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Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

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Roll back as it normally creates a restore point and one can do this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.


My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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Re: Graphics that contain links

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Are you saying this is an html email then?
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From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links


I can’t find any button. I am using Windows mail

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 December 2018 14:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

Look for the sign button rather than a graphic, it works fine



From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 27 December 2018 12:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Graphics that contain links

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Do they have a contact email. It seems like they may have made a simple error here and need to be alerted to it.
Its probably been created by a piece of software I suspect.

I've come across this sort of thing. Sometimes it will click with nvda keypad enter but not always.
I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable might be able to explain but email today is coming in in fits and starts and out of time order, so apologies if somebody else has replied with more advice the same as this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links


There is a petition site here in the UK called 38 degrees. Until a couple of months ago, there was no problem clicking on links to sign petitions. They have changed the link to a graphic. What it says is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I am unable to find a way to activate these links using NVDA which is my only screen reader..

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Problem reading HTML file using Internet explorer

 

Hi all
I sometimes read matireal of technology, such as software user guide in html format, then practice on the software along with the guide. When do this with NVDA, if I switch focus to other program to do something, then switch back to the browser, focus usually not position at the place where I left it so I must find that position to continue reading.
Using Windows 10, NVDA 2018.4, Internet Explorer version 11. Anyone has same problem, and know how to solve? Please help me. I also have Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome on my laptop so I could switch to those browser if needed.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Best Wordprocesor

 

How do I enable experimental UIA support?

Op 28-12-2018 om 06:53 schreef David Goldfield:

Hi.

First, I admit that my computer is most definitely not the fastest machine around. In my case, there is definite sluggishness when using NVDA with Microsoft Word 365. This is not only true with startup, which isn't all that bad, but it particularly manifests itself when moving the cursor to edit or review text. In my case, there is a noticeable delay which has pretty much caused me to avoid using NVDA with Word on this machine until version 2018.4 introduced experimental UIA support. Minimizing the window and putting Word into draft mode helps to speed things up somewhat. Enabling the experimental UIA support has made quite a difference for me with 2018.4 and I can now use Word with a reasonable response time when navigating text with arrow keys. Someone on another list also reported the same issue. I pretty much did much of my word processing with LibreOffice for certain tasks, which behaves normally. On faster machines which I use at work, however, navigating in Word is responsive and navigation behaves as expected.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 12/26/2018 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

           Thank you for your reply to my query.  I am surprised you're having issues with sluggishness with Word 2016 (other than startup being slow).  I would try uninstalling and reinstalling before jumping ship, particularly since Word really is the de facto standard.

           I don't think you're going to find any other major word processor that's any less cluttered.  It's a consequence of feature bloat, plain and simple.  

           Word is, by far, the best supported word processor when it comes to screen readers.

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Re: Best Wordprocesor

David Goldfield
 

Hi.

First, I admit that my computer is most definitely not the fastest machine around. In my case, there is definite sluggishness when using NVDA with Microsoft Word 365. This is not only true with startup, which isn't all that bad, but it particularly manifests itself when moving the cursor to edit or review text. In my case, there is a noticeable delay which has pretty much caused me to avoid using NVDA with Word on this machine until version 2018.4 introduced experimental UIA support. Minimizing the window and putting Word into draft mode helps to speed things up somewhat. Enabling the experimental UIA support has made quite a difference for me with 2018.4 and I can now use Word with a reasonable response time when navigating text with arrow keys. Someone on another list also reported the same issue. I pretty much did much of my word processing with LibreOffice for certain tasks, which behaves normally. On faster machines which I use at work, however, navigating in Word is responsive and navigation behaves as expected.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/26/2018 6:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

           Thank you for your reply to my query.  I am surprised you're having issues with sluggishness with Word 2016 (other than startup being slow).  I would try uninstalling and reinstalling before jumping ship, particularly since Word really is the de facto standard.

           I don't think you're going to find any other major word processor that's any less cluttered.  It's a consequence of feature bloat, plain and simple.  

           Word is, by far, the best supported word processor when it comes to screen readers.

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Re: NVDA going silent.

David Goldfield
 

In Chrome, there is a setting to block pop-ups which should be on by default. It might be helpful to access your Chrome settings just to ensure that the setting is set to blocking popups.


1. When in Chrome, press alt-F for the Chrome menu.

2. Press S for Settings.

3. Activate the Advanced button.

4. Activate the Content Settings button.

5. Look for the Popup button or you could press insert-ctrl-F to bring up the NVDA find dialog and type the word "pop" without the quotes. Make sure that it is set to "blocked."

