Date   

Re: New Member

 

Ok, that’s good to hear, I will test this out once I have the display connected.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Hi,

Yes.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I forgot to ask, is the same thing done for braille displays as well when you turn the extra column off?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Hi,

Yes, this is Joseph Lee, the current developer of SPL add-on speaking, and yes, I’m always here (taking more of a background role at the moment due to one or two important projects I’m working on).

The bug Keao is talking about: as Roger pointed out, you can reduce column content verbosity. This is done via Add-on settings (Alt+NVDA+0 from Studio window)/Column announcements/Manage. First, tell NvDA to not announce columns as shown on screen (the first checkbox from Column Announcements category), then click Manage button. Then go through list of columns and uncheck the box for the column you wish to suppress and/or manipulate a list where you can set column announcement order. Click OK, and from main settings window, click OK to save changes.

Note that column announcement settings are show specific (termed “broadcast profiles”). In other words, you can change what columns will be suppressed and the order in which they will be announced on a show to show basis (or in some cases, while you are not on the air versus while you are broadcasting).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I know there is a way to silence that stuff but I don't remember right now. I'm getting ready for my big 12 hour show so I can't look it up right now but there are several others here who use that add on and Joseph may be in here too and he is the main developer of it.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 10:22 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

That’s me.

I’ve been using the add on for a while and it’s great!

I just wish I could silence the speech when it comes to the columns like duration and stuff like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 

 


Re: New Member

 

Hi,

Yes.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I forgot to ask, is the same thing done for braille displays as well when you turn the extra column off?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Hi,

Yes, this is Joseph Lee, the current developer of SPL add-on speaking, and yes, I’m always here (taking more of a background role at the moment due to one or two important projects I’m working on).

The bug Keao is talking about: as Roger pointed out, you can reduce column content verbosity. This is done via Add-on settings (Alt+NVDA+0 from Studio window)/Column announcements/Manage. First, tell NvDA to not announce columns as shown on screen (the first checkbox from Column Announcements category), then click Manage button. Then go through list of columns and uncheck the box for the column you wish to suppress and/or manipulate a list where you can set column announcement order. Click OK, and from main settings window, click OK to save changes.

Note that column announcement settings are show specific (termed “broadcast profiles”). In other words, you can change what columns will be suppressed and the order in which they will be announced on a show to show basis (or in some cases, while you are not on the air versus while you are broadcasting).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I know there is a way to silence that stuff but I don't remember right now. I'm getting ready for my big 12 hour show so I can't look it up right now but there are several others here who use that add on and Joseph may be in here too and he is the main developer of it.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 10:22 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

That’s me.

I’ve been using the add on for a while and it’s great!

I just wish I could silence the speech when it comes to the columns like duration and stuff like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 

 


Re: New Member

 

I forgot to ask, is the same thing done for braille displays as well when you turn the extra column off?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Hi,

Yes, this is Joseph Lee, the current developer of SPL add-on speaking, and yes, I’m always here (taking more of a background role at the moment due to one or two important projects I’m working on).

The bug Keao is talking about: as Roger pointed out, you can reduce column content verbosity. This is done via Add-on settings (Alt+NVDA+0 from Studio window)/Column announcements/Manage. First, tell NvDA to not announce columns as shown on screen (the first checkbox from Column Announcements category), then click Manage button. Then go through list of columns and uncheck the box for the column you wish to suppress and/or manipulate a list where you can set column announcement order. Click OK, and from main settings window, click OK to save changes.

Note that column announcement settings are show specific (termed “broadcast profiles”). In other words, you can change what columns will be suppressed and the order in which they will be announced on a show to show basis (or in some cases, while you are not on the air versus while you are broadcasting).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I know there is a way to silence that stuff but I don't remember right now. I'm getting ready for my big 12 hour show so I can't look it up right now but there are several others here who use that add on and Joseph may be in here too and he is the main developer of it.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 10:22 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

That’s me.

