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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

That would indicate that it is a change made in Firefox that causes NVDA not to see the text on certain links.  Whether that is something Firefox needs to correct or something NVDA can change to accommodate, the problem appears to be caused by a change in Firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: mk360
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Has I've seen, the problem is present in all versions of NVDA that I tested from Firefox 58 to latest, or in other words, On Firefox quantum with NVDA.
For example, go to http://civil.pjud.cl a spanish site to consult about judicial causes that is not too accessible, but until Firefox 57 the links to consult and delete was read, from Firefox 58 to latest, the 2 links are read only as "Link".

Regards,
mk.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are talking about something like going to a site that has something like a video to watch on the site and there are links that just say question mark link, I've seen them.  I followed some of them and they are mostly links for sharing whatever it is to places like Facebook or Social Media.  You may be talking about the same thing.  But I don't think that is a problem of NVdA's and I don't know if NVDA can do anything about it.  Whether it might be made to read underlying code in such linkks, I don't know.  I also don't know if that were done, if it would read code elsewhere that wouldn't be desirable.  If that is what you are talking about, further discussion will have to be done by others because it is beyond my technical knowledge. 
 
I generally ignore such links because it appears that they are generally what I said they are and I have no interest in them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox
(several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example,
in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share
stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the
list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that,
I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

You said this is an NVDA issue.  have you tried it with other screen-readers?  Version 57 of Firefox isn't too far behind the release of Quantum.  They may have been making some changes leading up to it that causes this problem.  Or they may have changed something unrelated.  Whatever the case, we don't know, based on your description, who is responsible or if NVDA can compensate for it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

mk360
 

Has I've seen, the problem is present in all versions of NVDA that I tested from Firefox 58 to latest, or in other words, On Firefox quantum with NVDA.
For example, go to http://civil.pjud.cl a spanish site to consult about judicial causes that is not too accessible, but until Firefox 57 the links to consult and delete was read, from Firefox 58 to latest, the 2 links are read only as "Link".

Regards,
mk.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are talking about something like going to a site that has something like a video to watch on the site and there are links that just say question mark link, I've seen them.  I followed some of them and they are mostly links for sharing whatever it is to places like Facebook or Social Media.  You may be talking about the same thing.  But I don't think that is a problem of NVdA's and I don't know if NVDA can do anything about it.  Whether it might be made to read underlying code in such linkks, I don't know.  I also don't know if that were done, if it would read code elsewhere that wouldn't be desirable.  If that is what you are talking about, further discussion will have to be done by others because it is beyond my technical knowledge. 
 
I generally ignore such links because it appears that they are generally what I said they are and I have no interest in them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox
(several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example,
in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share
stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the
list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that,
I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

Felix G.
 

Hi,
so you're certain it's an NVDA issue rather than a Facebook or browser one?
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 20:43 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@...>:


hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which
is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in
many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for
instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university
subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the
browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix




Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

If you are talking about something like going to a site that has something like a video to watch on the site and there are links that just say question mark link, I've seen them.  I followed some of them and they are mostly links for sharing whatever it is to places like Facebook or Social Media.  You may be talking about the same thing.  But I don't think that is a problem of NVdA's and I don't know if NVDA can do anything about it.  Whether it might be made to read underlying code in such linkks, I don't know.  I also don't know if that were done, if it would read code elsewhere that wouldn't be desirable.  If that is what you are talking about, further discussion will have to be done by others because it is beyond my technical knowledge. 
 
I generally ignore such links because it appears that they are generally what I said they are and I have no interest in them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox
(several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example,
in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share
stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the
list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that,
I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries, which is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues, for instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix


Sluggish user experience on Facebook

Felix G.
 

Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook itself?
All the best,
Felix


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.




Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge, Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the site.


Re: NVDA going silent.

MAX <max@...>
 

I changed the setting to no braille. We'll see if that changes anything.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Hi, I have similar problem with NVDA from the earlier to the latest version. I go to NVDA >Preference > Setting> Bbraille> Braille display, set to No braille, I never encounter the problem of NVDA crashing on me any more. Hope this help. Please try it out and report back.

On 27/12/2018 12:17 AM, MAX wrote:
It's getting even weirder because the nvda key is having no effect. I'm going to close and restart NVDA now. Now I can turn typed characters off and on. I couldn't do that before restarting. When I pressed nvda key 2 all I would get was 2. After restarting it seems well again. Since no one came up with another solution I guess restarting is the only one.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
MAX
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode. I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode. It's in it right now. I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback. Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters
its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as
you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
keep NVDA from speaking. It does that all the time to me although I
don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
programs in windows
10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
NVDA will go silent. No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
laryngitis. So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
control alt N to restart it. Is there a quicker way to start it
talking again?


