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Re: Installing Windows 10

Jeffrey McFarland
 

What type of PC do you have? Different motherboards have different BIOS


On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 9:37 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@... wrote:

I want to install Windows 10 in desktop. I have selected pendrive in boot priority of bios. But, when I'm turning on computer it is booting through harddisk and turning on as usual. How to boot by pendrive? I used Rufus to create bootable pendrive and burn iso file.


Re: mariana islands

Brice Mijares
 

thanks for the info.

On 12/30/2018 6:46 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp.  So NVDA is interpreting for you.  Ugh!
I wonder if there is a setting to tell it not to interpret abbreviations.  there isn't in JAWS, and I wish there were.  I want to make the interpretation myself, thank you very much.  (LOL)
At 08:30 AM 12/30/2018, you wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?

2. Which language is it set to use?

3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you
have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output?


Antony.

On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list
of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!
--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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Re: mariana islands

Brice Mijares
 

, micro soft David, english I assume and it's random throughouta list of mp3's. Thanks.

On 12/30/2018 6:30 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?
2. Which language is it set to use?
3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you
have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output?
Antony.
On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list
of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!


Re: mariana islands

 

Hi,
This is mostly controlled by the synthesizer in question. You can actually
ask a given synthesizer voice to not interpret things for you (NVDA
menu/Preferences/Speech dictionaries/Voice dictionary).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mariana islands

According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp.
So NVDA is interpreting for you. Ugh!

I wonder if there is a setting to tell it not to interpret abbreviations.
there isn't in JAWS, and I wish there were. I want to make the
interpretation myself, thank you very much. (LOL) At 08:30 AM 12/30/2018,
you wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?

2. Which language is it set to use?

3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you
have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output?


Antony.

On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list
of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!
--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.


Re: mariana islands

Ann Byrne
 

According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp. So NVDA is interpreting for you. Ugh!

I wonder if there is a setting to tell it not to interpret abbreviations. there isn't in JAWS, and I wish there were. I want to make the interpretation myself, thank you very much. (LOL)

At 08:30 AM 12/30/2018, you wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?

2. Which language is it set to use?

3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you
have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output?


Antony.

On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list
of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!
--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Installing Windows 10

farhan israk
 

I want to install Windows 10 in desktop. I have selected pendrive in boot priority of bios. But, when I'm turning on computer it is booting through harddisk and turning on as usual. How to boot by pendrive? I used Rufus to create bootable pendrive and burn iso file.


Re: mariana islands

Antony Stone
 

1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?

2. Which language is it set to use?

3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you
have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output?


Antony.

On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list
of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!
--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


mariana islands

Brice Mijares
 

Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list of MP3's?
Like
11 Country road.mp3
Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!


Re: Issues with dropbox.

Gene
 

I wasn't surprised when I saw that it comes back.  You are still set to share the file.  If the person has problems removing the folder from being shared, I can experiment and find the exact procedure, keystroke by keystroke, to do this.  It is a waste of time and effort to pursue other solutions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox.

Not sure, but if the other users of the shared folder update it, it has a
nasty habit of coming back!
 I see dropbox have changed the setting of that pesky delete from all
devices window that opened behind all the others when you deleted a file, so
it assumes delete from all. Thank goodness for that.
 Oh and yes, my two machines bot still do not read any of the dropbox
dialogues.
 This issue has been there ever since Avast infected windows 7.
 It is gone of course but I guess this is collateral damage only a reinstall
of windows will fix so I'll live with it!
 I just need to get a sighted person in if I need to log in or change any
settings.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox.


> Why not remove the folder  from the dropbox folder on your hard drive.
> You will then be  removed  rom the share. I've done this for a while and
> it works well.
>
> On 29 Dec 2018, at 16:27, John Isige wrote:
>
>> Well just one issue really, so far.
>>
>>
>> I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want
>> to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign
>> into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder
>> name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into
>> dropbox.com, I click files.
>>
>>
>> I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more
>> actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but
>> if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the folder
>> in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to stop being
>> part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the share? This is
>> on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just installed it like 20
>> minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Issues with dropbox.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

For a while they did have a dodgy picture thing, but I believe its has been removed due to complaints, though somebody did say it asks you to tick a box if you are a human, but the actual words are a graphic. Maybe they are just playing about to see what the best way to stop hackers is. Not looked recently as no need.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox.


Actually, I do this all the time. I just click view, then sign in and
join and I'm in.

