your school assignment due the next day and you have spent all day in fact the last week forgetting to replace your batteries and you don't have a supply and then you remember that you need new batteries the old c type and have nothing left.

So either use a corded board which isn't broken, borrow your brother's system which he then has to reformat because somehow you messed it up by changing the settings and not telling him so he panics or taking the batteries out of another device which are allready flat.

Well lets see, not a good idea.

On 12/23/2018 5:13 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I once had a Bluetooth keyboard for the mac I once had.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

The reason I havn't gone bluetooth is the fact there are more batteries to handle.

If you have a need for headphones, are on the go, and don't have other devices, then your cheap as chip 9 dollar crappy units are probably fine.

If you need to use them a lot you can probably get some good ones.

If you have your smart phone maybe jabra or something maybe you use your headsets for your phone, you can probably use the same sets for your tablet, I have a bluetooth car speaker for the phone that my aunt uses and the manual says its specked for 4 devices though you will have to switch from one to the other manually.



On 12/23/2018 12:59 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using
my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a
quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte
hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid
state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already
loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as
painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a
solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't
recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting
into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow.
Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4
or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader
making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a
computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp.
Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you
increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a
solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very
light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about
10 seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then
release the power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro 1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10
seconds, until the screen turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds
and then release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT 1. Press and hold the power
button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen turns off, then
release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to
shut down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe
they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was
turned off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab
should at least do something, or pressing any other key should
interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe things aren't set up to work that way, or something is
preventing it from working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on
the machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work, so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it
down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the
windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I
press any key on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.
















.





Virus detection of windows defender

farhan israk
 

I use Windows 10 1803. Can windows defender detect virus of pendrive and other removable media?


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

To be honest, you don't need to donate with cash because of the nature of the project.

If you are developing something you are donating.

You could count testing, bug reports, even saying how cool the project is is a donation.

I mean if you can a real donation would be good, I also wish I could make a real donation from time to time.

However I have spent cash on the online books for win10, all the nvda tutorials, so I guess I did donate.

On 12/23/2018 5:12 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I wish I had the means to donate. I always feel so guilty. The developers of Nvda are truly lovely people. They’ve changed millions of lives with Nvda. That’s something to be proud of.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?


Hi


as mentioned the price how ever the project does ask for donations if you can to keep this worthy project going.


You are also not limited to the amount of copies you have on a home network or even bigger like what has just been installed to the Christchurch city library network they just installed 390 copies to there public terminals for the public to use.

It will not time out after 30 or 40 minutes then you have to reboot the computer.


the default voice for a windows 10 machine now is windows one core voices but below that is E speak voices. You can also buy synth packages for nvda or use free ones.


The FAQ link that has been provided by a couple of users will give you a run down of some of the differences between jaws and nvda.


You do not have to buy upgrades and again if people can they can donate to the project no matter how small it is it all counts.

They update or do a release 4 times a year so the fixes are pretty quick to be fixed.


The best thing to do is take it for a test drive.




Gene nz


On 23/12/2018 2:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

Maria

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Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

molly the blind tech lover
 

I once had a Bluetooth keyboard for the mac I once had.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

The reason I havn't gone bluetooth is the fact there are more batteries to handle.

If you have a need for headphones, are on the go, and don't have other devices, then your cheap as chip 9 dollar crappy units are probably fine.

If you need to use them a lot you can probably get some good ones.

If you have your smart phone maybe jabra or something maybe you use your headsets for your phone, you can probably use the same sets for your tablet, I have a bluetooth car speaker for the phone that my aunt uses and the manual says its specked for 4 devices though you will have to switch from one to the other manually.



On 12/23/2018 12:59 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using
my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a
quad core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte
hard drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid
state drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already
loaded - but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as
painful, to. Even comparing this to a cheap windows device with a
solid state drive - even EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't
recommend a mechanical hard drive these days. And I'm not even getting
into general performance. Moving around the screen was painfully slow.
Opening apps took far longer than a machine with a hard drive, even 4
or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not sure if it was the screen reader
making performance that much worse, but it was similar to using a
computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of ram and ran windows xp.
Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you
increase the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a
solid state drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very
light on resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about
10 seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then
release the power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro 1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10
seconds, until the screen turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds
and then release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT 1. Press and hold the power
button for a full 10 seconds, until the screen turns off, then
release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the
full 10 seconds and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on.
You should see the Surface logo.
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to
shut down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe
they can fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was
turned off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab
should at least do something, or pressing any other key should
interrupt NVDA from speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe things aren't set up to work that way, or something is
preventing it from working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on
the machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work, so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it
down any other way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the
windows key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I
press any key on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.


















.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

molly the blind tech lover
 

I wish I had the means to donate. I always feel so guilty. The developers of Nvda are truly lovely people. They’ve changed millions of lives with Nvda. That’s something to be proud of.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

 

Hi

 

as mentioned the price how ever the project does ask for donations if you can to keep this worthy project going.