If popups still occur could you tell us a little more about the type of pages which are appearing? Does this behavior happen when you're viewing specific sites?

If the problem occurs more often than not I do think that it would be very good to perform a scan of your system to see if any malware has been detected. Which antivirus or antimalware programs do you use? For a second opinion I'd recommend installing the free version of MalwareBytes to see if it detects anything.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/27/2018 9:11 PM, Gene wrote:
I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before.  I think its adware.  I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
 
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox.  If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
> I've Never Lost the Wonder.
>
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Re: NVDA going silent.

Gene
 

I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before.  I think its adware.  I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
 
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox.  If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
> I've Never Lost the Wonder.
>
> Email: max@...
>
> Vacuum Tube  Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
> Transistor site: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/funwithtransistors/
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Re: NVDA going silent.

MAX <max@...>
 

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
>
> 73 (Regards).
>
> Max.  K 4 O DS.
>
> I've Never Lost the Wonder.
>
> Email: max@...
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Re: Best Wordprocesor

Jason White
 

If I need a word processor, I generally use Microsoft Word, since I usually have to deal with change tracking and comments. These aren't accessible in LibreOffice yet, unless there has been an update in that area recently.

However, when I'm writing a paper or a series of slides for a presentation, I use a text editor and prepare te documents either in Markdown for conversion with Pandoc, or in LaTeX. I occasionally edit HTML as well. For anything complex (a paper, for example), LaTeX is my first choice. I use Git to maintain it under revision control, and Emacs as my text editor. All of this works under Linux or Windows. On the Mac, TextMate seems to be the most accessible text editor at the moment. Notepad++ is another option with Windows and NVDA, though it isn't my first preference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

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Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

 

Hi,
I'm thinking this has to do with the driver rather than Windows Update
breaking things. However, the crystal ball shows a future where bugs related
to Vispero (formerly VFO, formerly Freedom Scientific) drivers would be gone
for the most part.
Cheers,
joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.

Every time since the beginning of Jaws 18, my focus 40 has stopped working
with every update. I don't think it's bluetooth pairing, although it seems
like it. There was only one Jaws update that this didn't happen. It
happend with this one, though. I went through a complicated thing before by

deleting the setting in my explore my settings folder. That worked for the

other updates. This time I messed up when it asked me if I wanted to save
the settings in Jaws. I couldn't thin of what to do, so I turned on NVDA
after I uninstalled Jaws 2019. When I started the re-install of 2019, and
it asked me about sharing the user settings I said no instead of yes. It
asked for doing the wizard again, of course, when I restarted Jaws and I
went through the wizard like I was supposed to do. My focus 40 works fine,
now. Maybe you could try that. I think it's much simpler than the stuff I
did with the other updates. I used NVDA to start it this time, but I used
narrator once before way last year when I had to uninstall Jaws and re-do it
for something. Even though I fixed the wizard, I had to re-add the Brl
display again. Like I said, it works fine now.

I hop this helps. Didn't mean to write a novel but I wanted to explain
everything so it could be understood because I went through a lot of
frustration with it. You have to go in the advanced in the Brl settings in
Jaws because the firmness is set to something else and the placement thing
is set to the default. I like it on none because I just want to read my
text and not have signs of things on the left or right. That's all I had to
do afterwords and it works good again. It's a pain in the neck to do it
after every Jaws update and I wish somebody knew the reason but, Oh well.

God bless.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.


My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things
were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the
update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

I had forgotten that 57 was the first version of Quantum.  I started experimenting with it at version 60. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

hi Gene,

57 is indeed the release at which firefox switched to quantum. This should be investigated by NVAccess and firefox.

On 12/27/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
You said this is an NVDA issue.  have you tried it with other screen-readers?  Version 57 of Firefox isn't too far behind the release of Quantum.  They may have been making some changes leading up to it that causes this problem.  Or they may have changed something unrelated.  Whatever the case, we don't know, based on your description, who is responsible or if NVDA can compensate for it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

Hi all,

The people keeping an eye on this isn’t reachable at the moment – either they’re in vacation (in case of one person) or not part of this forum at all (two people). For people who aren’t part of this forum, I advise contacting them via Twitter or other means once Mozilla people return from holiday break (don’t have their Mozilla email addresses at the moment). For one person who’s taking a vacation, I’m sure he’ll respond to you all once he returns in January.

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

hi Gene,

57 is indeed the release at which firefox switched to quantum. This should be investigated by NVAccess and firefox.