Take care

On 29 Dec 2018, at 17:07, Roger Stewart wrote:

The real problem with Dropbox isn't removing a shared folder--it is
trying to add someone who has asked you to share a folder. This used
to be very easy. You would just get an email saying XXX has asked to
share a folder with you on dropbox and there were just 2
options--accept or decline! Nothing could be easier. Now, it is
impossible for a blind person to accept an invite to a new dropbox
folder. This is because they now need you to solve a CAPTCHA to do
this and this is no longer accessible at least, not for now. Is
there a work around for this? They do ask you to check into your
dropbox, but I'm always checked in, so I can't do that.

Roger











On 12/29/2018 6:27 PM, John Isige wrote:
Well just one issue really, so far.


I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want
to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign
into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder
name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into
dropbox.com, I click files.


I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more
actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but
if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the
folder in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to
stop being part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the
share? This is on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just
installed it like 20 minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox.




.



Re: Issues with dropbox.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not sure, but if the other users of the shared folder update it, it has a nasty habit of coming back!
I see dropbox have changed the setting of that pesky delete from all devices window that opened behind all the others when you deleted a file, so it assumes delete from all. Thank goodness for that.
Oh and yes, my two machines bot still do not read any of the dropbox dialogues.
This issue has been there ever since Avast infected windows 7.
It is gone of course but I guess this is collateral damage only a reinstall of windows will fix so I'll live with it!
I just need to get a sighted person in if I need to log in or change any settings.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox.


Why not remove the folder from the dropbox folder on your hard drive.
You will then be removed rom the share. I've done this for a while and
it works well.

On 29 Dec 2018, at 16:27, John Isige wrote:

Well just one issue really, so far.


I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want
to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign
into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder
name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into
dropbox.com, I click files.


I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more
actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but
if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the folder
in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to stop being
part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the share? This is
on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just installed it like 20
minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox.




Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2

Darren Harris
 

It’s like a form of rapidfire. It’s like The buttons being pressed multiple times. But it does not behave that way when I do shift and tap. It works perfectly fine. In all other aspects, left shift work is totally fine.

On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:34, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:

There isn't one.
They all work individually, but what happens when you press nvda+left
shift+b?
It should say: shift + nvda + b, all in one string.

Also, are you using the US English keyboard layout in settings?
On 12/30/2018 12:29 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
So what would be our equivalent? Yes all the keys to work. I have used the keyboard help.
On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:23, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:

English doesn't use an IME, so that doesn't apply here.
As I said earlier, it's your keyboard. To prove this, either try an
external keyboard or input help and make sure all the keys register.
On 12/30/2018 12:14 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
What mode? I cant find it.


On 30 Dec 2018, at 01:28, 特種兵 <afreettears@gmail.com
<mailto:afreettears@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sorry for my os language is Chinese, so some key word is not correct.
You can try change your right shift key's setting.
1.press windows plus b go to system tray
2.use down arrow key until ime mode
3.press application key came up context menu
4.use down arrow key go to property and hit enter
5.press control plus tab change to processive tab
6.press down arrow key change left shift to right shift setting
7.press tab key and down arrow key change to none
8.use tab key until confirm button and hit enter to save change

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Darren Harris via Groups.Io 於 2018/12/29 4:24 寫道:

Greetings all,



For Christmas my partner bought me a gpd win 2 which actually I quite
like. it’s a windows 10 machine.



I’ve put the latest NVDA on it. It was a fresh download. I’ve
encountered a weird issue and I don’t quite know what to make of it.
With the NVDA key set to caps lock as there’s no insert key on the
unit, I can only get things like the battery percentages to work by
using the right shift key with NVDA. the left shift key does work
I’ve tested it. I can do capital letters with it I can also do tab
shift tab etc with it so I know the shift key itself is working so
that in itself isn’t the issue. I’ve also tried switching from laptop
to desktop layouts and switching back again it makes no difference.

If anybody has any ideas as to what this could be then I would indeed
be most greatful.







Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2

Tyler Spivey
 

There isn't one.
They all work individually, but what happens when you press nvda+left
shift+b?
It should say: shift + nvda + b, all in one string.

Also, are you using the US English keyboard layout in settings?

On 12/30/2018 12:29 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
So what would be our equivalent? Yes all the keys to work. I have used the keyboard help.
On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:23, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:

English doesn't use an IME, so that doesn't apply here.
As I said earlier, it's your keyboard. To prove this, either try an
external keyboard or input help and make sure all the keys register.
On 12/30/2018 12:14 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
What mode? I cant find it.


