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Re: Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

                                I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

We don't know if the problem occurs in other places than the elements list.  However, It is unlikely that this problem is confined to the elements list.  it probably affects the links wherever you see them.
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Don’t use the elements list then its that simple

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:

Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???

Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

But no one has said that they tested any of these sites using older versions of NVDA where the links were read.  I have older versions here.  If someone will send specific pages where such problems occur, they can be checked by me and/or others. 
At this point, we don't know if the problem is the sites, which may or may not have changed, or NVDA, which may or may not have changed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hey all,


I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was
that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or
webmasters used to build the sites.


There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear
"Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where
they take you.


It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation
in Chrome.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine
> portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before
> bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings
> choices too.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io"
> <chrismedley@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version
> of NVDA and Firefox
>
>
> Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???
>
>
> What links are unlabelled ?
> All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda
> 18.4
>
> What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?
>
> Or what do you want nvda to do ?
>
>
>
> From: Governor staten
> Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of
> NVDA and Firefox
>
> Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve
> seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory,
> or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm
> Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest
> version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have
> to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas
> as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.
>
> An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My
> roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same
> version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am,
> particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to
> all in advance for any assistance that can be given.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Chris
 

Don’t use the elements list then its that simple

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:

Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???

Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Chris
 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hey all,


I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or webmasters used to build the sites.


There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear "Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where they take you.


It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation in Chrome.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings choices too.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox


Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???


What links are unlabelled ?
All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda 18.4

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

Or what do you want nvda to do ?



From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.









Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:
Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???
Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Best Wordprocesor

Gene
 

Please do not use vulgarity on the list.  The list has over 1000 members and some of them are likely to find such language offensive. 
 
Gene, moderator

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

You are shit out of luck if you want to do footnotes in a program other than MS Word. The below, though, may be some pages that may help. This will be in markdown, so switch off your text only view.


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

Also, I see the control to sign the petition below where you enter your information as a button.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

Please send the address of a specific page where you see such a link.  I looked at one petition and saw none.  I looked at the entire home page and saw none.  Also, what browser are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Best Wordprocesor

 

You are shit out of luck if you want to do footnotes in a program other than MS Word. The below, though, may be some pages that may help. This will be in markdown, so switch off your text only view.


Re: Graphics that contain links

Antony Stone
 

1. I suspect that rather than saying two words "wrecked angle", it is saying
the single word "rectangle".

2. Can you give us the URL of a page containing this link so we can
investigate for ourselves?

3. Have you tried contacting the owners of the site to tell them about this
change and the effect it has on screen readers, to see if they can change it
back to something that works again?

Antony.

On Thursday 27 December 2018 at 13:39:04, Peter Beasley wrote:

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple
of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions.
They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked
angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links
using NVDA which is my only screen reader..
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him."

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Re: outlook is working again...

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

When starting Outlook the first time and when using control-Enter the first time Outlook asks you if you want to assign control enter as a hothey to send messages in the future. If you answer NO then it wont send the message.

This behavior can be cahnged from the Outlook Options under Mail, item: CTRL + ENTER sends a message 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2018 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

It would have been better stated to say that in Windows programs, there is so often more than one way to do the same thing that I'm not too surprised that control enter works as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

It is very likely that alt s will work in all those Microsoft programs, except Thunderbird, which isn't a Microsoft program but it would be nice if they made the command available. .  I have used Outlook Express and both versions of Windows Live Mail and alt s works in all of them.  Control enter may work in all of them as well.  While its preference, I prefer the pneumonic alt s command and you can keep your left hand on the home keys and move your right hand less away from them.. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:28 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi

In all 4 of the email packages I have used Outlook, Gmail, Windows Mail and Thunderbird, ctrl+enter has been the shortcut key combination to send a message.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 07:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
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�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

It would have been better stated to say that in Windows programs, there is so often more than one way to do the same thing that I'm not too surprised that control enter works as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

