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Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

 

John,

          It may not be Microsoft.  What make/model is your laptop and, more specifically, what Bluetooth or WiFi/Bluetooth combo card does it have?

          Intel has just been releasing "modern drivers" for that hardware and your machine may need to be updated to it.  There are just way too many variables and unknowns to have a definitive answer, or even a decent guess.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: phonetic spelling

 

Hi,

Hmmm, I see what’s happening. If I’m reading your post correctly, it looks like there is a bigger issue than letting NVDA pronounce characters phonetically. But to cut to the chase (as they say), the actual command to get NVDA to say the character phonetically is Numpad 2 (laptop: NVDA+period) twice.

I think the reason why Giles might be mentioning object navigation and its “relationship” to character spelling and phonetic pronunciation might be confusing object navigation for review cursor thanks to our recent discussion. Am I correct? If yes, it looks like I’ll write up another tutorial (or two) on what exactly review cursor is, review modes, and possible confusion (taking Gene’s advice into account).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] phonetic spelling

 

Hi all,

I thought there was a way to use object navigation to read letters using the NATO phonetic alphabet (alpha, bravo, juliet etc) but I can't figure out if I'm making that up! The only thing in the NVDA guide about phonetic spellings is in regard to Chinese characters.

I know that using Num Pad 5 twice will spell out the word w-o-r-d and three times coppies the word to the clipboard, but is there any way to get the phonetic identification?

The two SAPI5 voices I like are Zira and Hazel ... Zira is my default but I was struggling to tell whether a letter in somebody's name was a v or a b ... I hoped to figure out how to get NVDA to say Victor or Bravo, but without success. I solved the problem by switching to the Hazel voice which has a clearer pronunciation difference between v and b, but am just curious if there is a way to get the phonetic spelling if needed.

Thanks,

Giles


Re: phonetic spelling

Tyler Spivey
 

You clearly didn't try pressing read word three times. Try that and see
what happens. You might also want to try read character twice. Both of
these should do what you want. Read line three times also does it.

On 12/27/2018 7:04 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

I thought there was a way to use object navigation to read letters using
the NATO phonetic alphabet (alpha, bravo, juliet etc) but I can't figure
out if I'm making that up! The only thing in the NVDA guide about
phonetic spellings is in regard to Chinese characters.

I know that using Num Pad 5 twice will spell out the word w-o-r-d and
three times coppies the word to the clipboard, but is there any way to
get the phonetic identification?

The two SAPI5 voices I like are Zira and Hazel ... Zira is my default
but I was struggling to tell whether a letter in somebody's name was a v
or a b ... I hoped to figure out how to get NVDA to say Victor or Bravo,
but without success. I solved the problem by switching to the Hazel
voice which has a clearer pronunciation difference between v and b, but
am just curious if there is a way to get the phonetic spelling if needed.

Thanks,

Giles


phonetic spelling

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I thought there was a way to use object navigation to read letters using the NATO phonetic alphabet (alpha, bravo, juliet etc) but I can't figure out if I'm making that up! The only thing in the NVDA guide about phonetic spellings is in regard to Chinese characters.

I know that using Num Pad 5 twice will spell out the word w-o-r-d and three times coppies the word to the clipboard, but is there any way to get the phonetic identification?

The two SAPI5 voices I like are Zira and Hazel ... Zira is my default but I was struggling to tell whether a letter in somebody's name was a v or a b ... I hoped to figure out how to get NVDA to say Victor or Bravo, but without success. I solved the problem by switching to the Hazel voice which has a clearer pronunciation difference between v and b, but am just curious if there is a way to get the phonetic spelling if needed.

Thanks,

Giles


Microsoft messes up again with an update.

John J. Boyer
 

My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

I should say its on the web page of the petition you want to sign.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

                                I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

 

Hi,

Yes I have done it, and the site to get it is:

https://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

 

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe Joseph did make an audio tutorial or a written one on his site which he’d have to provide the URL.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:28:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Any available tutorial on Golden Cursor

 

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is any tutorial demonstrating the use and
power of the add-on Golden Cursor? This Add-on might be useful in
instance where even Object Navigation cannot help to read the screen.  A
google search turn up nothing for me. Please advise, I am all-ears. Thanks.





Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

The button is on the web page of the petition you want to send. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

                                I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Chris
 

Ahh, I thought you meant the site itself

Try going to the website rather than using email links

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

                                I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

                                I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

We don't know if the problem occurs in other places than the elements list.  However, It is unlikely that this problem is confined to the elements list.  it probably affects the links wherever you see them.
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Don’t use the elements list then its that simple

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:

Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???

Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

But no one has said that they tested any of these sites using older versions of NVDA where the links were read.  I have older versions here.  If someone will send specific pages where such problems occur, they can be checked by me and/or others. 
At this point, we don't know if the problem is the sites, which may or may not have changed, or NVDA, which may or may not have changed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hey all,


I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was
that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or
webmasters used to build the sites.


There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear
"Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where
they take you.


It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation
in Chrome.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine
> portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before
> bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings
> choices too.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io"
> <chrismedley@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version
> of NVDA and Firefox
>
>
> Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???
>
>
> What links are unlabelled ?
> All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda
> 18.4
>
> What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?
>
> Or what do you want nvda to do ?
>
>
>
> From: Governor staten
> Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of
> NVDA and Firefox
>
> Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve
> seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory,
> or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm
> Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest
> version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have
> to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas
> as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.
>
> An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My
> roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same
> version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am,
> particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to
> all in advance for any assistance that can be given.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Chris
 

Don’t use the elements list then its that simple

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:

Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???

Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Chris
 

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine

 

 

 

From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

Hey all,


I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or webmasters used to build the sites.


There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear "Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where they take you.


It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation in Chrome.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings choices too.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox


Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???


What links are unlabelled ?
All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda 18.4

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

Or what do you want nvda to do ?



From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.









Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 04:04 AM, Chris wrote:
Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???
Uh, they show up in the elements list of links as "unlabeled."  It's that simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Best Wordprocesor

Gene
 

Please do not use vulgarity on the list.  The list has over 1000 members and some of them are likely to find such language offensive. 
 
Gene, moderator

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

You are shit out of luck if you want to do footnotes in a program other than MS Word. The below, though, may be some pages that may help. This will be in markdown, so switch off your text only view.


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

Also, I see the control to sign the petition below where you enter your information as a button.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

Please send the address of a specific page where you see such a link.  I looked at one petition and saw none.  I looked at the entire home page and saw none.  Also, what browser are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Best Wordprocesor

 

You are shit out of luck if you want to do footnotes in a program other than MS Word. The below, though, may be some pages that may help. This will be in markdown, so switch off your text only view.