On 30 Dec 2018, at 01:28, 特種兵 <afreettears@gmail.com
<mailto:afreettears@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sorry for my os language is Chinese, so some key word is not correct.
You can try change your right shift key's setting.
1.press windows plus b go to system tray
2.use down arrow key until ime mode
3.press application key came up context menu
4.use down arrow key go to property and hit enter
5.press control plus tab change to processive tab
6.press down arrow key change left shift to right shift setting
7.press tab key and down arrow key change to none
8.use tab key until confirm button and hit enter to save change

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Darren Harris via Groups.Io 於 2018/12/29 4:24 寫道:

Greetings all,



For Christmas my partner bought me a gpd win 2 which actually I quite
like. it’s a windows 10 machine.



I’ve put the latest NVDA on it. It was a fresh download. I’ve
encountered a weird issue and I don’t quite know what to make of it.
With the NVDA key set to caps lock as there’s no insert key on the
unit, I can only get things like the battery percentages to work by
using the right shift key with NVDA. the left shift key does work
I’ve tested it. I can do capital letters with it I can also do tab
shift tab etc with it so I know the shift key itself is working so
that in itself isn’t the issue. I’ve also tried switching from laptop
to desktop layouts and switching back again it makes no difference.

If anybody has any ideas as to what this could be then I would indeed
be most greatful.





Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2

Darren Harris
 

So what would be our equivalent? Yes all the keys to work. I have used the keyboard help.

On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:23, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:

English doesn't use an IME, so that doesn't apply here.
As I said earlier, it's your keyboard. To prove this, either try an
external keyboard or input help and make sure all the keys register.
On 12/30/2018 12:14 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
What mode? I cant find it.


On 30 Dec 2018, at 01:28, 特種兵 <afreettears@gmail.com
<mailto:afreettears@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sorry for my os language is Chinese, so some key word is not correct.
You can try change your right shift key's setting.
1.press windows plus b go to system tray
2.use down arrow key until ime mode
3.press application key came up context menu
4.use down arrow key go to property and hit enter
5.press control plus tab change to processive tab
6.press down arrow key change left shift to right shift setting
7.press tab key and down arrow key change to none
8.use tab key until confirm button and hit enter to save change

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Darren Harris via Groups.Io 於 2018/12/29 4:24 寫道:

Greetings all,



For Christmas my partner bought me a gpd win 2 which actually I quite
like. it’s a windows 10 machine.



I’ve put the latest NVDA on it. It was a fresh download. I’ve
encountered a weird issue and I don’t quite know what to make of it.
With the NVDA key set to caps lock as there’s no insert key on the
unit, I can only get things like the battery percentages to work by
using the right shift key with NVDA. the left shift key does work
I’ve tested it. I can do capital letters with it I can also do tab
shift tab etc with it so I know the shift key itself is working so
that in itself isn’t the issue. I’ve also tried switching from laptop
to desktop layouts and switching back again it makes no difference.

If anybody has any ideas as to what this could be then I would indeed
be most greatful.



Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2

Tyler Spivey
 

English doesn't use an IME, so that doesn't apply here.
As I said earlier, it's your keyboard. To prove this, either try an
external keyboard or input help and make sure all the keys register.

On 12/30/2018 12:14 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
What mode? I cant find it.


On 30 Dec 2018, at 01:28, 特種兵 <afreettears@gmail.com
<mailto:afreettears@gmail.com>> wrote:


  Sorry for my os language is Chinese, so some key word is not correct.
  You can try change your right shift key's setting.
1.press windows plus b go to system tray
2.use down arrow key until ime mode
3.press application key came up context menu
4.use down arrow key go to property and hit enter
5.press control plus tab change to processive tab
6.press down arrow key change left shift to right shift setting
7.press tab key and down arrow key change to none
8.use tab key until confirm button and hit enter to save change

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Darren Harris via Groups.Io 於 2018/12/29 4:24 寫道:

Greetings all,

 

For Christmas my partner bought me a gpd win 2 which actually I quite
like. it’s a windows 10 machine.

 

I’ve put the latest NVDA on it. It was a fresh download. I’ve
encountered a weird issue and I don’t quite know what to make of it.
With the NVDA key set to caps lock as there’s no insert key on the
unit, I can only get things like the battery percentages to work by
using the right shift key with NVDA. the left shift key does work
I’ve tested it. I can do capital letters with it I can also do tab
shift tab etc with it so I know the shift key itself is working so
that in itself isn’t the issue. I’ve also tried switching from laptop
to desktop layouts and switching back again it makes no difference.