On 12/27/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:

You said this is an NVDA issue.  have you tried it with other screen-readers?  Version 57 of Firefox isn't too far behind the release of Quantum.  They may have been making some changes leading up to it that causes this problem.  Or they may have changed something unrelated.  Whatever the case, we don't know, based on your description, who is responsible or if NVDA can compensate for it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

 

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: Microsoft messes up again with an update.

Diane
 

Every time since the beginning of Jaws 18, my focus 40 has stopped working with every update. I don't think it's bluetooth pairing, although it seems like it. There was only one Jaws update that this didn't happen. It happend with this one, though. I went through a complicated thing before by deleting the setting in my explore my settings folder. That worked for the other updates. This time I messed up when it asked me if I wanted to save the settings in Jaws. I couldn't thin of what to do, so I turned on NVDA after I uninstalled Jaws 2019. When I started the re-install of 2019, and it asked me about sharing the user settings I said no instead of yes. It asked for doing the wizard again, of course, when I restarted Jaws and I went through the wizard like I was supposed to do. My focus 40 works fine, now. Maybe you could try that. I think it's much simpler than the stuff I did with the other updates. I used NVDA to start it this time, but I used narrator once before way last year when I had to uninstall Jaws and re-do it for something. Even though I fixed the wizard, I had to re-add the Brl display again. Like I said, it works fine now.

I hop this helps. Didn't mean to write a novel but I wanted to explain everything so it could be understood because I went through a lot of frustration with it. You have to go in the advanced in the Brl settings in Jaws because the firmness is set to something else and the placement thing is set to the default. I like it on none because I just want to read my text and not have signs of things on the left or right. That's all I had to do afterwords and it works good again. It's a pain in the neck to do it after every Jaws update and I wish somebody knew the reason but, Oh well.

God bless.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft messes up again with an update.


My laptop will no longer send Braille to my Focus 40 via Bluetooth. Things were working fine when the machine started
to misbehave. After a cold boot it wouldn't give me anything. I think the update destroyed the pairing between the
computer and the Focus 40. Microsoft did the same thing a few weeks ago.

John

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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

Thank you for your compliments.  I'm always pleased when a disagreement works out well.
 
I don't mind if people write about matters on list now, but if the discussion goes on and involves others so it develops into a somewhat prominent thread, I would take it to the owner's list but your exchange on list didn't bother me. 
 
I almost never get comments about my moderation, perhaps in part because the list almost never needs moderation. 
Perhaps this exchange will encourage others to comment when they have an objection or a compliment.  But if people do comment more frequently, I'll start asking that comments be sent off list if they become more common.  But for now, comments on list may encourage others to do so.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Great! This is a very well-worded and thorough post.

Thanks for your expanded explanation. I appreciate how seriously you
take matters, Gene. I mean it.


It's not a matter of what you say most of the time. I understand that
you need to be brief, so things may come through harsher than you mean.


Sorry for pointing it out publicly. I should have written to you off-list.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 23:46, Gene ha scritto:
> Thank you for discussing the matter in a civil and civilized manner
> and for the compliments.
> If you send me an example of how you think the message would be better
> written, I'll consider it.  I don't know if this matters in
> considering the question, but I was writing to you but also to anyone
> following the thread.  Perhaps I'll send the message as a moderator
> comment so that more people will see it. but I wanted to emphasize
> it.  It isn't just a matter of inconvenience, but these days,
> criminals purchase domains with slight spelling errors that someone
> might make when typing popular addresses.  If someone makes such an
> error, they may be taken to a malicious site that may try to infect
> the machine or try to convince the person to give personal information
> on the site, maybe by presenting a login page that looks like the real
> one.  But I consider this question of some importance.
> Gene
> ----- original Messsage -----
> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:25 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest
> version of NVDA and Firefox
>
> Gene,
>
>
> I've already corrected my message.
>
>
> You may not be dictatorial (which I don't think you are), but sometimes
> you do come through as a very intolerant and rough person to say the
> least.
>
>
> Luckily, I've been around this group long enough to appreciate your
> value as a person always ready to share knowledge and help.
>
>
> We might need to check urls character by character, but I think you
> should check the tone of your messages sometimes, before you send them
> out...
>
>
> With great respect and appreciation.
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 27/12/2018 21:42, Gene ha scritto:
> > Will people please check addresses character by character before
> > sending a message if they write or dictate them and not paste them
> > from the address bar.  I see errors in addresses far to often on the
> > lists I follow when people type them.  This link is not correct.  A
> > dash was used before the com.  The address is:
> > www.perfect-english-grammar.com
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com>
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com>
> > I understand that we live in an era where people write however they
> > wish.  But when writing something where precision matters, a path
> > statement, a web site address, a mathematical formula, the time of an
> > event, it is necessary to check what is written.
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:03 PM
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest
> > version of NVDA and Firefox
> >
> > I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the
> >
> >
> > www.perfect-english-grammar-com
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
> >
> >
> > website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in
> > the paid section of her site.
> >
> >
> > Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to
> > accessibility, which makes it worth following.
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Ollie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
> > > Hello Gne,
> > >
> > >
> > > Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge,
> > > Firefox (several versions), Different computers.
> > >
> > > Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.
> > >
> > >
> > > I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and
> password.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For
> > > example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you
> > > can share stuff on.
> > >
> > >
> > > On another occasion, in
> > >
> > >
> > > www.perfect-english-grammar-com
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>
> > >
> > >
> > > under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within
> > > the list of courses.
> > >
> > >
> > > If I come across some site that has free access to something like
> > > that, I'll post it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
> > > there was nothing to be read.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > >
> > > Ollie
> > >
> > > ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the
> > > site.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