It is very likely that alt s will work in all those Microsoft programs, except Thunderbird, which isn't a Microsoft program but it would be nice if they made the command available. .  I have used Outlook Express and both versions of Windows Live Mail and alt s works in all of them.  Control enter may work in all of them as well.  While its preference, I prefer the pneumonic alt s command and you can keep your left hand on the home keys and move your right hand less away from them.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi

In all 4 of the email packages I have used Outlook, Gmail, Windows Mail and Thunderbird, ctrl+enter has been the shortcut key combination to send a message.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 07:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

 


Cheers,
Marcio


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Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
�- momentarily
�- suspenders
�- chips
�- pants
�- jelly
�- pavement
�- vest
�- pint (and gallon)
�- pissed


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Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

It is very likely that alt s will work in all those Microsoft programs, except Thunderbird, which isn't a Microsoft program but it would be nice if they made the command available. .  I have used Outlook Express and both versions of Windows Live Mail and alt s works in all of them.  Control enter may work in all of them as well.  While its preference, I prefer the pneumonic alt s command and you can keep your left hand on the home keys and move your right hand less away from them.. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi

In all 4 of the email packages I have used Outlook, Gmail, Windows Mail and Thunderbird, ctrl+enter has been the shortcut key combination to send a message.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 07:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

 


Cheers,
Marcio


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Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

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Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

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To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

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Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

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Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

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Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

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Gene

----- Original Message -----

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From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

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Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

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Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith and creed

Gene
 

If you are going to answer every Christmas message individually, either do so off list, replying privately, or save the messages until you have a number, four or five, and reply in one message, naming each person and saying what you want to say.  or you could simply say something like, to all or to all who wrote with seasons greetings or something indicating you are addressing those who wrote.  It is list clutter to answer every Christmas message individually, just as it is list clutter to answer every person individually who makes a suggestion with identical information in each individual message.  What would the list be like if ten or fifteen people did that?
 
Gene, moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith and creed

Hi, Arleen,

I had a wonderful Christmas with my family. We had pprime rib and it was really good.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faith and creed

Hey list! Just want to wish everybody a merry Christmas! Hope you all have a good one@!

On 12/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> In other words, let us hope we can all learn to live together without
> killing one another  in the coming years, please!
>
> Together
>
> Together,
> We Hate and lie,
> Together,
> we suffer and cry.
> Together,
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> Why can't we learn to live,
> together.
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> Brian
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> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 12:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Merry Christmas
>
>
> Happy Christmas.
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:29 PM
> To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda-translations@groups.io;
> nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Merry Christmas
>
> Hi everione, happy merry Christmas 2018
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Re: outlook is working again...

Gene
 

It would have been nice.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Let's see if alt S works here. Nope, it just takes me to the subject. too bad it wasn't alt s, though; it would make more sense.

Annette

On 12/26/2018 11:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.  I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.  If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Hi, Gene,

 

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Since it’s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.  At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures. You will also likely find other standard e-mail programs to be similar. 

 

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.  To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

 

To start a new message is control n.  Those are just a few examples.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hello.

I’m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it’s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I’m very familiar with it. I’ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?  I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with  the processor on this machine.

--
A few words to be cautious of between American and English:
 - momentarily
 - suspenders
 - chips
 - pants
 - jelly
 - pavement
 - vest
 - pint (and gallon)
 - pissed


                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC
me.








Re: Tutorial/overview: object navigation

Charles Adkins
 

sorry for such a dumb question, but where can I find this tutorial? Thank you

On Dec 26, 2018, at 1:07 PM, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for this tutorial. The light bulb has come on! The various
analogies were quite helpful.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 12/25/18, Hope Williamson <ladyhope@gmx.com> wrote:
This was pretty epic! I'm starting to get object navigation after using NVDA
since 2013 lol.





Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings choices too.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox


Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???


What links are unlabelled ?
All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda 18.4

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

Or what do you want nvda to do ?



From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.