I’ve been using the add on for a while and it’s great!

I just wish I could silence the speech when it comes to the columns like duration and stuff like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 

 


Re: New Member

 

Hey thanks joseph, I’ll take a look!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Hi,

Yes, this is Joseph Lee, the current developer of SPL add-on speaking, and yes, I’m always here (taking more of a background role at the moment due to one or two important projects I’m working on).

The bug Keao is talking about: as Roger pointed out, you can reduce column content verbosity. This is done via Add-on settings (Alt+NVDA+0 from Studio window)/Column announcements/Manage. First, tell NvDA to not announce columns as shown on screen (the first checkbox from Column Announcements category), then click Manage button. Then go through list of columns and uncheck the box for the column you wish to suppress and/or manipulate a list where you can set column announcement order. Click OK, and from main settings window, click OK to save changes.

Note that column announcement settings are show specific (termed “broadcast profiles”). In other words, you can change what columns will be suppressed and the order in which they will be announced on a show to show basis (or in some cases, while you are not on the air versus while you are broadcasting).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I know there is a way to silence that stuff but I don't remember right now. I'm getting ready for my big 12 hour show so I can't look it up right now but there are several others here who use that add on and Joseph may be in here too and he is the main developer of it.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 10:22 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

That’s me.

I’ve been using the add on for a while and it’s great!

I just wish I could silence the speech when it comes to the columns like duration and stuff like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 

 


Re: New Member

 

Hi,
There is an ongoing research project (investigated by at least two NVDA developers, not me) that seeks to use a different means of communication between Office applications and NVDA to speed things up (to those keeping an eye on NVDA code changes and issue database should know what I'm talking about). Preliminary results show performance improvements in certain situations when using Word and Outlook, and in some cases, fixes some long-standing bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

Hi Joseph, I agree, I wish that nvda did work better with office.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

Hi,
First, to Keao: ah yes, nice to see you here.
As for Office and NVDA, all I can say is that NVDA developers are also worried about performance and collaboration issues between NVDA and Office, and we're looking into how to make things better for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything
Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations.
I love the Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the
Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA
exclusively since 2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in
some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can
do better thanks to all the great add ons available. There is an SPL
add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other
little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group
and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it
was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io
it's great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the
commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: New Member

 

Hi,

Yes, this is Joseph Lee, the current developer of SPL add-on speaking, and yes, I’m always here (taking more of a background role at the moment due to one or two important projects I’m working on).

The bug Keao is talking about: as Roger pointed out, you can reduce column content verbosity. This is done via Add-on settings (Alt+NVDA+0 from Studio window)/Column announcements/Manage. First, tell NvDA to not announce columns as shown on screen (the first checkbox from Column Announcements category), then click Manage button. Then go through list of columns and uncheck the box for the column you wish to suppress and/or manipulate a list where you can set column announcement order. Click OK, and from main settings window, click OK to save changes.

Note that column announcement settings are show specific (termed “broadcast profiles”). In other words, you can change what columns will be suppressed and the order in which they will be announced on a show to show basis (or in some cases, while you are not on the air versus while you are broadcasting).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

I know there is a way to silence that stuff but I don't remember right now. I'm getting ready for my big 12 hour show so I can't look it up right now but there are several others here who use that add on and Joseph may be in here too and he is the main developer of it.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 10:22 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

That’s me.

I’ve been using the add on for a while and it’s great!

I just wish I could silence the speech when it comes to the columns like duration and stuff like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 

 


Re: New Member

 

Hi Joseph, I agree, I wish that nvda did work better with office.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

Hi,
First, to Keao: ah yes, nice to see you here.
As for Office and NVDA, all I can say is that NVDA developers are also worried about performance and collaboration issues between NVDA and Office, and we're looking into how to make things better for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything
Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations.
I love the Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the
Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA
exclusively since 2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in
some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can
do better thanks to all the great add ons available. There is an SPL
add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other
little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group
and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it
was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io
it's great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the
commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: New Member

 

Ok, I can wait for that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

It’s on by default.  I would wait for Joseph Lee’s tutorial or you can look at the user guide if you learn well as it presents the discussion.  I don’t think most people would learn it well that way.  You have to learn commands and what they mean. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Ah ok.

