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Re: NVDA going silent.
MAX <max@...>
We got sidetracked on chrome and lost the original thread. We established that nvda is still running but its voice has been silenced. I’m more interested in how to quickly restore speech as opposed to what’s causing it. However, if any of the developers want me to run an experiment to determine the cause I am willing to do it.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.
Nothing finds everything. Others can recommend other programs you might try. If you really want or need to go deeply into the question, a site like bleeping computers, where a lot of geeks hang out and help users, would give you help. You may need sighted help to do some of what they discuss.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I would have thought that malware bytes would have found anything. I don’t know what else to do.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
This isn't Google and it isn't Chrome. It is adware on your machine. Others, including me, have said that we don't get such popups. Chrome is by far the most popular Windows browser at present. it wouldn't be if it subjected people to what you are experiencing.
It doesn't matter where the popups say they come from. Maybe the adware is trying to make the popups appear as though they come from Chrome to try to make them appear more credible or make people think they are being shown by the browser. They are definitely not coming from Chrome.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I pulled the Firefox shortcut out of my rarely used folder and put it on the desktop. The menus were there as was the quick start favorites bar. I set it as default browser, and my home page. That was easier than chrome or MS edge. I haven’t seen any popups yet. I’ll try it for a few days and see how it goes. NVDA seems a bit more responsive than with other browsers but time will tell. I wonder if google knows they are driving users away with their popups. Each popup announced that it was from google chrome. I don’t have popups from any other program. I think the malware on my computer is google chrome.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
What you are describing regarding popups are all signs of adware. Chrome has its own popup blocker and adware can show popups anyway. If you install a popup blocker, adware can show popups.
Firefox has menus. If you pressed alt and no menus came up, the browser was set to full screen. If a program has a full screen setting and its on, you can't bring up menus because the entire screen is used for the displayed content. Sighted people wouldn't see menus either. To put the program back to normal, press f11. That is the standard key in Windows programs to toggle between full screen on and off. Full screen isn't the same as maximizing a program. You can maximize a program with no problems.
As far as a bookmark bar is concerned, if you mean the one in Chrome you can get to with f6, there isn't one in Firefox. But Firefox works very well with bookmarks. Use control b and you will bring up a bookmarks menu very similar to that in internet Explorer. There is also a very good search bookmarks feature in firefox. I won't explain that in this message but I will if you want to try it.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Yes, we had a discussion about popups in Chrome and I set the option to no popups with no results. I also installed a popup blocker but it didn’t do anything to solve the problem. The last time I tried Firefox I couldn’t find any kind of menu navigation. Without that I couldn’t set it as the default browser or import bookmarks. Also I don’t think it has a favorites bar which I use all the time.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before. I think its adware. I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox. If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
Gene ----- Original message -----
It happened just now. When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up. I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on. So there is another way to restore it. The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer. Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running. You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech. When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader. Then try opening the NVDA menu. Does the menu open? If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running. It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem. If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode. I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode. It's in it right now. I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback. Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.
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Re: NVDA going silent.
MAX <max@...>
Last night I did a search for add ware programs and found to my surprise that malware bytes offers an add ware eliminator. It appears not to be included in the main malware program. So I downloaded it and ran it. It found several items and removed them. Then I opened Chrome. The first thing I heard was New notification from google chrome. Drink a cup of this before going to bed and watch the pounds melt away. Someone is still trying to sell me snake oil and they are immune to add ware removers. I’m still happy with firefox and as long as I am I’m not going to waste anymore effort on chrome.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA going silent.
Nothing finds everything. Others can recommend other programs you might try. If you really want or need to go deeply into the question, a site like bleeping computers, where a lot of geeks hang out and help users, would give you help. You may need sighted help to do some of what they discuss.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I would have thought that malware bytes would have found anything. I don’t know what else to do.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
This isn't Google and it isn't Chrome. It is adware on your machine. Others, including me, have said that we don't get such popups. Chrome is by far the most popular Windows browser at present. it wouldn't be if it subjected people to what you are experiencing.
It doesn't matter where the popups say they come from. Maybe the adware is trying to make the popups appear as though they come from Chrome to try to make them appear more credible or make people think they are being shown by the browser. They are definitely not coming from Chrome.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I pulled the Firefox shortcut out of my rarely used folder and put it on the desktop. The menus were there as was the quick start favorites bar. I set it as default browser, and my home page. That was easier than chrome or MS edge. I haven’t seen any popups yet. I’ll try it for a few days and see how it goes. NVDA seems a bit more responsive than with other browsers but time will tell. I wonder if google knows they are driving users away with their popups. Each popup announced that it was from google chrome. I don’t have popups from any other program. I think the malware on my computer is google chrome.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
What you are describing regarding popups are all signs of adware. Chrome has its own popup blocker and adware can show popups anyway. If you install a popup blocker, adware can show popups.