 

You are also not limited to the amount of copies you have on a home network or even bigger like what has just been installed to the Christchurch city library network they just installed 390 copies to there public terminals for the public to use.

It will not time out after 30 or 40 minutes then you have to reboot the computer.

 

the default voice for a windows 10 machine now is windows one core voices but below that is E speak voices. You can also buy synth packages for nvda or use free ones.

 

The FAQ link that has been provided by a couple of users will give you a run down of some of the differences between jaws and nvda.

 

You do not have to buy upgrades and again if people can they can donate to the project no matter how small it is it all counts.

They update or do a release 4 times a year so the fixes are pretty quick to be fixed.

 

The best thing to do is take it for a test drive.

 

 

 

Gene nz

 

On 23/12/2018 2:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences? 

Maria

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


as mentioned the price how ever the project does ask for donations if you can to keep this worthy project going.


You are also not limited to the amount of copies you have on a home network or even bigger like what has just been installed to the Christchurch city library network they just installed 390 copies to there public terminals for the public to use.

It will not time out after 30 or 40 minutes then you have to reboot the computer.


the default voice for a windows 10 machine now is windows one core voices but below that is E speak voices. You can also buy synth packages for nvda or use free ones.


The FAQ link that has been provided by a couple of users will give you a run down of some of the differences between jaws and nvda.


You do not have to buy upgrades and again if people can they can donate to the project no matter how small it is it all counts.

They update or do a release 4 times a year so the fixes are pretty quick to be fixed.


The best thing to do is take it for a test drive.




Gene nz


On 23/12/2018 2:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences? 

Maria
Want to talk all about blind technology? 
Join the tech4theblind group: tech4theblind+subscribe@groups.io
Have an Apple product? Join the Apple411 group to discuss the iPhone, iPad, and Mac. From experienced to new users. 
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

 

The reason I havn't gone bluetooth is the fact there are more batteries to handle.

If you have a need for headphones, are on the go, and don't have other devices, then your cheap as chip 9 dollar crappy units are probably fine.

If you need to use them a lot you can probably get some good ones.

If you have your smart phone maybe jabra or something maybe you use your headsets for your phone, you can probably use the same sets for your tablet, I have a bluetooth car speaker for the phone that my aunt uses and the manual says its specked for 4 devices though you will have to switch from one to the other manually.

On 12/23/2018 12:59 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some Bluetooth headphones for my surface laptop. That would be so cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm using my keyboard

What world is that in? lol. Unless you're referring to the surface pro 6, then it is about on parr with other laptops with solid state storage.


I mean, unless you want to go with a 1 tb spinning hard drive and in
2018, that's a hard sell.


I was using a computer recently that had a core i7-7820HQ (that's a quad
core processor with 8 threads). It had a mechanical 1 terabyte hard
drive, and it was made last year.


Browsing the web was so much slower than on a machine with a solid state
drive. It shouldn't be - after all the web browser was already loaded -
but it was truly painful. Restarting was just about as painful, to. Even
comparing this to a cheap windows device with a solid state drive - even
EMMC storage - and I truthfully can't recommend a mechanical hard drive
these days. And I'm not even getting into general performance. Moving
around the screen was painfully slow. Opening apps took far longer than
a machine with a hard drive, even 4 or 5 years ago, used to. I'm not
sure if it was the screen reader making performance that much worse, but
it was similar to using a computer, back in the day, that had 256 mb of
ram and ran windows xp. Browsing the web, while doable, was probably my
biggest issue.


So, yes, while the surface go is relatively expensive when you increase
the storage space, it comes with the benefit of having a solid state
drive. In todays day and age, we think windows 10 is very light on
resources. It most assuredly is not.

On 2018-12-22 4:29 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah and I was seriously going to buy one at one point.

Not anymore, they cost more than standard laptops to get one with a
lot of space.



On 12/23/2018 10:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
It sucks that these surface devices have these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Oh there will be...

1. Press and hold the power button until the screen turns off (about 10
seconds), then release the power button.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Microsoft logo.
If that doesn't work, use this shutdown process to make sure your
Surface
completely turns off. Here's how:
Press and hold down the power button until your Surface restarts and
you see
the Windows logo screen (this takes about 20 seconds), then release the
power button.
Surface Book, Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, and
Surface Pro
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
If that doesn't work, use this two-button shutdown process to make
sure your
Surface completely turns off. Here's how:
1. Press and hold the power button on your Surface for 30 seconds and
then
release it.
2.
Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button at the same
time
for at least 15 seconds and then release both.
The screen may flash the Surface logo, but continue holding the
buttons down
for at least 15 seconds.
3. After you release the buttons, wait 10 seconds.
4. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
Surface 3, Surface 2, and Surface RT
1. Press and hold the power button for a full 10 seconds, until the
screen
turns off, then release the power button.
Note
On some Surface models, the screen may immediately turn off when
pressing
the power button. If this happens, continue to hold for the full 10
seconds
and then release.
2. Press and release the power button to turn your Surface back on. You
should see the Surface logo.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard


There is no way to manually force this Microsoft surface tablet to shut
down. I guess I'll have to go to the Microsoft store. Maybe they can
fix it.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler
Spivey
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] fore some reason nvda isn't talking when I'm
using my
keyboard

Don't be too discouraged, breaking things is quite normal.