Now how do you turn on object navigation?

I would probably need a regular desktop keyboard to use it right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

If you use control home, you should move to the beginning of the page.  Home moves to the beginning of the line.  This should happen in any standard edit field.  Browse mode follows all standard windows movement commands used in standard edit fields.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Wow molly, that's awesome, when I hit the home key, it doesn't go to the beginning of the line, it just says top, and I half to hit control home.

Is there also a way you can make it tell you that a webpage is loaded, I can hear the tones, and all, but the pages load fast when you use chrome.


On Dec 24, 2018, at 6:47 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 


Re: New Member

 

Hi,
If talking about Office 365 version, it is broken (yet again) due to changes made to the spell checker interface from Word.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

One thing that does need to be addressed in office is the spellcheck function and NVDA. With some of the comertial products, if you pressed f7, they would say, "not in dictumary, followed by, spell the word, then, they would say, suggestions, followed by, speak the suggestions, then spell the suggestions. I think that functionality needs to be incorporated into NVDA. Thanks, Sky.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

Hi,
First, to Keao: ah yes, nice to see you here.
As for Office and NVDA, all I can say is that NVDA developers are also worried about performance and collaboration issues between NVDA and Office, and we're looking into how to make things better for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything
Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations.
I love the Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the
Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA
exclusively since 2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in
some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can
do better thanks to all the great add ons available. There is an SPL
add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other
little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group
and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it
was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io
it's great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the
commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: New Member

Gene
 

It’s on by default.  I would wait for Joseph Lee’s tutorial or you can look at the user guide if you learn well as it presents the discussion.  I don’t think most people would learn it well that way.  You have to learn commands and what they mean. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member
 

Ah ok.

Now how do you turn on object navigation?

I would probably need a regular desktop keyboard to use it right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

If you use control home, you should move to the beginning of the page.  Home moves to the beginning of the line.  This should happen in any standard edit field.  Browse mode follows all standard windows movement commands used in standard edit fields.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Keao Wright

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Wow molly, that's awesome, when I hit the home key, it doesn't go to the beginning of the line, it just says top, and I half to hit control home.

Is there also a way you can make it tell you that a webpage is loaded, I can hear the tones, and all, but the pages load fast when you use chrome.


On Dec 24, 2018, at 6:47 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 


Re: New Member

Sky Mundell
 

One thing that does need to be addressed in office is the spellcheck function and NVDA. With some of the comertial products, if you pressed f7, they would say, "not in dictumary, followed by, spell the word, then, they would say, suggestions, followed by, speak the suggestions, then spell the suggestions. I think that functionality needs to be incorporated into NVDA. Thanks, Sky.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

Hi,
First, to Keao: ah yes, nice to see you here.
As for Office and NVDA, all I can say is that NVDA developers are also worried about performance and collaboration issues between NVDA and Office, and we're looking into how to make things better for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything
Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations.
I love the Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the
Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA
exclusively since 2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in
some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can
do better thanks to all the great add ons available. There is an SPL
add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other
little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group
and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it
was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io
it's great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the
commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: New Member

 

Hi,
First, to Keao: ah yes, nice to see you here.
As for Office and NVDA, all I can say is that NVDA developers are also worried about performance and collaboration issues between NVDA and Office, and we're looking into how to make things better for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement Chou
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything
Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations.
I love the Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the
Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA
exclusively since 2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in
some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can
do better thanks to all the great add ons available. There is an SPL
add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other
little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group
and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it
was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io
it's great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the
commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: New Member

 

Ah ok.

Now how do you turn on object navigation?