If anybody has any ideas as to what this could be then I would indeed
be most greatful.


Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2

Darren Harris
 

What mode? I cant find it.


On 30 Dec 2018, at 01:28, 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:


  Sorry for my os language is Chinese, so some key word is not correct.
  You can try change your right shift key's setting.
1.press windows plus b go to system tray
2.use down arrow key until ime mode
3.press application key came up context menu
4.use down arrow key go to property and hit enter
5.press control plus tab change to processive tab
6.press down arrow key change left shift to right shift setting
7.press tab key and down arrow key change to none
8.use tab key until confirm button and hit enter to save change

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Darren Harris via Groups.Io 於 2018/12/29 4:24 寫道:

Greetings all,

 

For Christmas my partner bought me a gpd win 2 which actually I quite like. it’s a windows 10 machine.

 

I’ve put the latest NVDA on it. It was a fresh download. I’ve encountered a weird issue and I don’t quite know what to make of it. With the NVDA key set to caps lock as there’s no insert key on the unit, I can only get things like the battery percentages to work by using the right shift key with NVDA. the left shift key does work I’ve tested it. I can do capital letters with it I can also do tab shift tab etc with it so I know the shift key itself is working so that in itself isn’t the issue. I’ve also tried switching from laptop to desktop layouts and switching back again it makes no difference.

If anybody has any ideas as to what this could be then I would indeed be most greatful.



Re: Issues with dropbox.

Gene
 

It isn't gone.  It isn't properly accessible but you can do it, using the desktop application.  I'd have to experiment to figure out the exact procedure again. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox.

Aparently you just delete the folder and it will go away.

but I havn't needed to do that in ages there used to be a procedure to
click a certain button but thats gone now.



On 12/30/2018 1:27 PM, John Isige wrote:
> Well just one issue really, so far.
>
>
> I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want
> to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign
> into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder
> name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into
> dropbox.com, I click files.
>
>
> I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more
> actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but
> if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the folder
> in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to stop being
> part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the share? This is
> on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just installed it like 20
> minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox.
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: NVDA going silent.

Gene
 

Nothing finds everything.  Others can recommend other programs you might try.  If you really want or need to go deeply into the question, a site like bleeping computers, where a lot of geeks hang out and help users, would give you help.  You may need sighted help to do some of what they discuss.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

I would have thought that malware bytes would have found anything.  I don’t know what else to do.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

This isn't  Google and it isn't Chrome.  It is adware on your machine.  Others, including me, have said that we don't get such popups.  Chrome is by far the most popular Windows browser at present.  it wouldn't be if it subjected people to what you are experiencing.

 

It doesn't matter where the popups say they come from.  Maybe the adware is trying to make the popups appear as though they come from Chrome to try to make them appear more credible or make people think they are being shown by the browser.  They are definitely not coming from Chrome.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 12:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I pulled the Firefox shortcut out of my rarely used folder and put it on the desktop.  The menus were there as was the quick start favorites bar.  I set it as default browser, and my home page.  That was easier than chrome or MS edge.  I haven’t seen any popups yet.  I’ll try it for a few days and see how it goes.  NVDA seems a bit more responsive than with other browsers but time will tell.   I wonder if google knows they are driving users away with their popups.  Each popup announced that it was from google chrome.  I don’t have popups from any other program.  I think the malware on my computer is google chrome.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

What you are describing regarding popups are all signs of adware.  Chrome has its own popup blocker and adware can show popups anyway.  If you install a popup blocker, adware can show popups. 

 

Firefox has menus.  If you pressed alt and no menus came up, the browser was set to full screen.  If a program has a full screen setting and its on, you can't bring up menus because the entire screen is used for the displayed content.  Sighted people wouldn't see menus either.  To put the program back to normal, press f11.  That is the standard key in Windows programs to toggle between full screen on and off.  Full screen isn't the same as maximizing a program.  You can maximize a program with no problems. 

 

As far as a bookmark bar is concerned, if you mean the one in Chrome you can get to with f6, there isn't one in Firefox.  But Firefox works very well with bookmarks.  Use control b and you will bring up a bookmarks menu very similar to that in internet Explorer.  There is also a very good search bookmarks feature in firefox.  I won't explain that in this message but I will if you want to try it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

Yes, we had a discussion about popups in Chrome and I set the option to no popups with no results.  I also installed a popup blocker but it didn’t do anything to solve the problem.  The last time I tried Firefox I couldn’t find any kind of menu navigation.  Without that I couldn’t set it as the default browser or import bookmarks.  Also I don’t think it has a favorites bar which I use all the time. 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before.  I think its adware.  I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.