If this is a tablet with a separate keyboard, maybe Bluetooth was turned
off, the batteries died or the keyboard was turned off. Tab should at
least
do something, or pressing any other key should interrupt NVDA from
speaking.
If nothing happens even after reboot, we can figure it out from there.

Here's how to power off your tablet.
1. Try pressing the power button. If that doesn't start the process,
maybe
things aren't set up to work that way, or something is preventing it
from
working.
2. The next thing to try would be a hard power off. This depends on the
machine, but generally holding power for at least 5 seconds will do it.
This doesn't give Windows a chance to shut down properly and save
your work,
so I generally only do this if I can't easily shut it down any other
way.
After that, just power it on normally.

On 12/21/2018 4:19 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys, Molly here again.

I don't know what happened but all of a sudden my keyboard on my
tablet doesn't seem to work with nvda. I press a key, like the windows
key, and nvda is completely silent. It is silent when I press any key
on the keyboard. The only way nvda talks is if I use the mouse.

I don't know what I did, but I am so stupid. I am just too dumb to
ever be a good nvda user. Is there a way to force the machine to
restart? I am feeling completely incompetent.

















.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

molly the blind tech lover
 

I've heard that Nvda does not have those video intercept. I think it hooks in to the operating system using the Microsoft accessibility
API, and if an application doesn't support those API's, then Nvda won't work with the app. I read it online, but can't remember where.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Blackburn
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

The original question was on the difference between Jaws and nvda The differences from my point of you include some keyboard layout differences But the main one I think relates to the use of a Mira driver which jaws uses for the video It used to be called a video intercept this is one of the reasons that you have to reboot your computer after you’ve installed jaws to get that video mirror or whatever they call it now working The other thing is that jaws tends to hold the hand of the use of more And actually provides keystrokes for windows functions that the user would be better off using Windows keys for They also sort of adding these research facilities and all sorts of other weird things into jaws There’s also a lot of legacy things connected with the jaws software From a purely design perspective nvda would be better designed from my point of you than jaws Regards Ian On 23 Dec 2018, at 10:45 am, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. I spend hours on my tablet and my laptop using nvda to browse the web, check email, watch Netflix, do homework, etc. I love nvda. It's the best screen reading software I've ever used. Although, I do have Jaws on my laptop and like to use it occasionally. Especially for reading my textbooks. For everything else I use Nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Having been a Window Eyes user for many years I found it easier to switch to NVDA versus Jaws. I have both on my system but use Jaws very little. For what I do which is mostly surfing the net and Email NVDA does really well.

On 12/22/2018 7:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

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Re: I got my tablet working again

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’m happy. This tablet is wonderful when it’s working properly. It’s so light and very portable. And I love that I have Nvda on it. Just got to keep my cat Mr. Jennings away from it. He’s so adorable.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

 

Here's a high 5 to you!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 6:47 PM

Subject: [nvda] I got my tablet working again

 

Hey guys, molly here again.

I finally got my tablet/nvda working again. From the lock screen, I clicked on the power option, and thank god. The machine restarted itself. Nvda immediately turned on, and just to be sure, I exited and restarted nvda about five times. Okay, not that many.

I don’t know what the problem was to begin with, but I am glad I don’t have to take the machine to the Microsoft store. I’ll try not to panic the next time something like this happens. I am really sorry, you guys, that I freaked out like that. I am going to work really hard at becoming competent nvda user. It’s my goal.


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Ian Blackburn
 

The original question was on the difference between Jaws and nvda
The differences from my point of you include some keyboard layout differences
But the main one I think relates to the use of a Mira driver which jaws uses for the video
It used to be called a video intercept this is one of the reasons that you have to reboot your computer after you’ve installed jaws to get that video mirror or whatever they call it now working
The other thing is that jaws tends to hold the hand of the use of more
And actually provides keystrokes for windows functions that the user would be better off using Windows keys for
They also sort of adding these research facilities and all sorts of other weird things into jaws
There’s also a lot of legacy things connected with the jaws software
From a purely design perspective nvda would be better designed from my point of you than jaws
Regards Ian

On 23 Dec 2018, at 10:45 am, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. I spend hours on my tablet and my laptop using nvda to browse the web, check email, watch Netflix, do homework, etc. I love nvda. It's the best screen reading software I've ever used. Although, I do have Jaws on my laptop and like to use it occasionally. Especially for reading my textbooks. For everything else I use Nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws?

Having been a Window Eyes user for many years I found it easier to switch to NVDA versus Jaws. I have both on my system but use Jaws very little. For what I do which is mostly surfing the net and Email NVDA does really well.

On 12/22/2018 7:50 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
How different is NVDA than Jaws? what are some differences?

Maria
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