I would probably need a regular desktop keyboard to use it right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

If you use control home, you should move to the beginning of the page.  Home moves to the beginning of the line.  This should happen in any standard edit field.  Browse mode follows all standard windows movement commands used in standard edit fields.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Wow molly, that's awesome, when I hit the home key, it doesn't go to the beginning of the line, it just says top, and I half to hit control home.

Is there also a way you can make it tell you that a webpage is loaded, I can hear the tones, and all, but the pages load fast when you use chrome.


On Dec 24, 2018, at 6:47 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 


Re: New Member

Gene
 

If you use control home, you should move to the beginning of the page.  Home moves to the beginning of the line.  This should happen in any standard edit field.  Browse mode follows all standard windows movement commands used in standard edit fields.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member
 
Wow molly, that's awesome, when I hit the home key, it doesn't go to the beginning of the line, it just says top, and I half to hit control home.
Is there also a way you can make it tell you that a webpage is loaded, I can hear the tones, and all, but the pages load fast when you use chrome.


On Dec 24, 2018, at 6:47 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 


Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

Gene
 

I have strong beliefs and feelings about how this subject should be taught.  I shall try to explain them reasonably briefly and clearly.
 
I have no objection to briefly discussing such concepts but after very brief discussion, a number of concrete examples should be given.  Run a program.  Show how you move up the hierarchy  and what is in the different windows until you are out of the program.  Give a little discussion first so the demonstration is in context and explain as you demonstrate again that you are moving up through the hierarchy. 
 
And, while it may make sense to use such terms as parent and child during the initial brief introduction, I find these terms unimportant and cumbersome for nontechnical uses such as this and I don’t think they should continue to be used to any extent. 
You might just say you moved up one level.  Or perhaps initially, in the demonstration of the first tree, you might say, you moved up one level.  You are now in the parent window but that doesn’t matter except technically.  you moved up one level.  I never think in gterms of parent and child window.  I think of one window inside another.  That may be technically incorrect or partly so, but that iss how I think of it and how I experience it.  Window-eyes used to use terms such as parent window and child window when a program would open.  They dropped this because it served no purpose in terms of the general user working with the interface and just was excessive verbiage.
 
I once read a long involved explanation of the Windows interface when I was first learning.  It taught me little of value and was very discouraging.  Then I found material that taught with a little explanation followed by concrete demonstrations and probably discussions during the demonstrations.  I learned wwwell with such material and I found that Windows was very understandable with such teaching methods.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor
 
Hi,
I understand that the concept of object hierarchy may not make sense for some at first. But I still believe that it is essential that it is mentioned for sake of completeness and to help folks digest the command sets easily (at least). Also, talking about this concept may or may not open up the doors for discussing how browse mode and screen review works behind the scenes (and to some extent, discuss how accessibility API's sees the GUI world).
A few weeks ago I thought I read a thread here (or somewhere) on how to navigate ribbons. In that thread, someone mentioned pressing down arrow and/or Tab to move down to ribbon items. That thread is one of those that demonstrates how controls are laid out on screen, or in some cases, how they are organized.
Speaking of how things are laid out on screen, I think there is another message that talks about NVDA+B command (read foreground window) and how NVDA won't pick up some controls. This is because NVDA will ignore layout controls (things that are there for layout purposes), termed "simple review mode"; to look at things NVDA won't announce by default via object navigation, one must turn off simple review mode (recent NVDA releases come with an unassigned command to toggle this; this reminds me to talk about simple review mode in more detail soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 4:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

But Joseph, this is precisely why people do not understand its concepts. You will be talking to people who may be just about ok with a program open in a window the desktop in another, but not the hierarchy of sub windows inside the application other than, say an open box etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor


Hi,
I beg to differ somewhat:
1. Object hierarchy: without talking about that, object navigation won't make a lot of sense. This is because the commands defined in NVDA will refer to parents, children and so on, and one way to get a grasp of this is hierarchy (how interface elements are organized).
2. Splitting into multiple tutorials: I'd rather not at this point, as the aim is to talk about everything you need to know when it comes to using object navigation (this is the reason why I said I'll include concepts form the user guide along with experiences).