enes sarıbaş
 

hi Gene,

57 is indeed the release at which firefox switched to quantum. This should be investigated by NVAccess and firefox.

On 12/27/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
You said this is an NVDA issue.  have you tried it with other screen-readers?  Version 57 of Firefox isn't too far behind the release of Quantum.  They may have been making some changes leading up to it that causes this problem.  Or they may have changed something unrelated.  Whatever the case, we don't know, based on your description, who is responsible or if NVDA can compensate for it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

hi,

this is also an NVDA issue. This happened since firefox 57. An example:

go to

http://lib.metu.edu.tr

and go to the trial databases heading, which has a few links. Normally, with firefox 56, nvda reads the names of the databases on the links. However, above 57, they are just read as "link".

On 12/27/2018 3:48 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello list. My subject line aptly describes the issue. Recently, I’ve seen more sites with unlabeled links than I’ve seen in recent memory, or ever before. I’ve seen them on paypal.com, yetcast.simplecast.fm Simplecast.com, and other places. Why is this? I’m using latest version of NVDA with latest version of Firefox, version 64. Will have to do more testing to see if this occurs in Edge and Chrome. Any ideas as to how to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

 

An extra point of information, I am running the latest alpha. My roommate is running the latest stable version, 2018.4, along with same version of Firefox. He is seeing some of the same things I am, particularly on Simplecast.com and yetcast.simplecast.fm. Thanks to all in advance for any assistance that can be given.


Re: outlook is working again...

molly the blind tech lover
 

well my tablet/outlook is fine now. i'm actually reinstalling windows on my other machine right now.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:09:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...
 

I meant alt f or--not ro. Sorry about that.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Hi, Molly,

 

You can use either alt S ro control enter to send a message in outlook.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Wait… I’m confused. I thought the way to send emails in outlook was alt s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

 

Just seeing if CTRL/ALT+S does anything as expected. Let's try it.
No, it doesn't do. All it does is saving the message as a draft.

 


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Em 27/12/2018 03:59, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I tried alt f-4 and found that it didn't work. Control enter is the right command.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

I wasn't sure if that was a Thunderbird command but it is.� I believe alt s works as well but others may want to say if it does.� If I used Thunderbird, I'd rather use alt s, if it works.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi, Gene,

�

The send command in thunderbird is control enter.

�

Rosemarie

�

�

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Since it�s a requirement for school, you are stuck for now.� At some point, if you don't have to use it, if you try a program like Thunderbird, or another standard e-mail program, you will find Thunderbird similar in terms of a lot of commands and many procedures.�You will also likely find other standard�e-mail programs to be similar.�

�

To reply to a message in the old Windows Live Mail program and in Thunderbird is control r.� To send a message is control s and there may be another command I never use and don't recall.

�

To start a new message is control n.� Those are just a few examples.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hello.

I�m actually using outlook for two reasons. First because it�s a requirement for school. And the other reason is simply that I�m very familiar with it. I�ve never actually used any other email programs on my computers except sometimes I use the Windows 10 mail app.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Do you have to use Outlook because of school requirements or are you just using it?� I've said before on various lists that by far, I see more complaints about Outlook than other popular e-mail programs among blind users and I would avoid using it if it were me, unless there were some reason I needed to do so.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

�

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

�

Hi,
Actually, for Outlook problem, it might not be the processor at all. There
was an issue discussed not long ago where if you open a certain message (or
messages formatted in certain way) in Outlook with NVDA running, Outlook
would crash. I'm thinking you may have encountered that one.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

Well just that this machine is slow sometimes.
I know of other people who have this exact same model and most of them say
the processor is slow and lags a bit. I don't have this problem on my other
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook is working again...