Firefox has menus. If you pressed alt and no menus came up, the browser was set to full screen. If a program has a full screen setting and its on, you can't bring up menus because the entire screen is used for the displayed content. Sighted people wouldn't see menus either. To put the program back to normal, press f11. That is the standard key in Windows programs to toggle between full screen on and off. Full screen isn't the same as maximizing a program. You can maximize a program with no problems.
As far as a bookmark bar is concerned, if you mean the one in Chrome you can get to with f6, there isn't one in Firefox. But Firefox works very well with bookmarks. Use control b and you will bring up a bookmarks menu very similar to that in internet Explorer. There is also a very good search bookmarks feature in firefox. I won't explain that in this message but I will if you want to try it.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Yes, we had a discussion about popups in Chrome and I set the option to no popups with no results. I also installed a popup blocker but it didn’t do anything to solve the problem. The last time I tried Firefox I couldn’t find any kind of menu navigation. Without that I couldn’t set it as the default browser or import bookmarks. Also I don’t think it has a favorites bar which I use all the time.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I seem to recall we may have discussed popups with Chrome before. I think its adware. I don't recall hearing about what you are discussing in Chrome in cases other than adware.
If you don't want to investigate that problem, then it would be a good good idea to start using Firefox. If you can use Internet Explorer and if it works properly on the sites you want to use, you may want to just use it for now, but over time, Internet Explorer will work with increasingly fewer sites.
Gene ----- Original message -----
It happened just now. When I pressed nvda key + N the menu came up. I arrowed around the menu and speech came back on. So there is another way to restore it. The two programs I had running were outlook 2013 and internet explorer. Chrome has become unusable because of the popups Which are greater in number every time I open it.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
We don't know if there is a problem with speech or if the program stops running. You can't assume that just because speech stops, that the problem is with speech. When this happens, run Narrator or another screen-reader. Then try opening the NVDA menu. Does the menu open? If so, the problem has something to do with speech while NVDA is running. It may be a synthesizer problem or it may be an NVDA problem. If the menu doesn't open, then NVDA is no longer running which is an entirely different problem.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I don't understand what you mean by sleep mode. I turned off character speak using nvda key 2 but it didn't keep it from going into its silent mode. It's in it right now. I hope this message will make sense as I am not getting any beeping feedback. Or reading of lines as I up and down arrow.
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Re: Installing Windows 10
Chris
You usually have to press a key to initiate bootting from the pen drive regardless of the boot sequence
From: farhan israk
Sent: 30 December 2018 14:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Installing Windows 10
I want to install Windows 10 in desktop. I have selected pendrive in boot priority of bios. But, when I'm turning on computer it is booting through harddisk and turning on as usual. How to boot by pendrive? I used Rufus to create bootable pendrive and burn iso file.
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Re: mariana islands
Brice Mijares
Yes, I can add, but I just cancelled out.
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On 12/30/2018 8:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: mariana islands
Hi,
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You may need to add new entries (try pressing Alt+A for add). If that doesn't work, I will need to look at the log and find out what might be happening. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 8:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] mariana islands Joseph I went to menu/Preferences/Speech dictionaries/Voice dictionary). the first one says alt d for dictionary, then alt e to edit. neither of these key combinations work for me. Also tried space bar and enter. Any ideas why? thanks. On 12/30/2018 6:50 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
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Re: mariana islands
Brice Mijares
Joseph
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I went to menu/Preferences/Speech dictionaries/Voice dictionary). the first one says alt d for dictionary, then alt e to edit. neither of these key combinations work for me. Also tried space bar and enter. Any ideas why? thanks.
On 12/30/2018 6:50 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Installing Windows 10
Jeffrey McFarland
What type of PC do you have? Different motherboards have different BIOS
On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 9:37 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@... wrote:
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Re: mariana islands
Brice Mijares
thanks for the info.
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On 12/30/2018 6:46 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp. So NVDA is interpreting for you. Ugh!
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Re: mariana islands
Brice Mijares
, micro soft David, english I assume and it's random throughouta list of mp3's. Thanks.
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On 12/30/2018 6:30 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?
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Re: mariana islands
Hi,
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This is mostly controlled by the synthesizer in question. You can actually ask a given synthesizer voice to not interpret things for you (NVDA menu/Preferences/Speech dictionaries/Voice dictionary). Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 6:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] mariana islands According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp. So NVDA is interpreting for you. Ugh! I wonder if there is a setting to tell it not to interpret abbreviations. there isn't in JAWS, and I wish there were. I want to make the interpretation myself, thank you very much. (LOL) At 08:30 AM 12/30/2018, you wrote: 1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?list; please
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Re: mariana islands
Ann Byrne
According to Google, the abbreviation for Northern Mariana Islands is mp. So NVDA is interpreting for you. Ugh!
