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Re: NVDA and Battleship and Memory games
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Don't have a clue where to get the particular ones you asked for, but I have had a battleship game posted on my softcon pages for more than 10 years, and haven't received a single feedback message about it.
I also have a memory game I wrote for use with the raspberry pi, that I can easily repurpose for windoes and post on the site as well, it's as simple as recompiling the source code under windows, since it doesn't use any linux specific features. I'll get that done in the next day or two and post it up with the battleship game too. You can find the battleship game at: http://www.softcon.com/files/
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
I got the same thing, happy new year!
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 7:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :) Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
Annette Moore
It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)
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Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away
On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
Hi,
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That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm talking about. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email. This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or whatever well that was good. Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah. I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel. On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote: Hi Josephexact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it after upgrading to that version). material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.
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This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or whatever well that was good. Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah. I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.
On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Joseph
A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.
We are already 17 hours into the new year.
I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.
Gene nz
On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: NVDA elequence question
Kevin <kleeva5@...>
It expires and becomes unusable, however code factory is still in your NVDA prefs you must delete it manually.
E-mail is golden!!!
From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question
Hi all,
I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not sure about this.
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Re: Browse mode and focus
Sure, so I'm going to try Super Browser to see what it's like.
Taking the risk, of course, but it's all about experiments :)
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Thanks for the answer.
Cheers, Marcio Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) My WhatsApp Em 31/12/2018 22:32, Tony Malykh
escreveu:
This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way. SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems). On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:Hello Tony, Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old called Super Browser? I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheers, Marcio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where to find me: My Yahoo! email <mailto:marcinhorj21@...> Add me on Skype <skype:marcinhorj666?add> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> Ask me something on CuriousCat <https://curiouscat.me/firirinfonfon> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My WhatsApp <https://api.whatsapp.com/send?phone=5521981615268> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114 Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your permission either. --Tony On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons? This seems very useful. Take care On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:Tony, I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very grateful that you took the time to write and release this. Thank you for your service. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com> On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote: I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus events to the browser. Binary: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&reserved=0 Source and description: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&reserved=0 Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off. It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might become without these focus events being sent back and forth. On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote: Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have browse mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default. It is not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and understand exactly how it works. And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it automatically switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when you move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should not have this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Malykh Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws. On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...> wrote: Hi Felix, I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to. It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems like a complicated issue to fix. 1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new switch might come very handy. 2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus? Best Tony On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...> wrote: Just found a ticket on this problem: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&reserved=0 Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>: Hello Gene, exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object. The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle. I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very technical notion in Windows programming. Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>: I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are you talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others working with a blind person? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here. Brian bglists@...<mailto:bglists@...> Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@...<mailto:briang1@...>, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus Hello Marcio, I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are on the same page? Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>: Hello, You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N). Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow. ________________________________ Cheers, Marcio ________________________________ Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat ________________________________ Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) ________________________________ My WhatsApp ________________________________ Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu: Hello list, I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user. The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the browser. If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9). All the best, Felix
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Re: Browse mode and focus
Hi,
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There is one potential issue that may show up once a research project from a developer in Europe comes to NVDA. See my comment on that pull request for details. Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 4:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way. SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems). On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote: Hello Tony,
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Re: Browse mode and focus
Tony Malykh
This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
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NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way. SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).
On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Browse mode and focus
Hello Tony,
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Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old called Super Browser? I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it. Cheers, Marcio Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) My WhatsApp Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh
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I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114 Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your permission either. --Tony On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons? This seems very useful. Take care On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:Tony, I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very grateful that you took the time to write and release this. Thank you for your service. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com> On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote: I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus events to the browser. Binary: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&reserved=0 Source and description: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&reserved=0 Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off. It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might become without these focus events being sent back and forth. On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote: Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have browse mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default. It is not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and understand exactly how it works. And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it automatically switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when you move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should not have this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Malykh Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws. On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...> wrote: Hi Felix, I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to. It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems like a complicated issue to fix. 1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new switch might come very handy. 2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus? Best Tony On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...> wrote: Just found a ticket on this problem: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&reserved=0 Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>: Hello Gene, exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object. The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle. I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very technical notion in Windows programming. Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>: I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are you talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others working with a blind person? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here. Brian bglists@...<mailto:bglists@...> Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@...<mailto:briang1@...>, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus Hello Marcio, I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are on the same page? Best, Felix Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>: Hello, You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N). Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow. ________________________________ Cheers, Marcio ________________________________ Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat ________________________________ Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) ________________________________ My WhatsApp ________________________________ Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu: Hello list, I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user. The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the browser. If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9). All the best, Felix
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Re: Browse mode and focus
Tony Malykh
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
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NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114 Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your permission either. --Tony
On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
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Re: DISM and SFC with remote support add-on
George,
Even if the connection were to break down, since both of these utilities will either run to completion (more likely) or abort (less likely) and can run to completion unattended there's not an awful lot to worry about. Since they're both command line based, whether kicked off under Command Prompt or PowerShell, once they're going they typically just finish. I can never recall where each utility, respectively, stores its logs if they even store logs by default. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: DISM and SFC with remote support add-on
Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
I have never had issues but I would also do some reading first just to see if others have reported bugs on microsoft forums and such.