What information made you believe that the processor was the problem?

Antony.

On Wednesday 26 December 2018 at 04:07:44, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey guys.
>
> Outlook is working normally again, Temporarily. I think the issue has
> to do with� the processor on this machine.

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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene
 

And who always starts them and is constantly angry and rude in response to my rejoinders? 
 
If this is your last word on this topic, fine.  that's your decision.  You have not given good, well supported opinions demonstrating that what I've said about using the intended commands for their intended purposes is wrong.  If you wish to do so, fine.  If you wish to say that that's what you want to do in your own use, fine.  Do whatever you want in your own use.  If, however,  you are saying, as it appears you may be, that you would advocate that others follow this practice, then I disagree with you vehemently and I will say that on list.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene,

           You have been given feedback, multiple times on multiple topics by multiple people, about how you come across and you do not take any of that into account. Saying something like, "I'm sorry if it sounds to you like being dictatorial.  It isn't," is simply not borne out by your own history.

           As I said earlier, your opinion, contrary to your own opinion, is not the only opinion nor the right opinion in all cases.  People have different, and perfectly legitimate, ways of accomplishing the same tasks.

           I really do not need to be told by you how to use a generic link command, versus unvisited link command, versus visited link command.  I know and understand all three very well.  I also understand exactly what their intended purposes, note the plural, are and some of those do not comport with your personal opinion about what they are intended for.

           With this I'm done discussing this with you on this topic.  I'm sick of having unnecessary pissing matches with you.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Great! This is a very well-worded and thorough post.

Thanks for your expanded explanation. I appreciate how seriously you take matters, Gene. I mean it.


It's not a matter of what you say most of the time. I understand that you need to be brief, so things may come through harsher than you mean.


Sorry for pointing it out publicly. I should have written to you off-list.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/12/2018 23:46, Gene ha scritto:
Thank you for discussing the matter in a civil and civilized manner and for the compliments.
If you send me an example of how you think the message would be better written, I'll consider it.  I don't know if this matters in considering the question, but I was writing to you but also to anyone following the thread.  Perhaps I'll send the message as a moderator comment so that more people will see it. but I wanted to emphasize it.  It isn't just a matter of inconvenience, but these days, criminals purchase domains with slight spelling errors that someone might make when typing popular addresses.  If someone makes such an error, they may be taken to a malicious site that may try to infect the machine or try to convince the person to give personal information on the site, maybe by presenting a login page that looks like the real one.  But I consider this question of some importance.
Gene
----- original Messsage -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest version of NVDA and Firefox

Gene,


I've already corrected my message.


You may not be dictatorial (which I don't think you are), but sometimes
you do come through as a very intolerant and rough person to say the least.


Luckily, I've been around this group long enough to appreciate your
value as a person always ready to share knowledge and help.


We might need to check urls character by character, but I think you
should check the tone of your messages sometimes, before you send them
out...


With great respect and appreciation.

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 21:42, Gene ha scritto:
Will people please check addresses character by character before
sending a message if they write or dictate them and not paste them
from the address bar.  I see errors in addresses far to often on the
lists I follow when people type them.  This link is not correct.  A
dash was used before the com.  The address is:
www.perfect-english-grammar.com
<http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar.com>
I understand that we live in an era where people write however they
wish.  But when writing something where precision matters, a path
statement, a web site address, a mathematical formula, the time of an
event, it is necessary to check what is written.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] more and more unlabeled links with latest
version of NVDA and Firefox

I'm pleased to report that Seonaid Beckwith, creator and owner of the


www.perfect-english-grammar-com
<http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>


website, following my email, has solved the unlabelled links issue in
the paid section of her site.


Her site is great for learning English, and she's very sensitive to
accessibility, which makes it worth following.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/12/2018 19:54, Mallard ha scritto:
Hello Gne,


Answers to all your questions is Yes. Different browsers (Edge,
Firefox (several versions), Different computers.

Windows 10, Version 1803, but it started in 1703.


I wanted to send you pages, but they all require username and
password.


However, I've noticed that most of the time they are lists. For
example, in various sites the issue concerns lists of social media you
can share stuff on.


On another occasion, in


www.perfect-english-grammar-com
<http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com> <http://www.perfect-english-grammar-com>


under the paid section called PEG Plus, you have this problem within
the list of courses.


If I come across some site that has free access to something like
that, I'll post it.



By the way, I also tried to read the link name with Windows10 OCR, but
there was nothing to be read.


Ciao,

Ollie

ps: In the case of PEG Plus, I reported the issue to the owner of the
site.