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I wonder if there is a setting to tell it not to interpret abbreviations. there isn't in JAWS, and I wish there were. I want to make the interpretation myself, thank you very much. (LOL)
At 08:30 AM 12/30/2018, you wrote:
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?
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Installing Windows 10
farhan israk
I want to install Windows 10 in desktop. I have selected pendrive in boot priority of bios. But, when I'm turning on computer it is booting through harddisk and turning on as usual. How to boot by pendrive? I used Rufus to create bootable pendrive and burn iso file.
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Re: mariana islands
Antony Stone
1. Which speech synthesiser are you using?
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2. Which language is it set to use? 3. Exactly what does NVDA say when you get it to read the example line you have quoted - where does "Mariana Islands" appear in the speech output? Antony.
On Sunday 30 December 2018 at 15:26:39, Brice Mijares wrote:
Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list --
A user interface is like a joke. If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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mariana islands
Brice Mijares
Why does NVDA echo Mariana Islands at times while going through a list of MP3's?
Like 11 Country road.mp3 Hopefully I'm not the only one hearing this!
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Re: Issues with dropbox.
Gene
I wasn't surprised when I saw that it comes
back. You are still set to share the file. If the person has
problems removing the folder from being shared, I can experiment and find the
exact procedure, keystroke by keystroke, to do this. It is a waste of time
and effort to pursue other solutions.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox. nasty habit of coming back! I see dropbox have changed the setting of that pesky delete from all devices window that opened behind all the others when you deleted a file, so it assumes delete from all. Thank goodness for that. Oh and yes, my two machines bot still do not read any of the dropbox dialogues. This issue has been there ever since Avast infected windows 7. It is gone of course but I guess this is collateral damage only a reinstall of windows will fix so I'll live with it! I just need to get a sighted person in if I need to log in or change any settings. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox. > Why not remove the folder from the dropbox folder on your hard drive. > You will then be removed rom the share. I've done this for a while and > it works well. > > On 29 Dec 2018, at 16:27, John Isige wrote: > >> Well just one issue really, so far. >> >> >> I have a shared folder foo that's not mine, I'm just a member. I want >> to remove myself from it to free up space. The web tells me to sign >> into dropbox.com, click files, and click "share" next to the folder >> name, then there's a dropdown where I can remove myself. I sign into >> dropbox.com, I click files. >> >> >> I see the folder, but all I see after it is a star button and a "more >> actions" menu. If I pick "more actions" share does show up there, but >> if I click on share, I just get a page with the contents of the folder >> in question. I don't see anything with my name or a way to stop being >> part of the share. So how do I stop being part of the share? This is >> on Windows 1809 64-bit, latest Dropbox, I just installed it like 20 >> minutes ago, NVDA 2018.4, latest Firefox. >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: Issues with dropbox.
Brian's Mail list account
For a while they did have a dodgy picture thing, but I believe its has been removed due to complaints, though somebody did say it asks you to tick a box if you are a human, but the actual words are a graphic. Maybe they are just playing about to see what the best way to stop hackers is. Not looked recently as no need.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox. Actually, I do this all the time. I just click view, then sign in and
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Re: Issues with dropbox.
Brian's Mail list account
Not sure, but if the other users of the shared folder update it, it has a nasty habit of coming back!
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I see dropbox have changed the setting of that pesky delete from all devices window that opened behind all the others when you deleted a file, so it assumes delete from all. Thank goodness for that. Oh and yes, my two machines bot still do not read any of the dropbox dialogues. This issue has been there ever since Avast infected windows 7. It is gone of course but I guess this is collateral damage only a reinstall of windows will fix so I'll live with it! I just need to get a sighted person in if I need to log in or change any settings. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with dropbox. Why not remove the folder from the dropbox folder on your hard drive.
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Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2
Darren Harris
It’s like a form of rapidfire. It’s like The buttons being pressed multiple times. But it does not behave that way when I do shift and tap. It works perfectly fine. In all other aspects, left shift work is totally fine.
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On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:34, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
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Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2
Tyler Spivey
There isn't one.
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They all work individually, but what happens when you press nvda+left shift+b? It should say: shift + nvda + b, all in one string. Also, are you using the US English keyboard layout in settings?
On 12/30/2018 12:29 AM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
So what would be our equivalent? Yes all the keys to work. I have used the keyboard help.On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:23, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
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Re: weird NVDA problem on my gpd win 2
Darren Harris
So what would be our equivalent? Yes all the keys to work. I have used the keyboard help.
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On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:23, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
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