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Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

It would have been nice.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Let's see if alt S works here. Nope, it just takes me to the subject. too bad it wasn't alt s, though; it would make more sense.

Annette

On 12/26/2018 11:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.  I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.  If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
 - momentarily
 - suspenders
 - chips
 - pants
 - jelly
 - pavement
 - vest
 - pint (and gallon)
 - pissed


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Re: Tutorial/overview: object navigation

Charles Adkins
 

sorry for such a dumb question, but where can I find this tutorial? Thank you

On Dec 26, 2018, at 1:07 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for this tutorial. The light bulb has come on! The various
analogies were quite helpful.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 12/25/18, Hope Williamson <ladyhope@gmx.com> wrote:
This was pretty epic! I'm starting to get object navigation after using NVDA
since 2013 lol.





Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings choices too.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox


Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???


What links are unlabelled ?
All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda 18.4

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

Or what do you want nvda to do ?



From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: outlook is working again...

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

In all 4 of the email packages I have used Outlook, Gmail, Windows Mail and Thunderbird, ctrl+enter has been the shortcut key combination to send a message.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 07:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

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�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Chris
 

Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???

 

 

What links are unlabelled ?

All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda 18.4

 

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

 

Or what do you want nvda to do ?

 

 

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.

 


Re: outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.
Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith and creed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,

I had a wonderful Christmas with my family. We had pprime rib and it was really good.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith and creed

Hey list! Just want to wish everybody a merry Christmas! Hope you all have a good one@!

On 12/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
In other words, let us hope we can all learn to live together without
killing one another in the coming years, please!

Together

Together,
We Hate and lie,
Together,
we suffer and cry.
Together,
we fight and die.
Why can't we learn to live,
together.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas


Happy Christmas.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:29 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda-translations@groups.io;
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Merry Christmas

Hi everione, happy merry Christmas 2018














Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith andcreed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

A very Merry Christmas to you and Traci. I hope you had a great one as I did.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 11:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith andcreed

 

Hi all!

Have a very merry Christmas all, and really take time to examine your lives, and see what your passions are and follow them!

God bless!

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith andcreed

 

Hey list! Just want to wish everybody a merry Christmas! Hope you all

have a good one@!

 

On 12/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:

> In other words, let us hope we can all learn to live together without

> killing one another  in the coming years, please!

> Together

> Together,

> We Hate and lie,

> Together,

> we suffer and cry.

> Together,

> we fight and die.

> Why can't we learn to live,

> together.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal E-mail to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 12:25 AM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas

> Happy Christmas.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik

> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:29 PM

> To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda-translations@groups.io;

> nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] Merry Christmas

> Hi everione, happy merry Christmas 2018

>

 

 

 


Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever yourfaithandcreed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Maria,

 

I had a wonderful Christmas too. We did have prime rib for dinner and it was quite good. I';ll report what I got later.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever yourfaithandcreed

 

Hi all 

Hope you had a amazing Christmas. I haven't opened presents but I will report what I got later. 

Maria

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On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:25 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hmmm that is different.

I have got some molds like this for a birthday present to use with ice cubes, as yet I havn't used them though.



On 12/26/2018 3:45 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I had crab and stuffed mushrooms. The crab was in the shape of a baseball. It tasted very good.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 9:30 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever yourfaithandcreed

 

Well taking the christmas thing to a slightly new tangent while we can talk about such things, anyone had any new interesting weird but still christmas themed food this year.

 

For me, it was christmas mince pies, which were quite large almost like small muffins.

 

Half the filling was the standard christmas mince, but the rest was lemon jam and honey, and those were served hot.

 

I never thought about having jam on my pies, its actually quite good.

 

 

 

On 12/26/2018 3:03 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Molly,

 

I just got home from visiting my family and we had a wonderful Christmas.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 5:01 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever

yourfaithandcreed

 

i love spending time with family and friends on christmas.