 

If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox.  If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

It happened just now.  When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up.  I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on.  So there is another way to restore it.  The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer.  Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running.  You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech.  When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader.  Then try opening the NVDA menu.  Does the menu open?  If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running.  It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem.  If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

 

I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode.  I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode.  It's in it right now.  I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback.  Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.

Actually if you toggle it to sleep mode and turn off typing letters its actually able to work for you if you run long passages as long as you don't hit control



On 12/26/2018 2:47 PM, MAX wrote:
> I got a wry smile out of the recent thread from people who wanted to
> keep NVDA from speaking.  It does that all the time to me although I
> don't want it too. I have found that if I am running two or more
> programs in windows
> 10 that at some random time after starting the second program that
> NVDA will go silent.  No amount of tabbing or arrowing will cure its case of
> laryngitis.   So far the only way I can restore its voice is to press
> control alt N to restart it.  Is there a quicker way to start it
> talking again?
>
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Re: Sluggish user experience on Facebook

enes sarıbaş
 

hi David,

 I am using  a laptop with a forth generation i5 haswell processor, 8 gb of ram, and a samsung 850evo SSD. This is in no ways a bad system. But I frequently notice slowdowns on large websites. NVDA also uses up to 60% of the CPU sometimes. I wish NVDA would drop support for the legacy technologies, that cause this slowdown, and  support more modern technologies, such as pure 64 bit,  SSE2, and multithreading.

On 12/29/2018 2:42 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

I have a few comments I'd like to add to this thread.

First, I know that one of the reasons why the latency issues don't always plague me as much is that I usually disable character and word echo while typing. Silent keyboard entry means that I don't encounter latency issues, at least for that particular task.

I also suspect few people are sounding the alarm about this because, if I had to guess, few people may actually be running into serious latency issues. At work I have access to two separate laptops. Both of them have 16 GB of RAM and an I7 processor and I must say, in fairness to NVDA, that the latency issues I run into at home are almost nonexistent on those particular laptops. When compared to JAWS, I still notice a very slight difference but they are not significant enough to get in the way of typing, editing and reading text. This is true even in Word 2013 and Word 2016, where performance is certainly acceptable.

Where I notice the issues we're talking about are on my home Optiplex desktop. It's much slower compared to the laptops I use at work, with 8 GB of RAM and a dual core Athlon processor, 2.8 Ghz. I'll admit that when this PC was first made I believe it may have first come preinstalled with Windows Vista. When I bought it as a refurbished unit it had Windows 7. I added more RAM, an SSD and upgraded to Windows 10. Some might argue that maybe I should consider purchasing a new computer and, eventually, I'm sure that I will. However, when I use JAWS 2019 I notice that the latency I experience with NVDA is practically nonexistent. In no way do I mean to start an NVDA vs. JAWS debate on this list. That's not the purpose of my response. However, one of the things that I think should be a high priority with a screen reader is responsiveness and eliminating latency wherever possible. For most people on most machines NVDA is pretty good in this regard which, again, is probably why so few people are reporting issues. Being a small organization NV Access may have to choose to not prioritize on an issue which may only be affecting a small percentage of their users and this makes sense to me. However, I would respectfully counter that by saying that NV Access's goal is to put a high-quality screen reader into the hands of any blind person who needs one, regardless of their location and of the language that they speak. While many of us either have access to or can afford a new computer the fact is that many cannot and I am sure there are many consumers around the world who may need to use slightly older technology with their screen reader. I realize that we have to strike a reasonable balance here, which is why NVDA, as an example, no longer supports Windows XP. This makes sense to me. However, like Tony I wish that some refactoring could be done with the goal of improving the responsiveness of the speech, with the goal of making the experience more like JAWS, if not better.

Again, this is not meant to start a screen reader debate nor is it meant to trash NVDA in favor of JAWS. I would just like to see these latency issues addressed. However, to be fair a company isn't going to make such a massive development effort a priority if the perception is that this is not a problem for most or even nearly all of its users and I can also respect that.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 12/28/2018 12:32 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi Felix,
I'm on your side - I think sluggishness in NVDA is a problem, in fact
a big one, and I wish NVDA developers could do something about that.
Facebook is not the only web site that has these issues, I experience
the same problems on gmail and private web sites of company I work
for. I have to switch to JAWS to browse these sites every time just
because all these symptoms with NVDA are unbearable and makes these
web sites completely unusable.