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From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@charter.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:25 PM Subject: [nvda] DISM and SFC with remote support add-on Has anyone run these utilities on a remote machine using the nvda remote support add-on?
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Re: Highbernating windows 10
Well I don't think having fast startup on a desktop is a good idea as such unless you need it.
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Its also safer to have the system startup properly sometimes it can to lead to interesting things. On the older box we have one of them, the user always hybernates his box. If its left in a certain state for to long things don't work well till you restart it. With units having flash drives you really don't need fast startup at all. If you needed the system on quickly, quicker than normal, well maybe. Or if you used a hard drive and such then sure I could see merrit in this. But There have been situations where I can turn on a system and its in a mangled state till I restart it or hard power it. Or reformat it because its stuck weirdly. Its easier if its not going to do that to me.
On 1/1/2019 8:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I would say that if you understand what fast startup does, its alright to have it on. Unless you understand it, you should have it off. Microsoft is getting too cute with this feature. Sleep should be sleep and hibernate should be hibernate. Fast shutdown really isn't a shutdown and calling something it isn't leads to confusion and improper understanding and misleading thinking. Shutdown is shutdown and that should be it. If Microsoft wants to promote sleep, then they should actively do so, but not by creating an almost identical feature and calling it something else to get people to use it and not understand what it is and what it does if not used properly.
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1
#addonrelease
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
If i remember right the last version of nvda to work with nvda for xp and vista was 2017.3
gene nz
On 31/12/2018 8:36 PM, Meet modi wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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DISM and SFC with remote support add-on
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
Has anyone run these utilities on a remote machine using the nvda remote support add-on?
If so, did you encounter any issues? I am concerned about losing control of the utilities in the event of an interrupted connection or incompatability issues between the remote support add-on and the DISM or SFC utilities. Thanks, George
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Re: Highbernating windows 10
David Moore
Yes! I keep my computers asleep by shutting the lid for three or four days. Then, I just do a restart! I have done that for years, and never had a problem. Actually, when I used to shut my computers off a lot, I had more problems, and the hard drive did not last as long! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 3:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Highbernating windows 10
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 02:40 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I disagree. When I'm "on the go" if it will be hours and hours before I fire up again I use Hibernate. If it will be within an hour or two I use Sleep, which wakes much faster than Fast Startup does. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: mariana islands
Shaun,
I believe that the packs are just that - packs. It's an all or nothing deal. That being said, I have never tried removing "part of a pack" either. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Installing Windows 10
molly the blind tech lover
Hi.
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Before I reinstalled windows 10 I was running an unstable insider build and wanted to go back to a stable version of Windows. I downloaded the media creation tool, intending to create an installation media on my flash drive. However, I was given the option to upgrade the pc to the stable version, When I did that, it replaced the insider build with build 17763. I never had to use the flash drive apparently. Make sure you back up your files before you reinstall, though.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing Windows 10 To be honest I'd never partition the system drive with 10 on it. In fact the first thing I have done is wipe the system drive and install 10 on it. Win10 eventually decided that my boot partition was full. There were several small and big partitions made for system and swap, a recovery partition and a diagnostics and something else. The cons of all this is that by just flat cleaning the entire structure you won't be able to access certain bios recovery features. On the other side we can't access them so its not a big loss and you can run the diagnostics of that at least on windows yourself after a fashion. If in doubt though I'd make a bios recovery in case you screwed things up or something during a reflash. If you happen to be in the middle of a lightning strike zone well you are done. If you must partition anything, I'd partition the secondary drive, since bar a few things windows will not load itself on to that drive at all. On 12/31/2018 8:45 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the issue is actually invoking it from the drive.
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