73 (Regards).

Max. K 4 O DS.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Email: max@...

Vacuum Tube Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
Woodworking site:
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accessible drive partitioning software

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,

Been wrestling with this one for a while,

Does anyone know of any accessible drive partitioning software that is non destructive?

Thanks

Rich

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

But its better to use the intended command for the intended purpose.  Yes, u works on new sites the way k does.  but how am I going to remember all sites I've visited over a long time?  And what if someone sends me a link in a message to an article and I then look around on the site and, if it’s a site I almost never use, I don't remember? 
 
In addition to or even aside from such considerations, it's just better in general to use intended commands for their intended purpose and not start using various commands for purposes they weren't intended for.  If you do that in enough programs, you'll be inconsistently using commands and its just a bad practice in logic and organization, and you may use them in situations where they won't work as expected.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
U is intended for sites you have visited before and you only want to see links you haven't gone to before. 
U is intended to visit only links that one has previously not visited - unvisited links, regardless of whether you've visited a site before or not.  It's perfectly appropriate to use when one knows one is visiting a site for the first time and, in that case, is directly analogous with K.  It is only if one is visiting a site one has been to before, and in addition followed links there, where there is any distinction between visited and unvisited links.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
U is intended for sites you have visited before and you only want to see links you haven't gone to before. 
U is intended to visit only links that one has previously not visited - unvisited links, regardless of whether you've visited a site before or not.  It's perfectly appropriate to use when one knows one is visiting a site for the first time and, in that case, is directly analogous with K.  It is only if one is visiting a site one has been to before, and in addition followed links there, where there is any distinction between visited and unvisited links.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

If you move by k or tab through the links, the second link is read.  If you down arrow through the links or use the links list, you just hear link spoken.  This is using the default settings for object presentation and document presentation.  I don't know if there is a setting you can change that makes this consistent.  
 
Whatever the case, this is probably what users generally will encounter.  I've seen this on some other links where I get more information by tabbing or using k. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 09:29 AM, Gene wrote:
We don't know if the problem occurs in other places than the elements list.  However, It is unlikely that this problem is confined to the elements list.  it probably affects the links wherever you see them.
You are probably correct.  One site, simplecast.com, has been identified and it does occur there.  It's the second link, and only one that comes up "unlabeled" in the links list, on the page, so it's easy to get to.

In the case of this page if one is traversing via the U keyboard shortcut what gets announced when you land on the link is the title from the HTML, "Simplecast on Twitter."

The larger the sample size of pages where this is occurring the better, but that's what I was able to get from about 5 minutes total time testing on that page with the latest version of NVDA with a number of add-ons installed.

If someone gets something different with a pristine portable version of NVDA, an older version of NVDA, or an installed current NVDA with no add-ons that would certainly give more data points useful to the developers, but those tests aren't something I'll be doing.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

Why use the u navigationk key?  That is to move by unvisited links.  it has a very specific use and shouldn't be used for general link navigation.  K or tab should be used. 
 
U is intended for sites you have visited before and you only want to see links you haven't gone to before. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 09:29 AM, Gene wrote:
We don't know if the problem occurs in other places than the elements list.  However, It is unlikely that this problem is confined to the elements list.  it probably affects the links wherever you see them.
You are probably correct.  One site, simplecast.com, has been identified and it does occur there.  It's the second link, and only one that comes up "unlabeled" in the links list, on the page, so it's easy to get to.

In the case of this page if one is traversing via the U keyboard shortcut what gets announced when you land on the link is the title from the HTML, "Simplecast on Twitter."

The larger the sample size of pages where this is occurring the better, but that's what I was able to get from about 5 minutes total time testing on that page with the latest version of NVDA with a number of add-ons installed.

If someone gets something different with a pristine portable version of NVDA, an older version of NVDA, or an installed current NVDA with no add-ons that would certainly give more data points useful to the developers, but those tests aren't something I'll be doing.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

That may be, but we can't see if your problem is a general one or just yours without more information.
 
We need addresses to web pages where this happens and we need to know certain things. 
 