I think another problem with these issues is that the majority of NVDA
users don't seem to be bothered by this issue, judging from reaction
on this list. I think that:

1. People's typing speed differs a lot. I tend to type very fast,
which probably exacerbates this issue for me. People who type slower
might not be that annoyed by this issue, as for example the focus is
sucked into edit boxes only when you're going through them quickly.
Felix, are you a quick typer as well?
2. Maybe people tend to stay away from these web sites that they
cannot figure out how to use. Since Facebook is glitching with NVDA,
blind people will have hard time to learn it and will use for example
twitter instead. It becomes a chicken and egg problem. NVDA devs won't
fix an issue that doesn't affect many users. And it won't affect many
users because the issue is there to begin with.
3. In my experience the severity of this problem depends on the
browser. Glitching in Google Chrome seems to be several times worse
that in Firefox.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts. I wish I could help convince
NVDA devs to have a closer look into this, but looking at github
issues, this problem has been known since at least 2012 so I think
it's unlikely it's going to be fixed any time soon. Unless we can find
enough people bothered by this and maybe like file a petition. If I
had more time, I might have tried to fix it myself, but unfortunatley
I don't have much spare time. So in the meantime - I'll have to switch
back and forth to Jaws.

Best
Tony



On 12/28/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello Enes and list,
sorry for my potentially confusing remark. I was not contrasting our
user experience with that of sighted users. Rather, I was implying
that some peculiarity of Facebook or the affected browsers might give
screen readers in general a hard time, and not just NVDA specifically.
So I did some testing, that is, I performed some comparative screen
reader theology, with the following results:
The late Window-Eyes, digital peace be upon it, occupies the slow end
of the speed scale combined with the high end of the accuracy scale.
You tend to get to wait quite some time for an answer, but when that
answer finally arrives, it is accurate to the degree of fully
supporting the weight of subsequent interactions.
JAWS seems to take quite the opposite approach, erring, when it does,
in favor of speed. There is the occasional unsolicited switch to focus
mode, as well as the occasional double-speaking of text, but the
snappy experience minimizes these frustrations.
NVDA currently takes what I call, from my perspective, the unfortunate
middle ground of this tradeoff. Applying this observation to Facebook,
it means that the experience is slow enough to feel sluggish, and just
unpredictable enough to feel nondeterministic as well. One can clearly
spot all the good intentions with which this particular road to hell
has been paved, so I wouldn't consider this proof that anything is
being consciously ignored, but the result, at least for me, combines
the worst of both worlds enough to make me switch screen readers when
using Facebook.
If, as Enes suggests, this observation applies to a broader category
of websites of which Facebook is just one prominent example, the
approach taken by NVDA in interacting with browsers deserves
reconsideration. Given the dynamic nature of todays's web, I strongly
suggest favoring speed over complete consistency. Selectively
decoupling focus from virtual cursor position, and re-coupling them on
demand, may be an effective first step in the right direction, as some
isolated speed cost when activating an element is allowable while a
permanent speed cost while navigating is clearly not.
All the best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 22:28 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@...>:
hi,

Yes, as sighted obviously do not have this problem, or we would've heard
more about by now.

On 12/27/2018 7:49 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
so you're certain it's an NVDA issue rather than a Facebook or browser
one?
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 27. Dez. 2018 um 20:43 Uhr schrieb enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@...>:
hi,

This is an NVDA issue which has existed for about a few centuries,
which
is also ignored by the devs. This happens not only in facebook, but in
many websites with dynamically changing content, or with dialogues,
for
instance, the Oxford scholarship online database my university
subscribes to. This has to do with the way NVDA interacts with the
browser, however a better way was not implemented.

On 12/27/2018 7:29 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi everyone,
is anyone else noticing that when arrowing or otherwise navigating
Facebook's standard view, the interface tends to slow down to a
crawl?
In addition, I am experiencing the virtual cursor randomly jumping
back a few lines, resulting in lines being read twice, and random
switches to focus mode.
Are there any known remedies, except of course switching to mobile
view, which is not even recommended to blind users by Facebook
itself?
All the best,
Felix




          


      


Re: Issues with dropbox.

 

Aparently you just delete the folder and it will go away.

but I havn't needed to do that in ages there used to be a procedure to click a certain button but thats gone now.

On 12/30/2018 1:27 PM, John Isige wrote:
Well just one issue really, so far.


I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into dropbox.com, I click files.


I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the folder in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to stop being part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the share? This is on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just installed it like 20 minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox.



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