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

Hi,

well, the add-on simplifies object navigation for the normal user. I thought the tutorial was intended to address the normal users incl. beginners. But yes, an advanced user tutorial would ofcourse include also the principles of object hierarchy and the difference between simple and detailed object hierarchy. I don't know if this is understandable for beginners. We must bare in mind that object navigation principles can be very complex and in some cases could overwelm users. I would try to explain it as simple as possible without much developping details. Maybe two or three practical examples would bring more benefits for users than the theoretical principles behind it. But this is only my opinion.

In a second tutorial theoretical principles could be addressed, if people want it.


Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2018 19:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
I need evidence to suggest that ObjPad add-on makes object navigation much
better. Besides, I think it would be helpful to get a high level overview of
what object navigation is and how it works before talking about the add-on
(what if some people do not wish to use the add-on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hey Joseph,

maybe you consider doing the tutorial with objpad and structure it along
that addon. I think for most users objpad makes object navigation much
easier. The object navigation as it is now implemented in NVDA is actually
too less user friendly. Especially if you have parent objects with lots of
siplings as it is in a browser for example.

Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2018 19:22
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
The tutorial I'll be writing will be based on concepts described in the user
guide, along with what I've learned over the years as an NVDA user and
developer.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi Joseph,
I think a tutorial on object navigation would be helpful when you have time.
Many on this list would appreciate it.
Have a merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
In order to understand how object navigation works, it is helpful to get an
overview of how things are laid out on screen. Effectively, when you use
this mode, you're navigating in and out of various controls on screen
(hierarchy, if you will).
I'll wait for more requests before writing a slightly more thorough tutorial
on object navigation (I think I did this before, but can't remember quite
well at the moment due to volume of changes since than and in the midst of
preparing for Christmas festivities).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

I'd surely appreciate that. I too have a problem understanding Object
navigation as I was a 18 year user of Window Eyes. Thank You.

On 12/23/2018 8:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If people want, I’m willing to “transcribe” object navigation portion
> of my tutorial series or do a more thorough write up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
> Goldfield
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:50 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ...
> JAWS cursor
>
> Ann,
>
> I can well relate to this struggle with object navigation. When I
> first started using NVDA in 2009 I had been a user of JAWS since version
> 1.0.
> At that time, object navigation was so confusing that I felt that I
> had to turn my mind inside out just to get a grip on it and, for a
> while, I pretty much ignored the capability. I just used the standard
> arrow keys to navigate and was pretty content doing so.
>
> A few things turned me around, however. First, understanding the Mac's
> method of interacting with windows within windows or controls within a
> window helped as the concepts, to me, were similar. And, while I don't
> want to turn this into a JAWS vs NVDA debate, the fact is that object
> navigation on the numeric keypad will allow you to explore certain
> program windows that the JAWS cursor just doesn't see, especially in
> Windows 10. When I was training new users in how to use NVDA I know
> that some of them would never have been able to deal with object
> navigation.
> However, pressing insert-7 (on the number pad) to put NVDA into flat
> review mode may work for a lot of people, even though this mode may
> not work for all windows. Within this mode and even in the standard
> review mode the number pad commands may be more intuitive with 7, 8
> and 9 for previous, current and next line, 4, 5 and 6 for previous,
> current and next word and 1, 2 and 3 for previous, current and next
> character. This feels very comfortable for me since ASAP, a screen
> reader I used in the DOS days, used the same commands for its review
> capability.
>
> David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
> WWW.David-Goldfield.Com <http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
>
> On 12/23/2018 11:40 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
>
>     My most difficult issue with NVDA is understanding object view.  I
>     struggle to move freely around the screen the way the JAWS cursor
>     often does.
>
>
>
>

































Clock and Calendar: version 18.12.1 reverted due to upgrade bug

 

Hi all,

 

A few days ago Clock and Calendar 18.12.1 was released by add-on authors (not me). Since then, several users discovered a bug where this add-on won’t load settings correctly. Subsequent investigation returned an upgrade bug where the add-on may claim to convert add-on settings to a new format when in fact it wasn’t done properly, caused by the fact that old settings will be saved once NVDA restarts.