What browser are you using?  Have you seen the problem in different browsers?  You may have stated the version of Windows you are using but if you did I don't remember.  Have you seen the problem on more than one computer?  Those are the questions that come to mind now.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Hello Gene,


In my case, the issue has been present for quite some time. At least a
couple of years on the first sites where I noticed it, so I don't
suppose it's a question of newer versions of NVDA.

In 2016 they were like this, and so they are today, only there are more
instances of that.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 15:27, Gene ha scritto:
> But no one has said that they tested any of these sites using older
> versions of NVDA where the links were read.  I have older versions
> here.  If someone will send specific pages where such problems occur,
> they can be checked by me and/or others.
> At this point, we don't know if the problem is the sites, which may or
> may not have changed, or NVDA, which may or may not have changed.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:07 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest
> version of NVDA and Firefox
>
> Hey all,
>
>
> I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was
> that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or
> webmasters used to build the sites.
>
>
> There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear
> "Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where
> they take you.
>
>
> It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation
> in Chrome.
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> > Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine
> > portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before
> > bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings
> > choices too.
> > Brian
> >
> > bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
> > Sent via blueyonder.
> > Please address personal E-mail to:-
> > briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
> 'Brian Gaff'
> > in the display name field.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io"
> > <chrismedley@...
> <mailto:chrismedley@...>>
> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version
> > of NVDA and Firefox
> >
> >
> > Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???
> >
> >
> > What links are unlabelled ?
> > All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda
> > 18.4
> >
> > What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?
> >
> > Or what do you want nvda to do ?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Governor staten
> > Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of
> > NVDA and Firefox
> >
> > Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve
> > seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory,
> > or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm
> > Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest
> > version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have
> > to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas
> > as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.
> >
> > An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My
> > roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same
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> > all in advance for any assistance that can be given.
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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 09:29 AM, Gene wrote:
We don't know if the problem occurs in other places than the elements list.  However, It is unlikely that this problem is confined to the elements list.  it probably affects the links wherever you see them.
You are probably correct.  One site, simplecast.com, has been identified and it does occur there.  It's the second link, and only one that comes up "unlabeled" in the links list, on the page, so it's easy to get to.

In the case of this page if one is traversing via the U keyboard shortcut what gets announced when you land on the link is the title from the HTML, "Simplecast on Twitter."

The larger the sample size of pages where this is occurring the better, but that's what I was able to get from about 5 minutes total time testing on that page with the latest version of NVDA with a number of add-ons installed.

If someone gets something different with a pristine portable version of NVDA, an older version of NVDA, or an installed current NVDA with no add-ons that would certainly give more data points useful to the developers, but those tests aren't something I'll be doing.
 
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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard
 

Hello Gene,


In my case, the issue has been present for quite some time. At least a couple of years on the first sites where I noticed it, so I don't suppose it's a question of newer versions of NVDA.

In 2016 they were like this, and so they are today, only there are more instances of that.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 15:27, Gene ha scritto:
But no one has said that they tested any of these sites using older versions of NVDA where the links were read.  I have older versions here.  If someone will send specific pages where such problems occur, they can be checked by me and/or others.
At this point, we don't know if the problem is the sites, which may or may not have changed, or NVDA, which may or may not have changed.
Gene
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Hey all,


I do find such links more and more often too, but my understanding was
that this issue was due to the type of template the site designers or
webmasters used to build the sites.


There are lots of sites (a growing number, I'd say), where you hear
"Link", "Link", "Link", but you have to click on them to discover where
they take you.


It definitely isn't a Firefox issue, as I find the very same situation
in Chrome.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 10:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Whenever funny things occur its often a good thing to have a pristine
portable copy of nvda with no add ons in it to check against before
bringing up an issue that might be a clash of add ons or settings
choices too.
Brian

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Maybe you should clarify by what you mean by unlabelled links???


What links are unlabelled ?
All those sites you mentioned appear to be fine here with latest nvda
18.4

What is nvda not doing for you what its doing for others?

Or what do you want nvda to do ?



From: Governor staten
Sent: 27 December 2018 03:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of
NVDA and Firefox

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve
seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory,
or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm
Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest
version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have
to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas
as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My
roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same
version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am,
particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to
all in advance for any assistance that can be given.











Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

 

John,

          It may not be Microsoft.  What make/model is your laptop and, more specifically, what Bluetooth or WiFi/Bluetooth combo card does it have?

          Intel has just been releasing "modern drivers" for that hardware and your machine may need to be updated to it.  There are just way too many variables and unknowns to have a definitive answer, or even a decent guess.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back