Get Outlook for Android

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ian

Blackburn <ianblackburn@...>

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 7:48:40 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your

faithandcreed

  The best part about Christmas is the Christ I celebrate Regards Ian

 

On 26 Dec 2018, at 7:56 am, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

Ame, I haven't seen your name in quite a while.

A Merry Christmas to you and everyone else here as well.

Travis

On 12/25/2018 1:16 PM, Ame wrote:

Well said David!  My passion is the one whose birth we celebrate today.  I follow Him but I sometimes fall down on the job.  Good thing He loves me anyway, huh?  Lol  Merry Christmas everybody!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Re: outlook is working again...

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.  I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.  If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

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 - chips
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 - pavement
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 - pissed


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Re: outlook is working again...

Annette Moore
 

Let's see if alt S works here. Nope, it just takes me to the subject. too bad it wasn't alt s, though; it would make more sense.

Annette

On 12/26/2018 11:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.  I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.  If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
 - momentarily
 - suspenders
 - chips
 - pants
 - jelly
 - pavement
 - vest
 - pint (and gallon)
 - pissed


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Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.  I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.  If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
 - momentarily
 - suspenders
 - chips
 - pants
 - jelly
 - pavement
 - vest
 - pint (and gallon)
 - pissed


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Re: Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

Lino Morales
 

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe Joseph did make an audio tutorial or a written one on his site which he’d have to provide the URL.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:28:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor
 
Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is any tutorial demonstrating the use and
power of the add-on Golden Cursor? This Add-on might be useful in
instance where even Object Navigation cannot help to read the screen.  A
google search turn up nothing for me. Please advise, I am all-ears. Thanks.






Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is any tutorial demonstrating the use and power of the add-on Golden Cursor? This Add-on might be useful in instance where even Object Navigation cannot help to read the screen.  A google search turn up nothing for me. Please advise, I am all-ears. Thanks.


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Thanks for this information, Brian. I’ll have to run this up the flagpole with Simplecast support.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

By the way, the previous was taken from a session in Chrome, and it's clear that the unlabeled state is the direct result of the link in question not having label text and that being the thing that's used to create the links list "names/labels" in the NVDA dialog.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

By the way, the previous was taken from a session in Chrome, and it's clear that the unlabeled state is the direct result of the link in question not having label text and that being the thing that's used to create the links list "names/labels" in the NVDA dialog.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

The unlabeled link on Simplecast.com, that comes between the "Get an early look" and "Help Center" links is a link to Twitter that uses the Twitter Bird icon to identify it.  But when I hover over it "Simplecast on Twitter" shows up, and I have no idea why that's not shown/read in the links list.

The source for that item is:
<a class="link-twitter" title="Simplecast on Twitter" target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/simplecast"><i class='flaticon social twitter-1'></i>
</a>

and for the Help Center it's:
<a class="link-support" title="Help Center" target="_blank" href="https://help.simplecast.com">Help Center
</a>

It appears that what NVDA is using is the text (if any) that immediately precedes the closing </a>, rather than the title attribute.  This quite possibly makes sense if there is text in this area, but I'd think it should default back to the title attribute if not.  This being said, I am not a screen reader programmer.  I'm simply going on what's available in the HTML and how I'd handle this by looking for something else to use if the primary thing one normally uses to construct the list of link names is absent.  It would certainly make more sense to have a system in place to have first choice, second choice, third choice, . . . to unlabeled.  It would give the user a lot more accurate information were that particular link labeled with its title, "Simplecast on Twitter," rather than unlabeled.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Lino Morales
 

Hi. I only hear one link that is unlabeled with NVDA 2018.54. Don’t know if JAWS 2019 will read that unlabeled link.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:44:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox
 

On www.Simplecast.com and www.yetcast.simplecast.fm, I can see them on home page.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Do you see them on the home pages? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:48 PM

Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: outlook is working again...

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
 - momentarily
 - suspenders
 - chips
 - pants
 - jelly
 - pavement
 - vest
 - pint (and gallon)
 - pissed


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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On www.Simplecast.com and www.yetcast.simplecast.fm, I can see them on home page.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Do you see them on the home pages? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:48 PM

Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.