 

Thus, the add-on files database has been changed to return version 18.12 of this add-on until a patch is developed, and I’ll be suggesting a possible bug fix to add-on authors.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: New Member

 

Wow molly, that's awesome, when I hit the home key, it doesn't go to the beginning of the line, it just says top, and I half to hit control home.
Is there also a way you can make it tell you that a webpage is loaded, I can hear the tones, and all, but the pages load fast when you use chrome.


On Dec 24, 2018, at 6:47 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!

 


Re: New Member

Clement Chou
 

MY only complaint is that NVDA and office need to learn to work
together much better. At least in the latest versions!

On 12/24/18, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

I've been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws
can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the
Nvda add ons.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member



Just saw your post on the NVDA group. I'm almost sure you are the Keao who
is often in the Dementia Radio chat. I've been using NVDA exclusively
since
2012. I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do
some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all
the
great add ons available. There is an SPL add on that does everything the
JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't
know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and
I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


















On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I'm from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was
on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it's
great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands
apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!









Re: How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

 

Hi,
I understand that the concept of object hierarchy may not make sense for some at first. But I still believe that it is essential that it is mentioned for sake of completeness and to help folks digest the command sets easily (at least). Also, talking about this concept may or may not open up the doors for discussing how browse mode and screen review works behind the scenes (and to some extent, discuss how accessibility API's sees the GUI world).
A few weeks ago I thought I read a thread here (or somewhere) on how to navigate ribbons. In that thread, someone mentioned pressing down arrow and/or Tab to move down to ribbon items. That thread is one of those that demonstrates how controls are laid out on screen, or in some cases, how they are organized.
Speaking of how things are laid out on screen, I think there is another message that talks about NVDA+B command (read foreground window) and how NVDA won't pick up some controls. This is because NVDA will ignore layout controls (things that are there for layout purposes), termed "simple review mode"; to look at things NVDA won't announce by default via object navigation, one must turn off simple review mode (recent NVDA releases come with an unassigned command to toggle this; this reminds me to talk about simple review mode in more detail soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

But Joseph, this is precisely why people do not understand its concepts. You will be talking to people who may be just about ok with a program open in a window the desktop in another, but not the hierarchy of sub windows inside the application other than, say an open box etc.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor


Hi,
I beg to differ somewhat:
1. Object hierarchy: without talking about that, object navigation won't make a lot of sense. This is because the commands defined in NVDA will refer to parents, children and so on, and one way to get a grasp of this is hierarchy (how interface elements are organized).
2. Splitting into multiple tutorials: I'd rather not at this point, as the aim is to talk about everything you need to know when it comes to using object navigation (this is the reason why I said I'll include concepts form the user guide along with experiences).

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS cursor

Hi,

well, the add-on simplifies object navigation for the normal user. I thought the tutorial was intended to address the normal users incl. beginners. But yes, an advanced user tutorial would ofcourse include also the principles of object hierarchy and the difference between simple and detailed object hierarchy. I don't know if this is understandable for beginners. We must bare in mind that object navigation principles can be very complex and in some cases could overwelm users. I would try to explain it as simple as possible without much developping details. Maybe two or three practical examples would bring more benefits for users than the theoretical principles behind it. But this is only my opinion.

In a second tutorial theoretical principles could be addressed, if people want it.


Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2018 19:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
I need evidence to suggest that ObjPad add-on makes object navigation much
better. Besides, I think it would be helpful to get a high level overview of
what object navigation is and how it works before talking about the add-on
(what if some people do not wish to use the add-on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hey Joseph,

maybe you consider doing the tutorial with objpad and structure it along
that addon. I think for most users objpad makes object navigation much
easier. The object navigation as it is now implemented in NVDA is actually
too less user friendly. Especially if you have parent objects with lots of
siplings as it is in a browser for example.

Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2018 19:22
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
The tutorial I'll be writing will be based on concepts described in the user
guide, along with what I've learned over the years as an NVDA user and
developer.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi Joseph,
I think a tutorial on object navigation would be helpful when you have time.
Many on this list would appreciate it.
Have a merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

Hi,
In order to understand how object navigation works, it is helpful to get an
overview of how things are laid out on screen. Effectively, when you use
this mode, you're navigating in and out of various controls on screen
(hierarchy, if you will).
I'll wait for more requests before writing a slightly more thorough tutorial
on object navigation (I think I did this before, but can't remember quite
well at the moment due to volume of changes since than and in the midst of
preparing for Christmas festivities).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ... JAWS
cursor

I'd surely appreciate that. I too have a problem understanding Object
navigation as I was a 18 year user of Window Eyes. Thank You.

On 12/23/2018 8:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

If people want, I’m willing to “transcribe” object navigation portion
of my tutorial series or do a more thorough write up.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Goldfield
*Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:50 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] How different is NVDA different than Jaws? ...
JAWS cursor

Ann,

I can well relate to this struggle with object navigation. When I
first started using NVDA in 2009 I had been a user of JAWS since version
1.0.
At that time, object navigation was so confusing that I felt that I
had to turn my mind inside out just to get a grip on it and, for a
while, I pretty much ignored the capability. I just used the standard
arrow keys to navigate and was pretty content doing so.

A few things turned me around, however. First, understanding the Mac's
method of interacting with windows within windows or controls within a
window helped as the concepts, to me, were similar. And, while I don't
want to turn this into a JAWS vs NVDA debate, the fact is that object
navigation on the numeric keypad will allow you to explore certain
program windows that the JAWS cursor just doesn't see, especially in
Windows 10. When I was training new users in how to use NVDA I know
that some of them would never have been able to deal with object
navigation.
However, pressing insert-7 (on the number pad) to put NVDA into flat
review mode may work for a lot of people, even though this mode may
not work for all windows. Within this mode and even in the standard
review mode the number pad commands may be more intuitive with 7, 8
and 9 for previous, current and next line, 4, 5 and 6 for previous,
current and next word and 1, 2 and 3 for previous, current and next
character. This feels very comfortable for me since ASAP, a screen
reader I used in the DOS days, used the same commands for its review
capability.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com <http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>

On 12/23/2018 11:40 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:

My most difficult issue with NVDA is understanding object view. I
struggle to move freely around the screen the way the JAWS cursor
often does.




Re: New Member

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I’ve been using Nvda for two years and also find it does everything Jaws can, and in my experience it works better in certain situations. I love the Nvda add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member

 

Just saw your post on the NVDA group.  I'm almost sure you are the Keao who is often in the Dementia Radio chat.  I've been using NVDA exclusively since 2012.  I find it will do anything JAWS can, and in some cases, it can do some things JAWS can't do and many things it can do better thanks to all the great add ons available.  There is an SPL add on that does everything the JAWS scripts can do and several other little tricks that the script doesn't know how to do.


Hope you will enjoy using NVDA and ask anything you want on the group and I'm sure you'll find the answer.


Roger


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/24/2018 12:01 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi, I would like to introduce myself.

I am Keao, and I’m from Hawaii.

I use to be on the old nvda group back in I think in 2004 or 5 when it was on yahoo groups.

I wondered where this group went to, since you guys moved to groups.io it’s great!

Been an NVDA user for almost a year now, still getting use to the commands apart from Jaws.

Glad to meet you all!